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Re: Photo: M&O Flat Car/Gondola 13761 (Corrected)

gary laakso
 

That is a magnificent picture and it really enlarges nicely; thank you for sharing, Claus.  Are those “steps” on the Proctor and Gamble tank car strap en lieu of a ladder? 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 12:45 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: M&O Flat Car/Gondola 13761 (Corrected)

 

Hi List Members,

 

In addition, there is a nice yard view at the link below...

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: M&O Flat Car/Gondola 13761 (Corrected)

 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

"Photo: GM&O [sic] Flat Car/Gondola 13761

When enlarged the details for this car are really sharp:

 

Photo is annotated as taken on 12-1-1917, so the car belongs to the Mobile & Ohio, NOT GM&O as it doesn't exist yet.  GM&O was incorporated in 1937 for the merger of the Mobile & Ohio and Gulf, Mobile & Northern.  The merger was completed on September 13, 1940.

 

 

Ben Hom


Re: Photo: M&O Flat Car/Gondola 13761 (Corrected)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi List Members,
 
In addition, there is a nice yard view at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 

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Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: M&O Flat Car/Gondola 13761 (Corrected)

Bob Chaparro wrote:
"Photo: GM&O [sic] Flat Car/Gondola 13761
When enlarged the details for this car are really sharp:

Photo is annotated as taken on 12-1-1917, so the car belongs to the Mobile & Ohio, NOT GM&O as it doesn't exist yet.  GM&O was incorporated in 1937 for the merger of the Mobile & Ohio and Gulf, Mobile & Northern.  The merger was completed on September 13, 1940.


Ben Hom


Re: Whiskey in a Boxcar

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Brian;

Yes, hence L&N's use of the same car (with one number changed), to boldly proclaim (laying it on thick here) it's prominence in shipping your post-prohibition products to the far corners of the continent.

I wonder if they just stuck new labels on the ends of empty crates?

One final thing: in the post-prohibition landscape, whiskey production exploded. I have a small group of menus from nightclubs pre- and post-war WW2, and they each display an astounding variety of whiskies long since gone. They also display a wide range of prices per drink, with bourbon up top, and ryes at the bottom. Bottoms up!

Elden Gatwood

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 3:08 PM
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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Whiskey in a Boxcar

Did you notice that the contents of the car is different as well? 13979 is loaded with “Old Senator”, while 18979 Has “James Pepper”.





Thanks!
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Brian Ehni





From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Welch <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 7:10 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Whiskey in a Boxcar



These photos from that UK Archive have been discussed before and yes same car with "3" changed to "8."

Car is a XM-1 design with three lever brake system.

Bill Welch


Re: Whiskey in a Boxcar

 

Did you notice that the contents of the car is different as well? 13979 is loaded with “Old Senator”, while 18979 Has “James Pepper”.

 

 

Thanks!
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Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Welch <fgexbill@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 7:10 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Whiskey in a Boxcar

 

These photos from that UK Archive have been discussed before and yes same car with "3" changed to "8."

Car is a XM-1 design with three lever brake system.

Bill Welch


Re: Univ of KY Digital Archives

William Hirt
 

This photo from the same collection shows a several large stacks of returned cases under a tarp as a CB&Q switcher sets cars to be loaded. 9203 was the Q's first NW2. It has a large herald under the cab and cab numbering that was different from standard Q switcher scheme at the time.

Freight car content: The first car behind is the switcher is B&O 479097 (Class M-55ha/M-55hb?) that is only year or so old. The next car is a SSW Wood Sheathed Boxcar whose number I can not identify. The third is an outside braced car that is a CB&Q car that might be a Class XA-7 built by Pullman in 1922 or Class XA-8 built by Pullman in 1925 that had both 6' and 4' sliding doors. Obviously no longer in auto service and was then in general service.

<http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/nby_rrlife/id/516/rec/1>

Bill Hirt

On 6/13/2019 9:22 AM, prr6380 via Groups.Io wrote:
The Falstaff beer being loaded is beer in returnable bottles.  The cardboard case had easily opened and closed top flaps.  The case and the bottles were paid a deposit and were refunded on return to the dealer.  The bottles were cleaned and refilled at the brewery.  During the whole round trip the cases were handled individually as the men were shown doing in the photo. 

Walt Stafa
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Re: Photo: M&O Flat Car/Gondola 13761 (Corrected)

Benjamin Hom
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:
"Photo: GM&O [sic] Flat Car/Gondola 13761
When enlarged the details for this car are really sharp:

Photo is annotated as taken on 12-1-1917, so the car belongs to the Mobile & Ohio, NOT GM&O as it doesn't exist yet.  GM&O was incorporated in 1937 for the merger of the Mobile & Ohio and Gulf, Mobile & Northern.  The merger was completed on September 13, 1940.


Ben Hom
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Re: Photo: M&O Flat Car/Gondola 13761

Benjamin Hom
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:
"Photo: GM&O [sic] Flat Car/Gondola 13761
When enlarged the details for this car are really sharp:

Photo is annotated as taken on 12-1-1917, so the car belongs to the Mobile & Ohio, NOT GM&O as it doesn't exist yet.  GM&O was incorporated in 1937 for the merger of the Mobile & Ohio and Gulf, Mobile & Northern. 


Ben Hom


Photo: GM&O Flat Car/Gondola 13761

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: GM&O Flat Car/Gondola 13761

When enlarged the details for this car are really sharp:

https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7n8p5v9x1t_11_6?q=%22flat+car%22&per_page=20

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Coil steel loads

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

I have a set of coils in my 29' WP gondola which IIRC were made by Walthers. They seem to be plastic, but are very heavy and probably contain a metal core. Nice weight for the car. I made wooden cradles to hold the coils. Eight in sets of four over each truck is a full load for the 29' cars, but the 52' cars carried pretty much the same.

I also made a set of "steel" coil racks, but these are at the moment unused.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 6/13/19 9:45 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:
Bill;

I cut aluminum cans with good scissors. I generally sand the edges with fine sandpaper to eliminate any fuzz. I mark the inside of the can with a fine marker, then cut along the line.  You can even make coils with good paper wound around a wooden dowel.

I also have resin molds I made from masters that I use for my many hot coil loads for gons.

Elden Gatwood

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Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Coil steel loads

Thanks Tim & Elden,

Elden, how do you cut the aluminum cans??






Slightly OT (was Whiskey in a Boxcar)

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Jun 13, 2019, at 05:10, Bill Welch <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

These photos from that UK Archive have been discussed before and yes same car with "3" changed to "8."

Car is a XM-1 design with three lever brake system.
Hotaling’s bonded whisky warehouse, purported to be the largest in the west, survived efforts to create a firebreak in the aftermath of the 1906 seism and holocaust which destroyed a goodly part of San Francisco. One story has Hotaling promising firefighters a lifetime’s free supply of whisky if they’d save his building.

See <https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/hotaling-whiskey-warehouse>

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Re: Univ of KY Digital Archives

Charles Happel
 

Sort of an early version of recycling.

Chuck Happel

My mother loved children - she would have given anything if I had been one. Groucho Marx


On Thursday, June 13, 2019, 10:22:30 AM EDT, prr6380 via Groups.Io <prr6380@...> wrote:


The Falstaff beer being loaded is beer in returnable bottles.  The cardboard case had easily opened and closed top flaps.  The case and the bottles were paid a deposit and were refunded on return to the dealer.  The bottles were cleaned and refilled at the brewery.  During the whole round trip the cases were handled individually as the men were shown doing in the photo. 

Walt Stafa


Re: Univ of KY Digital Archives

prr6380
 

The Falstaff beer being loaded is beer in returnable bottles.  The cardboard case had easily opened and closed top flaps.  The case and the bottles were paid a deposit and were refunded on return to the dealer.  The bottles were cleaned and refilled at the brewery.  During the whole round trip the cases were handled individually as the men were shown doing in the photo. 

Walt Stafa


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Coil steel loads

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bill;

I cut aluminum cans with good scissors. I generally sand the edges with fine sandpaper to eliminate any fuzz. I mark the inside of the can with a fine marker, then cut along the line. You can even make coils with good paper wound around a wooden dowel.

I also have resin molds I made from masters that I use for my many hot coil loads for gons.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of William Canelos via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 9:04 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Coil steel loads

Thanks Tim & Elden,

Elden, how do you cut the aluminum cans??


Re: Univ of KY Digital Archives

William Hirt
 

That is just cardboard looking to be returned/reused. Here is a image of cases of beer being loaded in a boxcar at the Falstaff Brewery on the CB&Q in Omaha in 1948:

<http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/nby_rrlife/id/518/rec/2>

Bill Hirt

On 6/12/2019 6:39 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Before cushion underframes and DF belt rails - look how liquor was shipped in a box car!

https://exploreuk.uky.edu/catalog/xt7z348gg90h_5_365?q=freight+car&offset=300&per_page=100

Tim O'



On 6/12/2019 4:47 PM, Bill Welch wrote:

 
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Coil steel loads

William Canelos
 

Thanks Tim & Elden,

Elden, how do you cut the aluminum cans??


Re: USRA rejects

Benjamin Hom
 

Ron Merrick asked:
"Since we've been talking about the earlier part of the steam era, I've noted references in various places about the assignment of USRA car types and how 'some roads refused to accept them'.

Is there a good reference that discusses the cars that weren't accepted, and the reasons the assigned railroads gave?"

Go back to the James E. Lane's definitive article on these cars, published in Railroad and Locomotive Historical Society's "Railroad History" No. 128.  It includes a table of the original allocations and a short narrative explaining why railroads refused to accept cars.


Ben Hom  


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] USRA rejects

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Ron;

I've read some PRR correspondence in which they discuss the perceived or observed inadequacies of the USRA design, X26 class, which include: underframe, roof (they did replace these in the 30's with Hutchins roofs), sheathing, truss configuration and design (they did reinforce the lower end of some trusses along the way), brakes, IIRC. They eliminated most of these in the rebuilds to X26C, and re-used the components they were satisfied with, that included u/f components, ends, replacement AB components.

Elden Gatwood

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of mopacfirst
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 7:38 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] USRA rejects

Since we've been talking about the earlier part of the steam era, I've noted references in various places about the assignment of USRA car types and how 'some roads refused to accept them'.

Is there a good reference that discusses the cars that weren't accepted, and the reasons the assigned railroads gave? Was it cost, or perceived lack of demand? Technical issues on the part of mechanical officers, or just 'the principle of the thing'?

Ron Merrick


Whiskey in a Boxcar

Bill Welch
 

These photos from that UK Archive have been discussed before and yes same car with "3" changed to "8."

Car is a XM-1 design with three lever brake system.

Bill Welch


USRA rejects

mopacfirst
 

Since we've been talking about the earlier part of the steam era, I've noted references in various places about the assignment of USRA car types and how 'some roads refused to accept them'.

Is there a good reference that discusses the cars that weren't accepted, and the reasons the assigned railroads gave?  Was it cost, or perceived lack of demand?  Technical issues on the part of mechanical officers, or just 'the principle of the thing'?

Ron Merrick


Re: Univ of KY Digital Archives

Jack Mullen
 

On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 04:39 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
look how liquor was shipped in a box car!
All cardboard and no liquor. Must be one of the dry counties in Kentucky. ;^)

Jack Mullen

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