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Re: Rapido Reefer Paint Color Comparison

Donald B. Valentine
 

   For what it is worth, Nelson, my eyes see your BREX car as yellow, the unfinished car in the middle as
yellow with just a little orange added and the swift car as yellow with still a bit more orange added. Is that
supposed to be the desired effect?

Sorry but I only caught the end of this thread, Don Valentine

Re: CofG Ventilated boxcar

Donald B. Valentine
 

Hi folks, I'm still seeking assistance with the brake system layout for the CofG ventilated boxcars produced by
Smokey Mountain's Jim King and sod by the CofG RR His. Soc.any basic diagram or written description
would be helpful.

Thank you, Don Valentine

Re: Furniture & Woodenware Boxcar

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 12:07 PM, Charlie Vlk wrote:

Google is your friend….

I think this Wikipedia definition of “treen” that comes up in a search for “woodenware” is likely close to the intent on the car since furniture is clearly intended to be separate:

Charlie, I disagree. Here is all the definition of "woodenware" as it pertains to freightcars that you need. What it has in common with furniture is it won't "nest" so is light in weight for it's volume, necessitating an oversize freightcar. Carriages were another commodity that needed oversize cars, as were automobiles when they came along, and eventually lent their mane to the oversize cars.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Furniture & Woodenware Boxcar

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob and List Members,
 
Does anyone have a date for this image? The car lettering indicates it is a 40ft car - this might be one of the earlier 40ft cars around.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Furniture & Woodenware Boxcar

Furniture & Woodenware Boxcar

Does anyone have information about boxcars labeled for "woodenware"?

I can image what woodenware is. I'm just wondering how common it was to label a boxcar with the term.

http://memory.loc.gov/award/nbhips/lca/101/10143v.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Furniture & Woodenware Boxcar

Edward
 

From the 1950's to the 1960's, Walthers produced an O scale kit with decals for the Menasha Woodenware box car, as seen in that photo.
Ed Bommer

Re: Rapido Reefer Paint Color Comparison

Nelson Moyer
 

The Swift car is Rapido factory paint. The unfinished car is Tru Color Armour Yellow, and the BREX car is Tru Color WFE Yellow. WFE yellow represents newly painted car, Armour yellow represents a car in service for a few years, and the Rapido car was in answer to a question about what color of yellow or yellow-orange Swift used prior to the red scheme.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2019 6:17 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido Reefer Paint Color Comparison

 

   For what it is worth, Nelson, my eyes see your BREX car as yellow, the unfinished car in the middle as

yellow with just a little orange added and the swift car as yellow with still a bit more orange added. Is that

supposed to be the desired effect?

 

Sorry but I only caught the end of this thread, Don Valentine

Re: Furniture & Woodenware Boxcar

Dave Parker
 

Claus:

The absence of grabs/ladder on the car-end suggests pre-1911 (the SAA).  The lettering seems consistent with the oughts as well.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA

Re: Furniture & Woodenware Boxcar

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 05:30 PM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) wrote:
Does anyone have a date for this image? The car lettering indicates it is a 40ft car - this might be one of the earlier 40ft cars around.
Nothing unusual about long cars for these special use cars; they weren't meant for general freight so weren't likely to be overloaded. Another related car that totally disappeared around the turn of the twentieth century is the barrel car, meant for hauling EMPTY barrels. Link to photo below.

Dennis Storzek

http://www.petroleumhistory.org/OilHistory/images/TankCars/tc2.jpg

Re: Wilson and Armor Reefers [was Swift 6700 Series]

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Peter,

This conjures up the image in my mind of a refrigerator car loaded with tennis rackets or volley balls. A meat packer going into the sporting goods business is actually quite logical, since before the days of artificial materials most balls would have been covered with leather. Indeed AFAIK some professional-level equipment such as footballs and baseballs still are.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 6/15/19 8:15 AM, Peter Ness wrote:

Thank you, Garth.

 

I’ve come across very little reference information on Wilson & Co., so can’t provide any insight on possible car supplier operations.  From photographic evidence at least in the late 1950’s Wilson & Co reefers appear to be only slightly less present than Swift cars in Southern New England. Armour, Cudahy and others a distant third in appearance. There are numerous photos of blocks of Wilson & Co cars and also Swift cars on the New Haven’s Maybrook Line which would be the westward connection to Chicago. Likewise photos of single cars (Swift or Wilson & Co) in switching moves at local packing houses. Not so much for other meet packers. 

 

Unlike produce reefers, not many meet reefers appear in overview photos of the large yards in South Boston or Cedar Hill, indicating to me, anyway, that the meat packing fleet in Southern New England was kept busy day in and day out.  Heck, there is a photo of not one but TWO Swift stock cars being switched with two Swift reefers in the Water Street Yard in New Haven, CT in the Cornell University Digital Collection.

 

Also from photos, like Swift and Armour, Wilson & Co had a vehicle fleet to transport locally processed product in metropolitan areas from local company-owned packing houses.

 

I learned only today, from the Encyclopedia of Chicago website, that Wilson also had established a sporting goods subsidiary by 1917…yes, THAT Wilson was one and the same!

 

Peter Ness

 



Re: Furniture & Woodenware Boxcar

Roger Robar
 

Somewhere in my files I have a photo of a very similar Menasha car that is a 50’ car.   ……..  Roger Robar

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2019 8:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Furniture & Woodenware Boxcar

 

On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 12:07 PM, Charlie Vlk wrote:

Google is your friend….

I think this Wikipedia definition of “treen” that comes up in a search for “woodenware” is likely close to the intent on the car since furniture is clearly intended to be separate:

Charlie, I disagree. Here is all the definition of "woodenware" as it pertains to freightcars that you need. What it has in common with furniture is it won't "nest" so is light in weight for it's volume, necessitating an oversize freightcar. Carriages were another commodity that needed oversize cars, as were automobiles when they came along, and eventually lent their mane to the oversize cars.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Furniture & Woodenware Boxcar

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Roger and List Members,
 
The photo is likely of car MENASHA 214 which can be seen in RMJ Jul 1989 pg 46. This is available on TRAINLIFE...
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 

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Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2019 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Furniture & Woodenware Boxcar

Somewhere in my files I have a photo of a very similar Menasha car that is a 50’ car.   ……..  Roger Robar

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2019 8:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Furniture & Woodenware Boxcar

 

On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 12:07 PM, Charlie Vlk wrote:

Google is your friend….

I think this Wikipedia definition of “treen” that comes up in a search for “woodenware” is likely close to the intent on the car since furniture is clearly intended to be separate:

Charlie, I disagree. Here is all the definition of "woodenware" as it pertains to freightcars that you need. What it has in common with furniture is it won't "nest" so is light in weight for it's volume, necessitating an oversize freightcar. Carriages were another commodity that needed oversize cars, as were automobiles when they came along, and eventually lent their mane to the oversize cars.

Dennis Storzek

New Kadee Boxcar

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Good friends,

Friday I received the latest car released by Kadee, a 40' PS-1 boxcar lettered for Norfolk & Western 53124. As usual, the Kadee representation looks fabulous. I have one question though. According to Ed Hawkins' PS-1 list from 2006, this car should be equipped with a Blaw-Knox running board. Until the recently released Morton running board castings [thanks Sam!], Kadee apparently supplied Apex running boards on all their PS-1s (that's what it says on the packages I have in my parts stock). Are there major differences between Apex and Blaw-Knox running boards, or are they close enough not attract attention on an HO model?

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

Re: Furniture & Woodenware Boxcar

Dennis Storzek
 

The Master Car Builders Association and later ARA and AAR mechanical designations recognized these special purpose cars:

XF was an oversize furniture car
XAF was an Automobile and Furniture car. Remember these codes were adopted ca. 1910 and automobiles had become a major commodity by that time,
FB was a Barrel rack Flat. The dsignation was later reused for a Bulkhead Flat.

Dennis Storzek

Re: New Kadee Boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 


Google is your friend :-) Apex, Blaw-Knox and Kerrigan were all rectangular, interlocking grid style.

After 1954, Gypsum ALSO become rectangular, interlocking grid, according to this article -

https://tinyurl.com/y4s4wvas

Tim O'Connor





On 6/16/2019 9:56 AM, Garth Groff wrote:
Good friends,

Friday I received the latest car released by Kadee, a 40' PS-1 boxcar lettered for Norfolk & Western 53124. As usual, the Kadee representation looks fabulous. I have one question though. According to Ed Hawkins' PS-1 list from 2006, this car should be equipped with a Blaw-Knox running board. Until the recently released Morton running board castings [thanks Sam!], Kadee apparently supplied Apex running boards on all their PS-1s (that's what it says on the packages I have in my parts stock). Are there major differences between Apex and Blaw-Knox running boards, or are they close enough not attract attention on an HO model?

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Furniture & Woodenware Boxcar

Roger Robar
 

Thanks Claus Schlund for your reply, that is exactly the photo I was referring to.  …..  Roger Robar

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2019 9:14 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Furniture & Woodenware Boxcar

 

Hi Roger and List Members,

 

The photo is likely of car MENASHA 214 which can be seen in RMJ Jul 1989 pg 46. This is available on TRAINLIFE...

 

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2019 8:17 AM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Furniture & Woodenware Boxcar

 

Somewhere in my files I have a photo of a very similar Menasha car that is a 50’ car.   ……..  Roger Robar

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2019 8:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Furniture & Woodenware Boxcar

 

On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 12:07 PM, Charlie Vlk wrote:

Google is your friend….

I think this Wikipedia definition of “treen” that comes up in a search for “woodenware” is likely close to the intent on the car since furniture is clearly intended to be separate:

Charlie, I disagree. Here is all the definition of "woodenware" as it pertains to freightcars that you need. What it has in common with furniture is it won't "nest" so is light in weight for it's volume, necessitating an oversize freightcar. Carriages were another commodity that needed oversize cars, as were automobiles when they came along, and eventually lent their mane to the oversize cars.

Dennis Storzek

Photos: Cooperage Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

The discussion of woodenware cars took me to discussion of cooperage cars.

I found these photos on the Railroad-Line Forums.

Below are the comments by the original posters of the photos.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

++++

Posted by OK Hogger

H.D. Williams moved from Poplar Bluff, MO to Leslie, AR in the 1900s and shipped over the Missouri & North Arkansas.

++++

Posted by SAFN SAAP

A. Knabb & Co. Cooperage Car. This car is a sister to the AM Welti & Bros., 60 feet long, 10'6" high.

Little Rock Cooperage Co. It is very similar to the HD Williams Cooperage Co car.

The first is from the A M Welti Bros., out of Cleveland, OH. This is a 65' car, that is approximately 13' 6" tall, and 9" 6" wide. It has a unique three way, off center door. It opens on the top, the center, and the bottom. The indication is that there are floors in this car, otherwise there would be no reason for the hinge sets.

The second is the Hutchinson Cooperage Car. This is a 60' car, that is 11' 2" tall, and 10' wide. It is one of the few monster boxcars that existed west of the Mississippi and could not travel to the East because tunnels were not possible with it.






Accurail Soo Line Box Car 45938 Upgrade

Lester Breuer
 

I have upgraded Accurail Soo Line steel box car 45938.  The most difficult part of the upgrade was to change the molded on seven rung ladders with stiles too long to shorter ladder stiles with wire eight rung ladders on the sides and wire seven rung ladders on the ends to match the prototype ladder in photos.  If you are interested in viewing photos of finished car and writeup of the build, you can on my blog I started to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer

Re: Furniture & Woodenware Boxcar

earlyrail
 

A quick check of a coupe OER's
1900 series 8100-8199  175 cars in series

Howard Garner

Re: Furniture & Woodenware Boxcar

Charles Peck
 

How does one pack 175 cars into that number series?
Chuck Peck

On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 3:04 PM earlyrail <cascaderail@...> wrote:
A quick check of a coupe OER's
1900 series 8100-8199  175 cars in series

Howard Garner

Re: Accurail Soo Line Box Car 45938 Upgrade

Paul Doggett
 

Lester

A very nice conversion it looks really good.

Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 16 Jun 2019, at 18:59, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

I have upgraded Accurail Soo Line steel box car 45938.  The most difficult part of the upgrade was to change the molded on seven rung ladders with stiles too long to shorter ladder stiles with wire eight rung ladders on the sides and wire seven rung ladders on the ends to match the prototype ladder in photos.  If you are interested in viewing photos of finished car and writeup of the build, you can on my blog I started to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer

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