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Re: PRR AAR 65 foot gondola

Todd Sullivan
 

G33?  Blt in or before 1948 and has all full height ribs.

The G26 and G26a had shorter ribs on the side (same length) except for 2 each side where the diagonal part fo the side sheet straightens out at the bottom.

Todd Sullivan.

Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Richard Townsend
 

Which is why I suggested the Evergreen Roundhouse car. Right roof, good graphics, for a car the OP said didn't need to be exact. YMMV. These were just suggested options. If I didn't already have three of the Evergreen Roundhouse cars I would get the Kadee car myself, but I do so I won't.

And just to be clear, the photo posted of the Evergreen B-50-40 is of one paint scheme, but it also came with the earlier scheme. Also, the roof hatches on that car were an option suggested in one of the kits. Both schemes are shown in this eBay listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-McKean-Evergreen-Roundhouse-HO-40-PS-1-Boxcar-Kit-Union-Pacific-NEW-TRUCKS/333213295470?hash=item4d950f636e:g:qsIAAOSwHDlc68~p

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Jun 3, 2019 8:50 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Richard Townshend wrote:
"True enough, but at three times the price."

...and a lot less rework required.  When you start bringing up hacking roofs off of other carbodies (frankly, it's just easier removing the corrugations), the point of diminishing returns comes up on you pretty quick. 


Ben Hom

Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Benjamin Hom
 

Richard Townshend wrote:
"True enough, but at three times the price."

...and a lot less rework required.  When you start bringing up hacking roofs off of other carbodies (frankly, it's just easier removing the corrugations), the point of diminishing returns comes up on you pretty quick. 


Ben Hom

Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Richard Townsend
 

True enough, but at three times the price.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Jun 3, 2019 6:27 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"This is the McKean model decorated by Evergreen Roundhouse.
It's not exactly correct. If I were building this model NOW, I would use the Kadee pre-1950 PS-1."

Ken, I agree with Tim.  While the Evergreen Roundhouse line has some of the nicest UP factory lettering ever offered, I'd wait until the pre-1950 Kadee PS-1 comes out unless you have an absolute life-or-death immediate need for a Class B-50-40.  The PS-1 is such a ubiquitous prototype that there's surely another off-line car that fits your needs that is closer to the Intermountain model.


Ben Hom

Re: PRR AAR 65 foot gondola

Brian Carlson
 

G26 or 26a can’t tell based on the small pic on my phone. They are similar but different to the AAR. Sides stakes is the most obvious difference. 

On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:09 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


This surprised me - I didn't think PRR owned any AAR 65 foot gondolas.

Anyone have builder/class data?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/66415287@N02/47970166157/

Tim O'Connor



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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*



PRR AAR 65 foot gondola

Tim O'Connor
 

This surprised me - I didn't think PRR owned any AAR 65 foot gondolas.

Anyone have builder/class data?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/66415287@N02/47970166157/

Tim O'Connor



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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Re: Photos: Gondola & Boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 


While technically true, the SP wasted no time in erasing EP&SW reporting marks.



On 6/3/2019 10:09 AM, Eric Hansmann wrote:

While the gon is a former EP&SW car, the El Paso & Southwestern company was not merged into the SP until 1955. The SP leased the line starting November 1, 1924, but a formal merging was not until 29 years later.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rich C via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 11:02 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Gondola & Boxcar

 

The gon is ex El Paso & South Western. They were not an SP subsidiary, just merged into the SP in 1924.

 

Rich Christie



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Photos: Gondola & Boxcar

Eric Hansmann
 

While the gon is a former EP&SW car, the El Paso & Southwestern company was not merged into the SP until 1955. The SP leased the line starting November 1, 1924, but a formal merging was not until 29 years later.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rich C via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 11:02 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Gondola & Boxcar

 

The gon is ex El Paso & South Western. They were not an SP subsidiary, just merged into the SP in 1924.

 

Rich Christie

Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Benjamin Hom
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"This is the McKean model decorated by Evergreen Roundhouse.
It's not exactly correct. If I were building this model NOW, I would use the Kadee pre-1950 PS-1."

Ken, I agree with Tim.  While the Evergreen Roundhouse line has some of the nicest UP factory lettering ever offered, I'd wait until the pre-1950 Kadee PS-1 comes out unless you have an absolute life-or-death immediate need for a Class B-50-40.  The PS-1 is such a ubiquitous prototype that there's surely another off-line car that fits your needs that is closer to the Intermountain model.


Ben Hom

Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Tim O'Connor
 


This is the McKean model decorated by Evergreen Roundhouse.

It's not exactly correct. If I were building this model NOW, I would use the Kadee pre-1950 PS-1.

Tim O'Connor



On 6/2/2019 11:53 PM, Richard Townsend via Groups.Io wrote:
Here's another alternative. Get rid of the cars you bought, and go on eBay and buy the McKean PS-1 cars that were decorated by Evergreen Roundhouse. They are B-50-40 cars and not too expensive. 

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Richard Townsend
 

Here's another alternative. Get rid of the cars you bought, and go on eBay and buy the McKean PS-1 cars that were decorated by Evergreen Roundhouse. They are B-50-40 cars and not too expensive. 

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Jun 2, 2019 3:06 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

I made a blooper bidding on some IM boxcar kits at an NMRA division meet. I wound up with 3 1957 built B-50-52 PS-1 cars instead of cars I could use built as is in my pre-1955 model era. The kits only cost me a total of $14 for the trio so not a great financial loss. I didn't realize how late they were until I got home and started some research. Relying on uphs.org/boxcars.htm, the only UP Pullman box cars built prior were the B-50-40 series from 1948. So the question is can these be backdated from a B-50-52 to a B-50-40 at least superficially?

I would need

  • Pullman 10/12 roofs to replace the kit 12/12 roof.
  • Superior 6 Panel Doors for a 10'6 car to replace the Pullman doors
  • Appropriate 1948-50 era decals
That would be enough for me. If it were an SP car these days I might be a little more fanatical. At least the roofs and doors are separate parts. I don't mind spending a few dollars to a little bashing to add some variety. 

The kits were old enough that they were marked "Manufactured in Colorado by Intermountain Tooling Specialist Inc."
 Your comments are always tolerated in spite of my thinning hair and skin.

KJA

Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Ed Hawkins
 


On Jun 2, 2019, at 5:06 PM, Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...> wrote:

I made a blooper bidding on some IM boxcar kits at an NMRA division meet. I wound up with 3 1957 built B-50-52 PS-1 cars instead of cars I could use built as is in my pre-1955 model era. The kits only cost me a total of $14 for the trio so not a great financial loss. I didn't realize how late they were until I got home and started some research. Relying on uphs.org/boxcars.htm, the only UP Pullman box cars built prior were the B-50-40 series from 1948. So the question is can these be backdated from a B-50-52 to a B-50-40 at least superficially?

I would need

  • Pullman 10/12 roofs to replace the kit 12/12 roof.
  • Superior 6 Panel Doors for a 10'6 car to replace the Pullman doors
  • Appropriate 1948-50 era decal

Ken,
There are a number of changes that could be made to back-date the model, however, the significant issue is the UP B-50-40 PS-1 box cars built in 1948 came with 6’ door openings while the B-50-52 cars built in 1957 came with 8’ door openings.

To fit your pre-1955 modeling period, there are 40’ PS-1 box cars for other railroads that could be modeled using the same body without changing any primary features. Cars built in 1954 were SL-SF 18050-18549 or USAX 26912-27231 in which only the doors would require substituting with Youngstown or Superior 6-panel, respectively. 

In case you’re not aware, Kadee has announced the UP B-50-40 box car, which is planned for release in September 2019. Kadee is accepting advance reservations on their web site. Hope this helps. 

Regards,
Ed Hawkins






Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Richard Townsend
 

Microscale 87-494 decals


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Townsend via Groups.Io <richtownsend@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Jun 2, 2019 3:30 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

I don't know how much this will help, but you can get the 10/12 roofs from the old McKean PS-1 kits. You would have to cut them off as they are molded integrally with the sides and ends (I have some McKean kits if you want to buy some cheap). The 6' doors of the B-50-40 were 7 panel, not six panel. Such doors are available, including from Kadee, which should be perfect. My ignorance of B-50-40 decals is comprehensive, so help in that regard will have to come from others.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Jun 2, 2019 3:06 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

I made a blooper bidding on some IM boxcar kits at an NMRA division meet. I wound up with 3 1957 built B-50-52 PS-1 cars instead of cars I could use built as is in my pre-1955 model era. The kits only cost me a total of $14 for the trio so not a great financial loss. I didn't realize how late they were until I got home and started some research. Relying on uphs.org/boxcars.htm, the only UP Pullman box cars built prior were the B-50-40 series from 1948. So the question is can these be backdated from a B-50-52 to a B-50-40 at least superficially?

I would need

  • Pullman 10/12 roofs to replace the kit 12/12 roof.
  • Superior 6 Panel Doors for a 10'6 car to replace the Pullman doors
  • Appropriate 1948-50 era decals
That would be enough for me. If it were an SP car these days I might be a little more fanatical. At least the roofs and doors are separate parts. I don't mind spending a few dollars to a little bashing to add some variety. 

The kits were old enough that they were marked "Manufactured in Colorado by Intermountain Tooling Specialist Inc."
 Your comments are always tolerated in spite of my thinning hair and skin.

KJA

Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Richard Townsend
 

I don't know how much this will help, but you can get the 10/12 roofs from the old McKean PS-1 kits. You would have to cut them off as they are molded integrally with the sides and ends (I have some McKean kits if you want to buy some cheap). The 6' doors of the B-50-40 were 7 panel, not six panel. Such doors are available, including from Kadee, which should be perfect. My ignorance of B-50-40 decals is comprehensive, so help in that regard will have to come from others.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Jun 2, 2019 3:06 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

I made a blooper bidding on some IM boxcar kits at an NMRA division meet. I wound up with 3 1957 built B-50-52 PS-1 cars instead of cars I could use built as is in my pre-1955 model era. The kits only cost me a total of $14 for the trio so not a great financial loss. I didn't realize how late they were until I got home and started some research. Relying on uphs.org/boxcars.htm, the only UP Pullman box cars built prior were the B-50-40 series from 1948. So the question is can these be backdated from a B-50-52 to a B-50-40 at least superficially?

I would need

  • Pullman 10/12 roofs to replace the kit 12/12 roof.
  • Superior 6 Panel Doors for a 10'6 car to replace the Pullman doors
  • Appropriate 1948-50 era decals
That would be enough for me. If it were an SP car these days I might be a little more fanatical. At least the roofs and doors are separate parts. I don't mind spending a few dollars to a little bashing to add some variety. 

The kits were old enough that they were marked "Manufactured in Colorado by Intermountain Tooling Specialist Inc."
 Your comments are always tolerated in spite of my thinning hair and skin.

KJA

UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Ken Adams
 

I made a blooper bidding on some IM boxcar kits at an NMRA division meet. I wound up with 3 1957 built B-50-52 PS-1 cars instead of cars I could use built as is in my pre-1955 model era. The kits only cost me a total of $14 for the trio so not a great financial loss. I didn't realize how late they were until I got home and started some research. Relying on uphs.org/boxcars.htm, the only UP Pullman box cars built prior were the B-50-40 series from 1948. So the question is can these be backdated from a B-50-52 to a B-50-40 at least superficially?

I would need

  • Pullman 10/12 roofs to replace the kit 12/12 roof.
  • Superior 6 Panel Doors for a 10'6 car to replace the Pullman doors
  • Appropriate 1948-50 era decals
That would be enough for me. If it were an SP car these days I might be a little more fanatical. At least the roofs and doors are separate parts. I don't mind spending a few dollars to a little bashing to add some variety. 

The kits were old enough that they were marked "Manufactured in Colorado by Intermountain Tooling Specialist Inc."
 Your comments are always tolerated in spite of my thinning hair and skin.

KJA

Help please

Paul Doggett
 

Hi

I am building a Westerfield kit of a Milwaukee Road USRA boxcar I have fitted AB brakes the question is did the Milwaukee add power handbrakes if so what sort ? Or did they keep the original handbrake.

Thank you
Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Re: Photos: Gondola & Boxcar

Rich C
 

The gon is ex El Paso & South Western. They were not an SP subsidiary, just merged into the SP in 1924.

Rich Christie

Photos: Gondola & Boxcar

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: SP Gondola 45780 (Partial)

http://www.asu.edu/lib/archives/digital-collections/AZSI/full/CP_MCLMB_A656A.JPG

Caption: Train Yard at Copper Mine; Ray, Arizona, circa 1935

Photo: PRR X25 Boxcar 83755

http://www.brodheadhistory.org/bhsimages/images/2621.jpg

Caption: Pickle barrels are waiting to be loaded on to train cars at Colony Foods in Brodhead, Wisconsin, 1947.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: (Not A Freight Car) Slanted Loading Dock

Schleigh Mike
 

Hello Group!

I think I walked on that platform fewer years back than Garth and stepped inside the building to see the display therein.  The platform was not sloped.

Regards----Mike Schleigh usually in Grove City, Penna.

On Thursday, May 30, 2019, 4:45:32 PM EDT, Garth Groff <sarahsan@...> wrote:


Dennis,
I don't have the complete building, but here are two partial views from about 15 years ago (with their NATX tank car for group content). The dock appears flat as a piece of paper.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff



On 5/30/19 2:34 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 06:17 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielack-photo/erielack-05-26-19/X6994.jpg

Well that photo certainly makes clear the amount of pitch of the loading dock. Look at the piles of boxes on the dock, and how out of plumb they are sitting.

Now that we can see the whole arrangement, I wonder if that isn't the oil house for the whole facility. Back in those days the philosophy was drainage rather than spill containment, and that pitch would certainly have any spills draining out onto the ground rather than pooling on the floor. Steamtown National Historic Site in Scranton has preserved a DL&W oil house that they use as a book store; it's one of the few original buildings on the site. I recall it has a loading dock, but I don't recall the pitch of the floor, nor can I find a photo of it.

Dennis Storzek 

Re: Union Refrigerator Transit Lines URTX 87292

Paul Doggett
 

Looking really nice Lester.

Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 1 Jun 2019, at 12:42, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

I have finished a Branchline Trains wood Union Refrigerator Transit Lines ventilated Refrigerator URTX 87292.  On the car I installed a AB brake system replacing the K system in the kit along with other upgrades.  If you are interested, photos and writeup of building and finishing URTX 87292 are now on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company (M&N).  If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer

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