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Re: New Kadee Ordering Policies

G.J. Irwin
 

I can offer the data point that the "brother" company, Micro-Trains Line, Inc. (MTL) has had a standing order policy for most of its regular runs for, I think, as long as they became independent from Kadee in 1990.  (Keith and Dale Edwards, the "K" and "D" in Kadee, agreed to split the original Kadee into the "new" Kadee for HO and above and Micro-Trains Line for N and Z Scales, with both offering some HOn3 items.  Although I should hardly call a 29 year firm the "new" Kadee, I suppose.) 

It seems like Kadee's standing order policy might resemble Micro-Trains in that specific quantities can be tailored or body styles omitted.  MTL does allow dealers to increase quantities above standing orders if I recall correctly.  Micro-Trains does release product that is not included in standing orders, such as containers and piggyback trailers that are "in the future" for this group.   The standing order policy doesn't apply to pre-orders either.

Cheers,
George Irwin

Re: Sunshine B&O M27F

Benjamin Hom
 

Mike Schleigh wrote:
"The RMC in recent (before White River) times had an article on kit bashing these cars so missing out on Sunshine's offering is no excuse for missing out on this car."

Bob Chapman's article was in the March 2001 issue of RMC.  He used the Red Caboose 1923 proposed ARA-standard steel boxcar as a starting point.  Plus, I'm sure if enough people bug Steve Funaro, he'd be happy to offer these cars if his releases of PRR models are any indication.


Ben Hom

Re: Sunshine B&O M27F

Schleigh Mike
 

Nice model, indeed, thanks for sharing, Paul----

The RMC in recent (before White River) times had an article on kit bashing these cars so missing out on Sunshine's offering is no excuse for missing out on this car.  (I didn't find my copy of the article in my boxcar file.)  B&O listed 294 of these in their 1960 Summary.  I remember one on the E-L local serving my boyhood home in Western New York in late 1962.  Very distinctive and noticeable cars in any freight train.

Regards from very wet Grove City, Penna.----Mike Schleigh

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Hello guys
I have just finished a Sunshine B&O M27F it is awaiting light weathering.





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Re: Sunshine B&O M27F

Paul Doggett
 

Nelson

Thank you, yes Martin is sorely missed that’s for sure.

Paul

On 17 Jun 2019, at 16:37, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Nicely built and interesting car. Every time I see a unique car like, this that I know won't ever be commercially available again, I morn the demise of Sunshine.

Nelson Moyer

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Re: Sunshine B&O M27F

Nelson Moyer
 

Nicely built and interesting car. Every time I see a unique car like, this that I know won't ever be commercially available again, I morn the demise of Sunshine.

Nelson Moyer

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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Sunshine B&O M27F

Paul Doggett
 

Elden
Thank you

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On 17 Jun 2019, at 15:45, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Very, very nice model, Paul!

Elden Gatwood

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I have just finished a Sunshine B&O M27F it is awaiting light weathering.





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Re: Sunshine B&O M27F

Paul Doggett
 

Thank you Fenton.

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On 17 Jun 2019, at 16:07, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Well done Paul, a nice looking car.
Fenton

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I have just finished a Sunshine B&O M27F it is awaiting light weathering.





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Re: Sunshine B&O M27F

O Fenton Wells
 

Well done Paul, a nice looking car.
Fenton

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 10:11 AM Paul Doggett via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hello guys
I have just finished a Sunshine B&O M27F it is awaiting light weathering.





Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿





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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Sunshine B&O M27F

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Very, very nice model, Paul!

Elden Gatwood

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Sunshine B&O M27F

Paul Doggett
 

Hello guys
I have just finished a Sunshine B&O M27F it is awaiting light weathering.





Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Re: West Virginia University Freight Car Photos

Donald B. Valentine
 

Interesting. The Morgan's Louisiana & Texas boxcar has a total of six truss rods instead of the usual four.
When one looks at the weight capacity is is obvious why. It is a 100,000 lb. capacity car in an era of
40,000 lb. cars if not less.

Coridally, Don Valentine

Re: looking for drawings of Reading hopper 60000 - 60999

Alexander Schneider Jr
 

Johannes,

 

Do you know the builder of these cars? That would indicate which library is most likely to have information. For instance, Pullman Library of the Illinois Railway Museum has a majority of the drawings from Pullman and Standard Steel & Car Company, among others, while a different library in St. Louis has most of the American Car & Foundry drawings.

 

Alex Schneider

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] looking for drawings of Reading hopper 60000 - 60999

 

Hello,

one of my friends is modeling the early 20th century and is interested to build a model of one of the series of 1000 cars of 1902-built Reading wooden coal hoppers #60000 - 60999. I have a picture of #61171 after rebuilding in 1921 (and renumbering, seemingly), but likely it would be wrong to post it here as it is a book scan. I could email it, though.
Does anyone have information of these cars or can point me to some? No matter if original or modernized configuration.

Many thanks and greetings

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

looking for drawings of Reading hopper 60000 - 60999

David
 

A set of drawings is included in Eric Neubauer's "Philadelphia & Reading Freight Cars 1900-1914".

David Thompson

looking for drawings of Reading hopper 60000 - 60999

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello,

one of my friends is modeling the early 20th century and is interested to build a model of one of the series of 1000 cars of 1902-built Reading wooden coal hoppers #60000 - 60999. I have a picture of #61171 after rebuilding in 1921 (and renumbering, seemingly), but likely it would be wrong to post it here as it is a book scan. I could email it, though.
Does anyone have information of these cars or can point me to some? No matter if original or modernized configuration.

Many thanks and greetings

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

West Virginia University Freight Car Photos

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos from their West Virginia History On View website (https://wvhistoryonview.org/).

Click on the photos to enlarge them.

A search for "Freight Car" will produce even more photos, many of them either partial car photos or distant photos. And, as you would expect, there are tons of coal industry/railroad photos. Tons.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
P.S. If anyone would like to share their photos of steam and transition era flat cars and gondolas with loads, I would appreciate it.

++++

Ohio River Railroad Boxcar

https://wvhistoryonview.org/catalog/025630

Ohio River Railroad Gondola

https://wvhistoryonview.org/catalog/025631

West Virginia Shortline Railroad Gondola

https://wvhistoryonview.org/catalog/025632

IC Flat Car

https://wvhistoryonview.org/catalog/038724

Morgan's Lousiana & Texas/SP Boxcar

https://wvhistoryonview.org/catalog/025646

Eastern Kentucky Railroad Boxcar

https://wvhistoryonview.org/catalog/025647

Reading Hopper

https://wvhistoryonview.org/catalog/032349

Seaboard Boxcar

https://wvhistoryonview.org/catalog/032350

PRR Boxcar

https://wvhistoryonview.org/catalog/032351

GRCX/Koppers Tank Car

https://wvhistoryonview.org/image/032354.jpg

Western Maryland Hopper

https://wvhistoryonview.org/catalog/001988

C&O Gondola

https://wvhistoryonview.org/catalog/002038

C&O Hopper

https://wvhistoryonview.org/catalog/003501

C&O Hopper

https://wvhistoryonview.org/catalog/003502

Virginian Hopper

https://wvhistoryonview.org/catalog/004343

CRRNJ Gondola

https://wvhistoryonview.org/catalog/014655

New Kadee Ordering Policies

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Good Friends,

I've been reading through the Kadee newsletter that came with my latest pre-ordered freight car, and found they have introduced some new policies that will affect ordering in the future.

Kadee has announced that their pre-order program will end on 1 December 2019. From then on all RTR cars will be released in limited quantities. Availability will be announced via an electronic newsletter, and there will be no prior announcements.

Instead of prior orders, Kadee is opening a "standing order" program for which cars will be automatically sent and billed to a subscriber's account: https://kadee.com/standingorder.htm . Each subscriber will provide Kadee a profile of their preferences, and will have five days after the email newsletter is sent to decline (or increase) the monthly purchase.
I note that one can receive the newsletter without joining the subscription program (I did, as I don't buy many cars these days). Apparently any excess cars will be sold on a 1st come, 1st serve basis to non-standing order newsletter subscribers until stock is gone.

How this will affect the ability of our dwindling number local hobby dealers to buy and stock Kadee freight cars is not explained. That is likely covered by some separate program announced just to dealers.

O.K. I know we aren't supposed to criticize a manufacturer's business practices in this group, so I'm not, and hope the thread I'm launching here doesn't get out of hand. I'm just calling this to everyone's attention, and you can decide for yourselves whether you want to do business this way. It will be interesting to see if this is a success for Kadee. If so, we may well see other manufacturers adopt this method.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

Re: New Kadee Boxcar

Ed Hawkins
 


On Jun 16, 2019, at 8:56 AM, Garth Groff <sarahsan@...> wrote:

Friday I received the latest car released by Kadee, a 40' PS-1 boxcar lettered for Norfolk & Western 53124. As usual, the Kadee representation looks fabulous. I have one question though. According to Ed Hawkins' PS-1 list from 2006, this car should be equipped with a Blaw-Knox running board. Until the recently released Morton running board castings [thanks Sam!], Kadee apparently supplied Apex running boards on all their PS-1s (that's what it says on the packages I have in my parts stock). Are there major differences between Apex and Blaw-Knox running boards, or are they close enough not attract attention on an HO model?

Garth,
Apex Tri-lok, Blaw-Knox, Kerrigan, and the redesigned version (late-1953 to early 1954) of the U.S. Gypsum running board & brake step were all rectangular open-grid design with a similar overall appearance. The use of Blaw-Knox running boards & brake steps was relatively uncommon on PS-1 box cars with N&W being the largest user by far, possibly the only user. 

The construction & design of each type was different as explained & pictured in RP CYC Volume 16. Specifically Blaw-Knox used twisted rods for the crosswise members vs. Apex & the later-version U.S. Gypsum having flat bars for the crosswise members. 

The Kadee rectangular open-grid running board & brake step represents an Apex Tri-lok design, which has been available since the inception of their 40’ PS-1 box car model first released 22 years ago in June 1997. In HO scale the differences of the others become subtle such that Blaw-Knox & others of the rectangular-grid design are all represented by the same Kadee running board & brake step on their models. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Re: Furniture & Woodenware Boxcar

earlyrail
 

The number series of the OR&N 8155 should have been 8000 - 8199
40'; 8' 8 5/8"; 8' 5 3/4"; 50,000 cpy  in June 1905 166 cars

Howard Garner

Re: Accurail Soo Line Box Car 45938 Upgrade

Paul Doggett
 

Lester

A very nice conversion it looks really good.

Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 16 Jun 2019, at 18:59, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

I have upgraded Accurail Soo Line steel box car 45938.  The most difficult part of the upgrade was to change the molded on seven rung ladders with stiles too long to shorter ladder stiles with wire eight rung ladders on the sides and wire seven rung ladders on the ends to match the prototype ladder in photos.  If you are interested in viewing photos of finished car and writeup of the build, you can on my blog I started to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer

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Re: Furniture & Woodenware Boxcar

Charles Peck
 

How does one pack 175 cars into that number series?
Chuck Peck

On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 3:04 PM earlyrail <cascaderail@...> wrote:
A quick check of a coupe OER's
1900 series 8100-8199  175 cars in series

Howard Garner