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Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Benjamin Hom
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"This is the McKean model decorated by Evergreen Roundhouse.
It's not exactly correct. If I were building this model NOW, I would use the Kadee pre-1950 PS-1."

Ken, I agree with Tim.  While the Evergreen Roundhouse line has some of the nicest UP factory lettering ever offered, I'd wait until the pre-1950 Kadee PS-1 comes out unless you have an absolute life-or-death immediate need for a Class B-50-40.  The PS-1 is such a ubiquitous prototype that there's surely another off-line car that fits your needs that is closer to the Intermountain model.


Ben Hom
Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Tim O'Connor
 


This is the McKean model decorated by Evergreen Roundhouse.

It's not exactly correct. If I were building this model NOW, I would use the Kadee pre-1950 PS-1.

Tim O'Connor



On 6/2/2019 11:53 PM, Richard Townsend via Groups.Io wrote:
Here's another alternative. Get rid of the cars you bought, and go on eBay and buy the McKean PS-1 cars that were decorated by Evergreen Roundhouse. They are B-50-40 cars and not too expensive. 

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Richard Townsend
 

Here's another alternative. Get rid of the cars you bought, and go on eBay and buy the McKean PS-1 cars that were decorated by Evergreen Roundhouse. They are B-50-40 cars and not too expensive. 

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Jun 2, 2019 3:06 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

I made a blooper bidding on some IM boxcar kits at an NMRA division meet. I wound up with 3 1957 built B-50-52 PS-1 cars instead of cars I could use built as is in my pre-1955 model era. The kits only cost me a total of $14 for the trio so not a great financial loss. I didn't realize how late they were until I got home and started some research. Relying on uphs.org/boxcars.htm, the only UP Pullman box cars built prior were the B-50-40 series from 1948. So the question is can these be backdated from a B-50-52 to a B-50-40 at least superficially?

I would need

  • Pullman 10/12 roofs to replace the kit 12/12 roof.
  • Superior 6 Panel Doors for a 10'6 car to replace the Pullman doors
  • Appropriate 1948-50 era decals
That would be enough for me. If it were an SP car these days I might be a little more fanatical. At least the roofs and doors are separate parts. I don't mind spending a few dollars to a little bashing to add some variety. 

The kits were old enough that they were marked "Manufactured in Colorado by Intermountain Tooling Specialist Inc."
 Your comments are always tolerated in spite of my thinning hair and skin.

KJA

Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Ed Hawkins
 


On Jun 2, 2019, at 5:06 PM, Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...> wrote:

I made a blooper bidding on some IM boxcar kits at an NMRA division meet. I wound up with 3 1957 built B-50-52 PS-1 cars instead of cars I could use built as is in my pre-1955 model era. The kits only cost me a total of $14 for the trio so not a great financial loss. I didn't realize how late they were until I got home and started some research. Relying on uphs.org/boxcars.htm, the only UP Pullman box cars built prior were the B-50-40 series from 1948. So the question is can these be backdated from a B-50-52 to a B-50-40 at least superficially?

I would need

  • Pullman 10/12 roofs to replace the kit 12/12 roof.
  • Superior 6 Panel Doors for a 10'6 car to replace the Pullman doors
  • Appropriate 1948-50 era decal

Ken,
There are a number of changes that could be made to back-date the model, however, the significant issue is the UP B-50-40 PS-1 box cars built in 1948 came with 6’ door openings while the B-50-52 cars built in 1957 came with 8’ door openings.

To fit your pre-1955 modeling period, there are 40’ PS-1 box cars for other railroads that could be modeled using the same body without changing any primary features. Cars built in 1954 were SL-SF 18050-18549 or USAX 26912-27231 in which only the doors would require substituting with Youngstown or Superior 6-panel, respectively. 

In case you’re not aware, Kadee has announced the UP B-50-40 box car, which is planned for release in September 2019. Kadee is accepting advance reservations on their web site. Hope this helps. 

Regards,
Ed Hawkins
Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Richard Townsend
 

Microscale 87-494 decals


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Townsend via Groups.Io <richtownsend@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Jun 2, 2019 3:30 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

I don't know how much this will help, but you can get the 10/12 roofs from the old McKean PS-1 kits. You would have to cut them off as they are molded integrally with the sides and ends (I have some McKean kits if you want to buy some cheap). The 6' doors of the B-50-40 were 7 panel, not six panel. Such doors are available, including from Kadee, which should be perfect. My ignorance of B-50-40 decals is comprehensive, so help in that regard will have to come from others.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Jun 2, 2019 3:06 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

I made a blooper bidding on some IM boxcar kits at an NMRA division meet. I wound up with 3 1957 built B-50-52 PS-1 cars instead of cars I could use built as is in my pre-1955 model era. The kits only cost me a total of $14 for the trio so not a great financial loss. I didn't realize how late they were until I got home and started some research. Relying on uphs.org/boxcars.htm, the only UP Pullman box cars built prior were the B-50-40 series from 1948. So the question is can these be backdated from a B-50-52 to a B-50-40 at least superficially?

I would need

  • Pullman 10/12 roofs to replace the kit 12/12 roof.
  • Superior 6 Panel Doors for a 10'6 car to replace the Pullman doors
  • Appropriate 1948-50 era decals
That would be enough for me. If it were an SP car these days I might be a little more fanatical. At least the roofs and doors are separate parts. I don't mind spending a few dollars to a little bashing to add some variety. 

The kits were old enough that they were marked "Manufactured in Colorado by Intermountain Tooling Specialist Inc."
 Your comments are always tolerated in spite of my thinning hair and skin.

KJA

Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Richard Townsend
 

I don't know how much this will help, but you can get the 10/12 roofs from the old McKean PS-1 kits. You would have to cut them off as they are molded integrally with the sides and ends (I have some McKean kits if you want to buy some cheap). The 6' doors of the B-50-40 were 7 panel, not six panel. Such doors are available, including from Kadee, which should be perfect. My ignorance of B-50-40 decals is comprehensive, so help in that regard will have to come from others.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Jun 2, 2019 3:06 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

I made a blooper bidding on some IM boxcar kits at an NMRA division meet. I wound up with 3 1957 built B-50-52 PS-1 cars instead of cars I could use built as is in my pre-1955 model era. The kits only cost me a total of $14 for the trio so not a great financial loss. I didn't realize how late they were until I got home and started some research. Relying on uphs.org/boxcars.htm, the only UP Pullman box cars built prior were the B-50-40 series from 1948. So the question is can these be backdated from a B-50-52 to a B-50-40 at least superficially?

I would need

  • Pullman 10/12 roofs to replace the kit 12/12 roof.
  • Superior 6 Panel Doors for a 10'6 car to replace the Pullman doors
  • Appropriate 1948-50 era decals
That would be enough for me. If it were an SP car these days I might be a little more fanatical. At least the roofs and doors are separate parts. I don't mind spending a few dollars to a little bashing to add some variety. 

The kits were old enough that they were marked "Manufactured in Colorado by Intermountain Tooling Specialist Inc."
 Your comments are always tolerated in spite of my thinning hair and skin.

KJA

UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Ken Adams
 

I made a blooper bidding on some IM boxcar kits at an NMRA division meet. I wound up with 3 1957 built B-50-52 PS-1 cars instead of cars I could use built as is in my pre-1955 model era. The kits only cost me a total of $14 for the trio so not a great financial loss. I didn't realize how late they were until I got home and started some research. Relying on uphs.org/boxcars.htm, the only UP Pullman box cars built prior were the B-50-40 series from 1948. So the question is can these be backdated from a B-50-52 to a B-50-40 at least superficially?

I would need

  • Pullman 10/12 roofs to replace the kit 12/12 roof.
  • Superior 6 Panel Doors for a 10'6 car to replace the Pullman doors
  • Appropriate 1948-50 era decals
That would be enough for me. If it were an SP car these days I might be a little more fanatical. At least the roofs and doors are separate parts. I don't mind spending a few dollars to a little bashing to add some variety. 

The kits were old enough that they were marked "Manufactured in Colorado by Intermountain Tooling Specialist Inc."
 Your comments are always tolerated in spite of my thinning hair and skin.

KJA
Help please

Paul Doggett
 

Hi

I am building a Westerfield kit of a Milwaukee Road USRA boxcar I have fitted AB brakes the question is did the Milwaukee add power handbrakes if so what sort ? Or did they keep the original handbrake.

Thank you
Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
Re: Photos: Gondola & Boxcar

Rich C
 

The gon is ex El Paso & South Western. They were not an SP subsidiary, just merged into the SP in 1924.

Rich Christie
Photos: Gondola & Boxcar

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: SP Gondola 45780 (Partial)

http://www.asu.edu/lib/archives/digital-collections/AZSI/full/CP_MCLMB_A656A.JPG

Caption: Train Yard at Copper Mine; Ray, Arizona, circa 1935

Photo: PRR X25 Boxcar 83755

http://www.brodheadhistory.org/bhsimages/images/2621.jpg

Caption: Pickle barrels are waiting to be loaded on to train cars at Colony Foods in Brodhead, Wisconsin, 1947.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Re: (Not A Freight Car) Slanted Loading Dock

Schleigh Mike
 

Hello Group!

I think I walked on that platform fewer years back than Garth and stepped inside the building to see the display therein.  The platform was not sloped.

Regards----Mike Schleigh usually in Grove City, Penna.

On Thursday, May 30, 2019, 4:45:32 PM EDT, Garth Groff <sarahsan@...> wrote:


Dennis,
I don't have the complete building, but here are two partial views from about 15 years ago (with their NATX tank car for group content). The dock appears flat as a piece of paper.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff



On 5/30/19 2:34 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 06:17 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielack-photo/erielack-05-26-19/X6994.jpg

Well that photo certainly makes clear the amount of pitch of the loading dock. Look at the piles of boxes on the dock, and how out of plumb they are sitting.

Now that we can see the whole arrangement, I wonder if that isn't the oil house for the whole facility. Back in those days the philosophy was drainage rather than spill containment, and that pitch would certainly have any spills draining out onto the ground rather than pooling on the floor. Steamtown National Historic Site in Scranton has preserved a DL&W oil house that they use as a book store; it's one of the few original buildings on the site. I recall it has a loading dock, but I don't recall the pitch of the floor, nor can I find a photo of it.

Dennis Storzek 

Re: Union Refrigerator Transit Lines URTX 87292

Paul Doggett
 

Looking really nice Lester.

Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 1 Jun 2019, at 12:42, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

I have finished a Branchline Trains wood Union Refrigerator Transit Lines ventilated Refrigerator URTX 87292.  On the car I installed a AB brake system replacing the K system in the kit along with other upgrades.  If you are interested, photos and writeup of building and finishing URTX 87292 are now on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company (M&N).  If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer

Attachments:
Union Refrigerator Transit Lines URTX 87292

Lester Breuer
 

I have finished a Branchline Trains wood Union Refrigerator Transit Lines ventilated Refrigerator URTX 87292.  On the car I installed a AB brake system replacing the K system in the kit along with other upgrades.  If you are interested, photos and writeup of building and finishing URTX 87292 are now on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company (M&N).  If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer
Re: K BraKE QUESTION

Dave Nelson
 

Thank you Guy, that's exactly what I was looking for.

FWIW in rail sims one does need to provide the correct data so the software can calculate the amount of brake force applied to the wheel rim on a speed curve. It's all rather different than working w/ HO models, especially when you cannot find the correct answer.

Thanks again!

Dave Nelson.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Guy Wilber via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 3:02 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] K BraKE QUESTION

Dave Nelson asked: “I’m trying to find out what the air volume was for a typical KC brake reservoir?”

Dave,

1929 ARA Standards (attached).

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada
Re: K BraKE QUESTION

Randy Hees
 

K (and the predecessor H) brakes came in several sizes (K-1 through K-4)...   K-1 being the smallest...  They will have different sizes of cylinders (pistons) and reservoirs.  This is independent of KC (K connected) or KD (K disconnected) which use the same size cylinders and reservoirs for each size... 

Randy Hees
Rapido USRA 40-ton Boxcar

Bill Welch
 

Reporting from the NERPM, Rapido displaying USRA double sheathed boxcar. Also spotted four different boxcar red gloss paints in their line of paints.

-30-

Bill Welch
Re: K BraKE QUESTION

Guy Wilber
 

Dave Nelson asked: “I’m trying to find out what the air volume was for a typical KC brake reservoir?”

Dave,

1929 ARA Standards (attached).

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada
K BraKE QUESTION

Dave Nelson
 

I’m trying to find out what the air volume was for a typical KC brake reservoir.  Anyone know?

 

Dave Nelson
Re: (Not A Freight Car) Slanted Loading Dock

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Dennis,
I don't have the complete building, but here are two partial views from about 15 years ago (with their NATX tank car for group content). The dock appears flat as a piece of paper.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff



On 5/30/19 2:34 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 06:17 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielack-photo/erielack-05-26-19/X6994.jpg

Well that photo certainly makes clear the amount of pitch of the loading dock. Look at the piles of boxes on the dock, and how out of plumb they are sitting.

Now that we can see the whole arrangement, I wonder if that isn't the oil house for the whole facility. Back in those days the philosophy was drainage rather than spill containment, and that pitch would certainly have any spills draining out onto the ground rather than pooling on the floor. Steamtown National Historic Site in Scranton has preserved a DL&W oil house that they use as a book store; it's one of the few original buildings on the site. I recall it has a loading dock, but I don't recall the pitch of the floor, nor can I find a photo of it.

Dennis Storzek 

Re: (Not A Freight Car) Slanted Loading Dock

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

I hesitated to mention it, but since we’re still commenting on the photo, the caption says
“Site” of inspection facility, not inspection facility.   This infers that the photo was likely taken before demolition of existing buildings and construction of new inspection building started.

However, I would hate to have to roll a dolly or handtruck of material out of a car and up that slope to the floor of the building….controlling it on the dock would be fun as well!!!

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 1:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] (Not A Freight Car) Slanted Loading Dock

 

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 06:17 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielack-photo/erielack-05-26-19/X6994.jpg

Well that photo certainly makes clear the amount of pitch of the loading dock. Look at the piles of boxes on the dock, and how out of plumb they are sitting.

Now that we can see the whole arrangement, I wonder if that isn't the oil house for the whole facility. Back in those days the philosophy was drainage rather than spill containment, and that pitch would certainly have any spills draining out onto the ground rather than pooling on the floor. Steamtown National Historic Site in Scranton has preserved a DL&W oil house that they use as a book store; it's one of the few original buildings on the site. I recall it has a loading dock, but I don't recall the pitch of the floor, nor can I find a photo of it.

Dennis Storzek 

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