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Re: Rapido USRA 40-ton Boxcar

Michael Gross
 

Yes, and will be curious to learn which have AB brakes...
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Michael Gross
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Re: Rapido USRA 40-ton Boxcar

Jon Miller
 

On 6/3/2019 3:23 PM, dalemuir2@... wrote:
Scroll down to single cars, $50 each and you have to reserve at least two.

    Almost all shops and mail order folks will split up the 4 packs.  Only thing now is I need to know what ones for my era, I know the Santa Fe didn't have any left by '41.  Got lots of time  they probably won't ship for a couple of years!:-D

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Re: Photo: PRR X25 Boxcar 83755

sooauthor@netzero.net
 

Those barrels contained dill pickles. Dill was added along with brine and small cucumbers to the barrels. They where then covered, rolled into a field, bung toward the top and left to ferment. Every so often the brine content was checked and water or salt added if needed. They were also rolled to redistribute the contents occasionally. By fall they were ready to be shipped to the processing plant for further treatment.
Regular pickles were made in the large tanks in the building in one of the photos. The Broadhead pickle company was a rather large operation in Wisconsin.
David Leider
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR AAR 65 foot gondola

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Todd;

It was not a PRR G31, but what you said: an added PC class for rebuilt 52'6" gons with new fixed ends, after the elimination of the "LOT" system.

Yes, a G33, but I cannot tell if it is a G33 or G33B.

Elden Gatwood

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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR AAR 65 foot gondola

Tim,

Your observation is correct, and I noticed it too, although the photo is pretty fuzzy when you enlarge it.

I once photographed a 52' gon in Port Jervis in the mid-1970s that was painted PC green and lettered PC. It has all the features of a NYC/Greenville standard 52'-6" drop end mill gon except for rebuild solid ends, but had a class of G31T, which seemed like a PRR class. I never heard about PRR picking up any of the Greenville gons, so maybe the class was a PC invention. Who knows? Unfortunately, I just tossed my copy of PC car diagrams during the move to Texas last week. Maybe someone out there has a copy, or someone on the PC list.

Todd Sullivan.

Re: Photo: C&NW Gondola 75235

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Bob,

This car is an AAR 1941 design from C&NW series 75201-75399, built in 1953. I suspect the end braces are a later addition. IIRC, this car was offered by Sunshine, and is essentially the same as Accurail's 3700-series.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 6/3/19 4:57 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Photo: C&NM Gondola 75235

This photo was taken after the era for this group but perhaps the car predates 1961.

http://www.brodheadhistory.org/bhsimages/images/1754.jpg

This was taken at Brodhead, Wisconsin. The coal load was to supply fuel for trips by a steam locomotive.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Rapido USRA 40-ton Boxcar

dalemuir2@...
 

Check this out! I don't know if we need any. Scroll down to single cars, $50 each and you have to reserve at least two.

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of spsalso via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2019 3:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido USRA 40-ton Boxcar

 

Here's some more info:


https://www.rapidotrains.com/products/ho-scale/freight-cars/ho-scale-usra-double-sheathed-wood-boxcar



Ed

Edward Sutorik

Photo: PRR X25 Boxcar 83755

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR X25 Boxcar 83755

http://www.brodheadhistory.org/bhsimages/images/2621.jpg

Caption: Pickle barrels are waiting to be loaded on to train cars at Colony Foods in Brodhead, Wisconsin, 1947.

Related Photos:

http://www.brodheadhistory.org/bhsimages/images/2619.jpg

http://www.brodheadhistory.org/bhsimages/images/2622.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Photo: C&NM Gondola 75235

Bob Chaparro
 
Edited

Photo: C&NW Gondola 75235

This photo was taken after the era for this group but perhaps the car predates 1961.

http://www.brodheadhistory.org/bhsimages/images/1754.jpg

This was taken at Brodhead, Wisconsin. The coal load was to supply fuel for trips by a steam locomotive.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Rapido USRA 40-ton Boxcar

spsalso
 

Re: Photos: Gondola & Boxcar

gary laakso
 

Yes, we in the Law Department did care!

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 11:07 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Gondola & Boxcar

 

Eric Hansmann wrote:



While the gon is a former EP&SW car, the El Paso & Southwestern company was not merged into the SP until 1955. The SP leased the line starting November 1, 1924, but a formal merging was not until 29 years later.

 

   One of those typical railroad history minutiae, comparable to the fact that the Central Pacific, leased to SP in 1885, was not formally merged into SP until 1959. It might be safe to say about either factoid, that only an attorney would care.

 

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Re: Photos: Gondola & Boxcar

Tony Thompson
 

Eric Hansmann wrote:

While the gon is a former EP&SW car, the El Paso & Southwestern company was not merged into the SP until 1955. The SP leased the line starting November 1, 1924, but a formal merging was not until 29 years later.

   One of those typical railroad history minutiae, comparable to the fact that the Central Pacific, leased to SP in 1885, was not formally merged into SP until 1959. It might be safe to say about either factoid, that only an attorney would care.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Ken Adams
 

Ed 
I like your suggestion of USAX 26912-27231 as my currently planned replacement layout includes the SP Avon, Contra Costa (junction for the San Ramon Valley Branch) which is 1 mile west of the Port Chicago Naval Magazine/Munitions depot and could easily see empty (hopefully not loaded) cars awaiting return movement.

The problem lies in finding suitable decals and painting information for military boxcars. I ran into this when I decided to build one of the Port Chicago ex D&RGW 36 foot wood box cars from an Accurail 14xx car. Painting was not a problem as I located a color photo of one of the cars when it  was donated to the Western Railway Museum. On a visit to the museum I was able to inspect one of  the two cars donated and in spite of it being repainted to D&RGW box car red, the under frame an brake gear were still in Navy light battleship grey. But decals were a problem. I wound up using Clover House dry transfers which luckily were specific to the car but which did not go on to well. ( I just tried to add a photo but it did not upload. see https://srandsp.blogspot.com/2018/12/us-navy-box-car-from-port-chicago.html)

Re: PRR AAR 65 foot gondola

Tim O'Connor
 

Those rebuilt gondolas were indeed exNYC (or P&LE) Greenville (lot 150-G) gondolas.

Unfortunately, Terry Link has taken down his invaluable "Canada Southern" web site with NYC et al roster
information over misuse of a couple of photos!! Seems like a rather draconian solution to me! :-(

http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/home.htm

Tim O'Connor

On 6/3/2019 12:42 PM, Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io wrote:
Tim,

Your observation is correct, and I noticed it too, although the photo is pretty fuzzy when you enlarge it.

I once photographed a 52' gon in Port Jervis in the mid-1970s that was painted PC green and lettered PC.  It has all the features of a NYC/Greenville standard 52'-6" drop end mill gon except for rebuild solid ends, but had a class of G31T, which seemed like a PRR class.  I never heard about PRR picking up any of the Greenville gons, so maybe the class was a PC invention.  Who knows?  Unfortunately, I just tossed my copy of PC car diagrams during the move to Texas last week.  Maybe someone out there has a copy, or someone on the PC list.

Todd Sullivan
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*Tim O'Connor*
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Re: PRR AAR 65 foot gondola

Todd Sullivan
 

Tim,

Your observation is correct, and I noticed it too, although the photo is pretty fuzzy when you enlarge it. 

I once photographed a 52' gon in Port Jervis in the mid-1970s that was painted PC green and lettered PC.  It has all the features of a NYC/Greenville standard 52'-6" drop end mill gon except for rebuild solid ends, but had a class of G31T, which seemed like a PRR class.  I never heard about PRR picking up any of the Greenville gons, so maybe the class was a PC invention.  Who knows?  Unfortunately, I just tossed my copy of PC car diagrams during the move to Texas last week.  Maybe someone out there has a copy, or someone on the PC list.  

Todd Sullivan.

Re: PRR AAR 65 foot gondola

Tim O'Connor
 


Thanks Todd. It's definitely NOT a G26 but the G33 (see attached photo) appears to have several
beefier side posts (a common feature of 1950's gondolas) - but maybe this PC car was rebuilt?

Tim O'Connor



G33?  Blt in or before 1948 and has all full height ribs.

The G26 and G26a had shorter ribs on the side (same length) except for 2 each side where the diagonal part fo the side sheet straightens out at the bottom.

Todd Sullivan.
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Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Tim O'Connor
 


Richard, I agree - if you already have 'em, go with it.

The only modifications I made to the McKean car - besides better detail parts and the roof hatches -
was the tabs on the side sill. The ends were already riveted (correct) and as you say the roof is correct
too. And the lettering is excellent. The kits come with AAR underframes but that's not important enough
to toss out the models.

Tim O'



On 6/3/2019 12:04 PM, Richard Townsend via Groups.Io wrote:
Which is why I suggested the Evergreen Roundhouse car. Right roof, good graphics, for a car the OP said didn't need to be exact. YMMV. These were just suggested options. If I didn't already have three of the Evergreen Roundhouse cars I would get the Kadee car myself, but I do so I won't.

And just to be clear, the photo posted of the Evergreen B-50-40 is of one paint scheme, but it also came with the earlier scheme. Also, the roof hatches on that car were an option suggested in one of the kits. Both schemes are shown in this eBay listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-McKean-Evergreen-Roundhouse-HO-40-PS-1-Boxcar-Kit-Union-Pacific-NEW-TRUCKS/333213295470?hash=item4d950f636e:g:qsIAAOSwHDlc68~p

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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Re: PRR AAR 65 foot gondola

Brian Carlson
 

Shoot. Couldn’t tell on phone. Todd is probably correct. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jun 3, 2019, at 12:12 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Brian,

I thought exactly the same thing, but the car in the photo has full-length sides stakes at every location, so it is neither G26 or G26A. 

Regards
Bruce


On Jun 3, 2019, at 10:35 AM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...> wrote:

G26 or 26a can’t tell based on the small pic on my phone. They are similar but different to the AAR. Sides stakes is the most obvious difference. 
http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?sel=gon&sz=sm&fr=

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:09 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


This surprised me - I didn't think PRR owned any AAR 65 foot gondolas.

Anyone have builder/class data?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/66415287@N02/47970166157/

Tim O'Connor



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Re: PRR AAR 65 foot gondola

Bruce Smith
 

Brian,

I thought exactly the same thing, but the car in the photo has full-length sides stakes at every location, so it is neither G26 or G26A. 

Regards
Bruce


On Jun 3, 2019, at 10:35 AM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...> wrote:

G26 or 26a can’t tell based on the small pic on my phone. They are similar but different to the AAR. Sides stakes is the most obvious difference. 
http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?sel=gon&sz=sm&fr=

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:09 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


This surprised me - I didn't think PRR owned any AAR 65 foot gondolas.

Anyone have builder/class data?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/66415287@N02/47970166157/

Tim O'Connor



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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*




Re: PRR AAR 65 foot gondola

Todd Sullivan
 

G33?  Blt in or before 1948 and has all full height ribs.

The G26 and G26a had shorter ribs on the side (same length) except for 2 each side where the diagonal part fo the side sheet straightens out at the bottom.

Todd Sullivan.

Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Richard Townsend
 

Which is why I suggested the Evergreen Roundhouse car. Right roof, good graphics, for a car the OP said didn't need to be exact. YMMV. These were just suggested options. If I didn't already have three of the Evergreen Roundhouse cars I would get the Kadee car myself, but I do so I won't.

And just to be clear, the photo posted of the Evergreen B-50-40 is of one paint scheme, but it also came with the earlier scheme. Also, the roof hatches on that car were an option suggested in one of the kits. Both schemes are shown in this eBay listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-McKean-Evergreen-Roundhouse-HO-40-PS-1-Boxcar-Kit-Union-Pacific-NEW-TRUCKS/333213295470?hash=item4d950f636e:g:qsIAAOSwHDlc68~p

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Jun 3, 2019 8:50 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?

Richard Townshend wrote:
"True enough, but at three times the price."

...and a lot less rework required.  When you start bringing up hacking roofs off of other carbodies (frankly, it's just easier removing the corrugations), the point of diminishing returns comes up on you pretty quick. 


Ben Hom