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Re: Rapido USRA 40-ton Boxcar
spsalso
Here's some more info:
https://www.rapidotrains.com/products/ho-scale/freight-cars/ho-scale-usra-double-sheathed-wood-boxcar Ed Edward Sutorik
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Re: Photos: Gondola & Boxcar
gary laakso
Yes, we in the Law Department did care!
Gary Laakso
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 11:07 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Gondola & Boxcar
Eric Hansmann wrote:
One of those typical railroad history minutiae, comparable to the fact that the Central Pacific, leased to SP in 1885, was not formally merged into SP until 1959. It might be safe to say about either factoid, that only an attorney would care.
Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Photos: Gondola & Boxcar
Tony Thompson
Eric Hansmann wrote:
One of those typical railroad history minutiae, comparable to the fact that the Central Pacific, leased to SP in 1885, was not formally merged into SP until 1959. It might be safe to say about either factoid, that only an attorney would care. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?
Ed
I like your suggestion of USAX 26912-27231 as my currently planned replacement layout includes the SP Avon, Contra Costa (junction for the San Ramon Valley Branch) which is 1 mile west of the Port Chicago Naval Magazine/Munitions depot and could easily see empty (hopefully not loaded) cars awaiting return movement. The problem lies in finding suitable decals and painting information for military boxcars. I ran into this when I decided to build one of the Port Chicago ex D&RGW 36 foot wood box cars from an Accurail 14xx car. Painting was not a problem as I located a color photo of one of the cars when it was donated to the Western Railway Museum. On a visit to the museum I was able to inspect one of the two cars donated and in spite of it being repainted to D&RGW box car red, the under frame an brake gear were still in Navy light battleship grey. But decals were a problem. I wound up using Clover House dry transfers which luckily were specific to the car but which did not go on to well. ( I just tried to add a photo but it did not upload. see https://srandsp.blogspot.com/2018/12/us-navy-box-car-from-port-chicago.html)
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Re: PRR AAR 65 foot gondola
Those rebuilt gondolas were indeed exNYC (or P&LE) Greenville (lot 150-G) gondolas.
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Unfortunately, Terry Link has taken down his invaluable "Canada Southern" web site with NYC et al roster information over misuse of a couple of photos!! Seems like a rather draconian solution to me! :-( http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/home.htm Tim O'Connor
On 6/3/2019 12:42 PM, Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io wrote:
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*Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts*
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Re: PRR AAR 65 foot gondola
Todd Sullivan
Tim,
Your observation is correct, and I noticed it too, although the photo is pretty fuzzy when you enlarge it. I once photographed a 52' gon in Port Jervis in the mid-1970s that was painted PC green and lettered PC. It has all the features of a NYC/Greenville standard 52'-6" drop end mill gon except for rebuild solid ends, but had a class of G31T, which seemed like a PRR class. I never heard about PRR picking up any of the Greenville gons, so maybe the class was a PC invention. Who knows? Unfortunately, I just tossed my copy of PC car diagrams during the move to Texas last week. Maybe someone out there has a copy, or someone on the PC list. Todd Sullivan.
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Re: PRR AAR 65 foot gondola
Thanks Todd. It's definitely NOT a G26 but the G33 (see attached photo) appears to have several beefier side posts (a common feature of 1950's gondolas) - but maybe this PC car was rebuilt? Tim O'Connor
G33? Blt in or before 1948 and has all full height ribs. --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?
Richard, I agree - if you already have 'em, go with it. The only modifications I made to the McKean car - besides better detail parts and the roof hatches - was the tabs on the side sill. The ends were already riveted (correct) and as you say the roof is correct too. And the lettering is excellent. The kits come with AAR underframes but that's not important enough to toss out the models. Tim O'
On 6/3/2019 12:04 PM, Richard Townsend
via Groups.Io wrote:
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Re: PRR AAR 65 foot gondola
Shoot. Couldn’t tell on phone. Todd is probably correct.
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On Jun 3, 2019, at 12:12 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
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Re: PRR AAR 65 foot gondola
Brian,
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I thought exactly the same thing, but the car in the photo has full-length sides stakes at every location, so it is neither G26 or G26A.
Regards
Bruce
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Re: PRR AAR 65 foot gondola
Todd Sullivan
G33? Blt in or before 1948 and has all full height ribs.
The G26 and G26a had shorter ribs on the side (same length) except for 2 each side where the diagonal part fo the side sheet straightens out at the bottom. Todd Sullivan.
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Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?
Richard Townsend
Which is why I suggested the Evergreen Roundhouse car. Right roof, good graphics, for a car the OP said didn't need to be exact. YMMV. These were just suggested options. If I didn't already have three of the Evergreen Roundhouse cars I would get the Kadee car myself, but I do so I won't.
And just to be clear, the photo posted of the Evergreen B-50-40 is of one paint scheme, but it also came with the earlier scheme. Also, the roof hatches on that car were an option suggested in one of the kits. Both schemes are shown in this eBay listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-McKean-Evergreen-Roundhouse-HO-40-PS-1-Boxcar-Kit-Union-Pacific-NEW-TRUCKS/333213295470?hash=item4d950f636e:g:qsIAAOSwHDlc68~p Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
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From: Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Sent: Mon, Jun 3, 2019 8:50 am Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits? Richard Townshend wrote:
"True enough, but at three times the price."
...and a lot less rework required. When you start bringing up hacking roofs off of other carbodies (frankly, it's just easier removing the corrugations), the point of diminishing returns comes up on you pretty quick.
Ben Hom
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Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?
Benjamin Hom
Richard Townshend wrote: "True enough, but at three times the price." ...and a lot less rework required. When you start bringing up hacking roofs off of other carbodies (frankly, it's just easier removing the corrugations), the point of diminishing returns comes up on you pretty quick. Ben Hom
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Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?
Richard Townsend
True enough, but at three times the price. Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
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From: Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Sent: Mon, Jun 3, 2019 6:27 am Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits? Tim O'Connor wrote:
"This is the McKean model decorated by Evergreen Roundhouse.
It's not exactly correct. If I were building this model NOW, I would use the Kadee pre-1950 PS-1."
Ken, I agree with Tim. While the Evergreen Roundhouse line has some of the nicest UP factory lettering ever offered, I'd wait until the pre-1950 Kadee PS-1 comes out unless you have an absolute life-or-death immediate need for a Class B-50-40. The PS-1 is such a ubiquitous prototype that there's surely another off-line car that fits your needs that is closer to the Intermountain model.
Ben Hom
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Re: PRR AAR 65 foot gondola
G26 or 26a can’t tell based on the small pic on my phone. They are similar but different to the AAR. Sides stakes is the most obvious difference.
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On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:09 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
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PRR AAR 65 foot gondola
This surprised me - I didn't think PRR owned any AAR 65 foot gondolas.
Anyone have builder/class data? https://www.flickr.com/photos/66415287@N02/47970166157/ Tim O'Connor -- *Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts*
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Re: Photos: Gondola & Boxcar
While technically true, the SP wasted no time in erasing EP&SW reporting marks.
On 6/3/2019 10:09 AM, Eric Hansmann
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Re: Photos: Gondola & Boxcar
Eric Hansmann
While the gon is a former EP&SW car, the El Paso & Southwestern company was not merged into the SP until 1955. The SP leased the line starting November 1, 1924, but a formal merging was not until 29 years later.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rich C via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 11:02 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Gondola & Boxcar
The gon is ex El Paso & South Western. They were not an SP subsidiary, just merged into the SP in 1924.
Rich Christie
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Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?
Benjamin Hom
Tim O'Connor wrote: "This is the McKean model decorated by Evergreen Roundhouse. It's not exactly correct. If I were building this model NOW, I would use the Kadee pre-1950 PS-1." Ken, I agree with Tim. While the Evergreen Roundhouse line has some of the nicest UP factory lettering ever offered, I'd wait until the pre-1950 Kadee PS-1 comes out unless you have an absolute life-or-death immediate need for a Class B-50-40. The PS-1 is such a ubiquitous prototype that there's surely another off-line car that fits your needs that is closer to the Intermountain model. Ben Hom
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Re: UP B-50-40 from IM UP B-50-52 kits?
This is the McKean model decorated by Evergreen Roundhouse. It's not exactly correct. If I were building this model NOW, I would use the Kadee pre-1950 PS-1. Tim O'Connor
On 6/2/2019 11:53 PM, Richard Townsend
via Groups.Io wrote:
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