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Re: Best way to cut Plano metal roof walks
Eric Hansmann
Chuck, I've been using cuticle scissors to cut etched parts off of the fret. I can't recall where I bought them but they look like these. You could try using a pair of these at the very end of the running board to see if they trim the parts to your liking. Eric Hansmann
On June 8, 2019 at 6:09 PM Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:
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Re: Great Freight Car Combinations
gary laakso
Schuyler, the device is an Elesco coil type feedwater heater, a favorite of the Central of Georgia.
Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
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Gary, here’s another look at the ERIE car, and in this view you can see both ends of the car, plus the other side of the near end. It’s pretty clear that the steps ARE bent inwards from the usual plane of the car side.
https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-Columbus-Georgia/i-xxqfnfK/A
Schuyler
Interesting collection of photos to wander through. I have another question: several of the locomotives have an oval-in-plan device at the top of the smokebox in front of the stack. What’s that? Some less common form of a feedwater heater?
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
The nearest track features a PRR X31 boxcar and two types of flat cars and the adjoining track has what appears to be a pulp wood car, CB&Q double sheathed boxcar, a pickle car, and a 1937 GN boxcar. Is the stirrup on the Erie boxcar bent towards the truck or is it the camera playing tricks? https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-Columbus-Georgia/i-FX2N8GC/A
Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
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Re: Best way to cut Plano metal roof walks
I'm out of town presently but check with Plano direct. I was in the same quandary and he recommended a set of cutters that Amazon sells, that do an excellent job cutting the metal parts.
Dave Strahlendorf Erlanger, Ky.
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Re: Steel casting colors
Tony Thompson
Richard Townsend wrote:
Richard probably refers to a post last March, about structural steel, a material which is mostly hot rolled and maybe cold straightened. That post is here: but a more general commentary on rust colors, and what they may or may not represent, might be this post, if you're interested: Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Steel casting colors
Tony Thompson
Ron Merrick wrote: For castings (or forgings) that have been outside for a few months, the color ends up being about the same for ductile iron and for carbon steel (or many of the steel alloys). But castings that have been freshly grit blasted, then set outside, there is a pretty good variation from yellow to orange to dark rusty color. Those are certainly realistic rust colors, as I've described in my blog and in weathering clinics. However, not every casting or forging is left out in the weather. I have photos of some VERY large forgings on flat cars, and they are the typical bluish-gray of mill scale. Over time, they might well show rust, but not every such piece will show rust. Even freshly cast steel or cast iron does not rust right away. So I would say that modeling materials of that kind is going to depend on the vendor and the purchaser, whether the part is promptly shipped or sits around in the yard. In many cases, a grayish color would be best. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Great Freight Car Combinations
Schuyler Larrabee
Gary, here’s another look at the ERIE car, and in this view you can see both ends of the car, plus the other side of the near end. It’s pretty clear that the steps ARE bent inwards from the usual plane of the car side.
https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-Columbus-Georgia/i-xxqfnfK/A
Schuyler
Interesting collection of photos to wander through. I have another question: several of the locomotives have an oval-in-plan device at the top of the smokebox in front of the stack. What’s that? Some less common form of a feedwater heater?
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 10:43 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Great Freight Car Combinations
The nearest track features a PRR X31 boxcar and two types of flat cars and the adjoining track has what appears to be a pulp wood car, CB&Q double sheathed boxcar, a pickle car, and a 1937 GN boxcar. Is the stirrup on the Erie boxcar bent towards the truck or is it the camera playing tricks? https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-Columbus-Georgia/i-FX2N8GC/A
Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
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Re: Great Freight Car Combinations
Schuyler Larrabee
Gary. I think that sill step on the ERIE car IS bent inwards . . . look at the step on the other side . . . but I also think that it’s been bent lengthwise, too, so you’re getting a sort of double whammy of bending
Clearly, you observed that rather fuzzy photo closely!
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 10:43 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Great Freight Car Combinations
The nearest track features a PRR X31 boxcar and two types of flat cars and the adjoining track has what appears to be a pulp wood car, CB&Q double sheathed boxcar, a pickle car, and a 1937 GN boxcar. Is the stirrup on the Erie boxcar bent towards the truck or is it the camera playing tricks? https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-Columbus-Georgia/i-FX2N8GC/A
Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
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Great Freight Car Combinations
gary laakso
The nearest track features a PRR X31 boxcar and two types of flat cars and the adjoining track has what appears to be a pulp wood car, CB&Q double sheathed boxcar, a pickle car, and a 1937 GN boxcar. Is the stirrup on the Erie boxcar bent towards the truck or is it the camera playing tricks? https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1944-Columbus-Georgia/i-FX2N8GC/A
Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
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Re: Steel casting colors
Richard Townsend
Tony Thompson address’s this recently in his blog.
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On Jun 8, 2019, at 6:25 PM, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:
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Re: Photo: Unloading DeSotos
rwitt_2000
The railroad would have been the IC; its Freeport IL to Madison WI line.
According to Google maps the car dealership building still stands. Bob Witt
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Pullman Library Freight Car Drawings
David
This one could be interesting:
SS-45602.tif?? Vulcan Corrugated Steel End - 1921 - 200 BAR Box Cars David Thompson
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Re: Steel casting colors
mopacfirst
For castings (or forgings) that have been outside for a few months, the color ends up being about the same for ductile iron and for carbon steel (or many of the steel alloys). But castings that have been freshly grit blasted, then set outside, there is a pretty good variation from yellow to orange to dark rusty color.
Ron Merrick
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Best way to cut Plano metal roof walks
Chuck Cover
I am upgrading a few models by adding Plano metal roof walks and need to shorten a few of them to fit the cars. Has anyone had experience in cutting these metal roof walks? What is the best way, without damaging or bending the cut end? Thanks
Chuck Cover Santa Fe, NM
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Steel casting colors
Have a few loads to paint. Need an idea for color for a steel casting load. Dark rusty red color, dark brown-black i see in ductile iron water main fittings at work, other? I realize what is seen today may not be what was circa 1957.
Brian J. Carlson
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Re: Pullman Library Freight Car Drawings
Bob Webber
I have added the Haskell & Barker & the
Pullman/Pullman Standard drawings. Note that there are missing
captions in the HB list - that has to be looked into - rather than delete
them, I kept them because, well, I'm busy doing other things - you can
always filter or sort.
A couple of points: I did not pre-spell check this version - it's rawer than the last. It is not sorted - I figured than anyone using it will sort or filter as they wish. It is saved as an XLS file type Note - the file name has changed - as did the description. If you still see Standard Steel - you have an old cached version, and you'll need to reload. If you used Jeff's method, the file will no longer be there. This process (and the response) has been a bit eye-opening as I had though this part of the process had gone firly well - in that I thought we had captions for every thing. We do not (or it didn't resolve correctly - TBD). Again, these are only the drawings scanned - mostly as a result of orders, though I have started scanning entire folders. . These 3 list segments are a tiny proportion of the available drawings, and we are trying to process more, as time allows. I thought that even in the raw form, it might hep people see what might be available for projects down the road. Thanks for the comments! http://www.pullmanlibrary.org/ (And yes, fonts & such need cleaning up on the page) Bob Webber
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Re: Standard Steel Freight Cars - Experiment (corrected)
Bob Webber
Thanks, Dan.
This is a temporary version - I plan on putting another out in the "near" future that contains more data - and will likely be a PDF with an xls alternative. The reason there is no order info is that these were early scans - and we didn't realize at that time if it would be important (I say we - I wasn't there). This is a 20 year effort - you learn a lot in 20 years. That means, also means 20 years of orders - each order teaches us a lot about what customers want - and are looking for. We are slowly back filling data - if it is present. many drawings have no order infor (which you can see on the list - I've taken to adding that phrase rather than leaving that part of the caption empty). There are a *LOT* of early cars that may be of interest. Cement covered hoppers in the late 20s, 3 bay 50-ton open hoppers, various Duryea underframed cars (and who knew that some hoppers have parts also used on box cars (aside from trucks and such). There is even the USRA box if you look through the list. There are export cars, trench cars, cabooses, etc. What I plan on doing - if the interest is there - is to include the Pullman freight, the H&B freight and perhaps some others that may be of interest. That spans from about 1900 to 1960ish. The exact nature of the drawings is, in this case at least, less important than the possibilities in the orders/Lots. By seeing that there are specific orders for specific railroads available - even if the given drawing is for a striking plate - that is important for those researching cars. They then have a good chance of finding other, ore critical drawings for their work for the cars referenced. We started by putting EXACTLY what was in the data block. THAT was, I think, a mistake. The various manufacturers were no more standard or consistent than, well, us. I did a quick search before posting to make some things a bit more so - you have NO idea how many abbreviations for "arrangement" there were! Same with railroads. AT&SF may be Santa Fe, ATSF, AT&SF, or variants. THAT'S what we had been entering (because that's what was on the drawing). I've changed that policy to do just as you suggest - put the reporting marks, not the name or variations. Search for CRI&P stuff, you have to look for Rock, CRIP, CRIP, etc. That has to change. MANY General Drawings have multiple associations - and when they did - no road name was provided (were it for many), So, they can be ...entertaining...to research. But...this is exactly why I wanted to post this - to get ideas and explain our process and then meld it all together so that we have a more useful product when we put a searchable data base on the web. We are VERY much restrained by the agreement with Bombardier (they own 85-90% of the collection). That may change At 06:23 AM 6/8/2019, D R Stinson wrote: Bob - Bob Webber
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Re: Standard Steel Freight Cars - Experiment (corrected)
Bob -
A truly impressive effort, as limited as it might be. Congratulations on bringing light to the holdings of the library! The first comment I would make is to save the file in the most easily accessible software format possible for those who may not have Excel. I would suggest staying with the XLS format rather than going to the XLSX format. The newer (and more exclusive) format most likely doesn't gain you anything, and people with older spreadsheet programs might run into an obstacle with it. Just a suggestion from someone who does not typically use M$ Excel. While it is most likely necessary, make certain that the compression program you use to zip files continues to function correctly in the future. I have found that to be a problem with some older compressions in early versions of MS software. Just an observation. Some of the first entries do not mention specific road names, car series, or types. This may be something that simply wasn't on the drawings or wasn't picked up when those drawings were scanned. Again, an observation. While it may be too late for some, it might be useful if the road initials were in a separate, sortable column to facilitate locating specific cars. And it appears you DO have something of interest to me! SS-16294.tif appears to be one of the early BA&P two-bay hoppers, although it might be one of the earlier cars, which would still be of interest. Regarding reporting marks, I notice that some of the initials have spaces in them. the above-mentioned drawing refers to "B A & P Hopper car" with spaces between the initials. If I'm searching for a reporting mark I don't put in spaces because the railroads and the equipment registers didn't. In this case it would be more useful to use "BA&P". Note that this may simply be a typo. Personally I favor leaving in the ampersand (&), as it is correct for the era, but it's not unreasonable to do a second search if it's not there. Where road names are spelled out, such as "General drawing of 60000 lbs. cap stock car Bangor & Aroostook", it would be helpful to have reporting marks following the name for searching. This might help avoid spelling errors derailing a search. Just some quick thought. Again, congratulations on such an effort!! Dan Stinson Helena, Montana
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Re: "Machinist Tools For Modeling, Part 1 - Hand Tools" Clinic ar rent NERPM
Bill Welch
I am pretty sure at that price those are the counterfeits people are complaining about in the Amazon reviews for the one I ordered: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IG46NL2?ref=ppx_pt2_dt_b_prod_image
Bill Welch
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Re: "Machinist Tools For Modeling, Part 1 - Hand Tools" Clinic ar rent NERPM
Todd Horton
New Mitutoyo calipers for $30 ?? There’s you sign
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On Jun 7, 2019, at 9:00 PM, Richard Townsend via Groups.Io <richtownsend@...> wrote:
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Re: Standard Steel Freight Cars - Experiment (corrected)
Aley, Jeff A
It seems easier to just provide the link here:
http://www.pullmanlibrary.org/SS%20Freight%20Folder-Contents.xlsx
You’ll probably want to right-click and “Save As” because this link is not to a webpage, but to an Excel spreadsheet.
Regards,
-Jeff
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Now it works! Thanks!
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