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Re: Mid-Century Boxcars & Boxcar Models

Bruce Smith
 

Schuyler,

Not at that directory (note, when I have the same question, I usually backtrack to the directory the file is in, in this case http://www.foxvalleydivision.org/fvd2016/imagesfvd2016/clinicdata/, which has a nice listing of clinics.)

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Jun 30, 2019, at 9:28 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

Is there a V1 available?
 
Schuyler
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 12:51 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Mid-Century Boxcars & Boxcar Models
 
Mid-Century Boxcars & Boxcar Models
In case some of you have not seen this document from the Fox Valley Division of the NMRA:
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



Bowser Parts Run - an offer.

Brian Carlson
 

I apologize for the cross-posting but I wanted to get this out to several lists. On a few lists we’ve discussed parts and how oftentimes shipping is much more than the parts.  This coming Saturday (July 6th) I am making a run to English’s Hobby Shop (Bowser) in Montoursville. Later in July I will be attending the St. Louis RPM for the first time.  I’m willing to pick up parts and deliver to St Louis RPM if anyone needs 1 or 2 things. My intent is to help those who may need 1 or 2 things from the Bowser parts catalog, trucks, a cal-scale brass part etc etc. My intent is not to pick up 6 H21 hoppers is circle keystone and 6 more in shadow keystone.  If you have a request like that you can justify the shipping costs.

 

Now the shelves in the back are known to have interesting things on them so I’ll entertain looking for some older items. Email me OFF LIST

 

If anyone wants to take me up on the offer email me OFF LIST at prrk41361_at_yahoo_dot_com. Please use BOWSER Parts in the subject so I can sort email.  Please include part number and a description at a minimum.

 

Some additional answers to questions that may follow.

  • No, I am not going to Chicago RPM so I won’t be able to deliver there.
  • Will I mail parts, maybe we can discuss OFF LIST  
  • Again, if you have a long list, you can probably justify the shipping, but we can discuss OFF LIST

 

Lastly, remember to contact me OFF LIST, I don’t want to annoy 3 list owners, the food in the RealSTMFC jail is horrible, and the PRRPRO jail food is almost as bad. 

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 


Re: Wartime reefers on Cajon

Spen Kellogg <spninetynine@...>
 

On 6/30/2019 5:54 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
John Barry wrote:

In both versions, the color balance seems "right" to me based on the shed and station sign.  That said, I'm surprised by how "yellow" the 2nd PFE car appears, I would have expected a more orange hue.  Perhaps it faded through exposure and washings. 

     I don't know that I agree, John, it reads as light orange to me. But the dirt on the other reefers reminds us that most of our reefer fleets are too clean -- yes, I'm channeling Richard Hendrickson here . . .

If that photo is from the early 20s (and I haven't checked to see when the cab forward could have been available), then perhaps that reefer was in the original color scheme.

Spen Kellogg


Re: Mid-Century Boxcars & Boxcar Models

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Is there a V1 available?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 12:51 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Mid-Century Boxcars & Boxcar Models

 

Mid-Century Boxcars & Boxcar Models

In case some of you have not seen this document from the Fox Valley Division of the NMRA:

http://www.foxvalleydivision.org/fvd2016/imagesfvd2016/clinicdata/Mid-Century%20Boxcars%20V2.pdf

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Wartime reefers on Cajon

John Barry
 

Tony,

I do agree that we need a LOT more weathering! At least in the war era. I really liked the contrast on the ART reefer where the brakies have rubbed off the grime behind the grab irons. The first PFE looks like it could have been dipped in a wash of India ink.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 


PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736

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On Sun, 6/30/19, Tony Thompson <tony@signaturepress.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wartime reefers on Cajon
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Date: Sunday, June 30, 2019, 7:54 PM

John Barry wrote:
In both versions, the
color balance seems "right" to me based on the
shed and station sign.  That said, I'm surprised by how
"yellow" the 2nd PFE car appears, I would have
expected a more orange hue.  Perhaps it faded through
exposure and
washings. 
     I don't know that I
agree, John, it reads as light orange to me. But the dirt on
the other reefers reminds us that most of our reefer fleets
are too clean -- yes, I'm channeling Richard Hendrickson
here . . .

Tony
Thompsontony@signaturepress.com


Re: Wartime reefers on Cajon

Tom Madden
 

On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 06:38 PM, rwitt_2000 wrote:
Steve,

I cut and pasted the URL to a new browser window and it worked fine whereas clicking on the hyperlink did not.
Correct. The <.jpg> at the end of the link isn't included in the clickable part.

Tom madden


Re: Wartime reefers on Cajon

rwitt_2000
 

Steve,

I cut and pasted the URL to a new browser window and it worked fine whereas clicking on the hyperlink did not.

Bob Witt


Re: Wartime reefers on Cajon

mopacfirst
 

I too get a 404 error.  And Shorpy directly is often freezing, so I haven't gotten to that image directly, but I've been close.  That could be my internet connection, so I might try tomorrow.

Ron Merrick


Re: Wartime reefers on Cajon

 

Worked fine for me. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Jun 30, 2019, at 7:12 PM, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

Hi John,

The Shorpy image link isn't working for me.  Do you have it correctly?

Thanks,
Steve Hile

-----Original Message-----
From: John Barry
Sent: Jun 30, 2019 12:30 PM
To: STMFC , Cajon Pass LIST
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Wartime reefers on Cajon

In one of the few instances where I would point you at Shorpy rather than the original at the Library of Congress is a retouched version of Jack Delano's color photo of a UP Challenger at Alray with a string of reefers, hatches open for ventilation.  https://www.shorpy.com/files/images/1a34754u2.jpg

The original scan at LOC has a crack/tear that runs diagonally across most of the photo https://cdn.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsac/1a34000/1a34700/1a34754v.jpg.  You can see where it has been repaired in the Shorpy with a slight distortion of the corner adjacent to the NP Monad on the second car.  

In both versions, the color balance seems "right" to me based on the shed and station sign.  That said, I'm surprised by how "yellow" the 2nd PFE car appears, I would have expected a more orange hue.  Perhaps it faded through exposure and washings.  It must be on it's first trip after a pass through the wash line as it has no weathering.  Contrast the ART behind it with the heavy coat of grime and wear around the grabs.  Also of note in the 1943 image, is that both of the visible PFE's have the UP Overland Herald, even though the "plain" color Herald became the standard in 42.  Further evidence that the clean car was recently washed and not repainted.  The other interesting observation is that only 40% of the visible cars are PFE in what looks like a GFX block originating with the UP in SoCal:  PFE, NP, PFE, ART, BREX.  It looks as if the order "pooling" the refrigerator car fleet has been fully implemented here.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


Re: Wartime reefers on Cajon

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Hi John,

The Shorpy image link isn't working for me.  Do you have it correctly?

Thanks,
Steve Hile

-----Original Message-----
From: John Barry
Sent: Jun 30, 2019 12:30 PM
To: STMFC , Cajon Pass LIST
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Wartime reefers on Cajon

In one of the few instances where I would point you at Shorpy rather than the original at the Library of Congress is a retouched version of Jack Delano's color photo of a UP Challenger at Alray with a string of reefers, hatches open for ventilation.  https://www.shorpy.com/files/images/1a34754u2.jpg

The original scan at LOC has a crack/tear that runs diagonally across most of the photo https://cdn.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsac/1a34000/1a34700/1a34754v.jpg.  You can see where it has been repaired in the Shorpy with a slight distortion of the corner adjacent to the NP Monad on the second car.  

In both versions, the color balance seems "right" to me based on the shed and station sign.  That said, I'm surprised by how "yellow" the 2nd PFE car appears, I would have expected a more orange hue.  Perhaps it faded through exposure and washings.  It must be on it's first trip after a pass through the wash line as it has no weathering.  Contrast the ART behind it with the heavy coat of grime and wear around the grabs.  Also of note in the 1943 image, is that both of the visible PFE's have the UP Overland Herald, even though the "plain" color Herald became the standard in 42.  Further evidence that the clean car was recently washed and not repainted.  The other interesting observation is that only 40% of the visible cars are PFE in what looks like a GFX block originating with the UP in SoCal:  PFE, NP, PFE, ART, BREX.  It looks as if the order "pooling" the refrigerator car fleet has been fully implemented here.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


Re: Wartime reefers on Cajon

Tony Thompson
 

John Barry wrote:

In both versions, the color balance seems "right" to me based on the shed and station sign.  That said, I'm surprised by how "yellow" the 2nd PFE car appears, I would have expected a more orange hue.  Perhaps it faded through exposure and washings. 

     I don't know that I agree, John, it reads as light orange to me. But the dirt on the other reefers reminds us that most of our reefer fleets are too clean -- yes, I'm channeling Richard Hendrickson here . . .

Tony Thompson




Re: Private: Re: InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

James E Kubanick
 

Please ignore my previous email as it was meant to go only to the local MRR club.

Jim Kubanick

On Sunday, June 30, 2019, 10:17:18 AM EDT, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:


Hello Tim,
 
many thanks! Will save that mail and use when needed.
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 29. Juni 2019 um 18:30 Uhr
Von: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...>
An: "George Toman" <gtws00@...>, main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Private: Re: InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

George asked me offline but in case anyone else is not aware -

GROUPS.IO makes searching the archive 100x more convenient than the old Yahoo search.

Here is a simple search for DURYEA - 662 messages founded instantly.

https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/search?q=duryea

Tim O'Connor


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On 6/29/2019 7:28 AM, George Toman wrote:
Morning Tim,
 
Could you tell me what you mean by the STMFC Archive and how I may access it?
 
Thanks
 
George Toman 
 

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photos: Many Early 1900s Freight Cars

Eric Lombard
 

Thanks for sharing the further information on the images, Dave. It clarifies things a bit and that helps. 
Eric

On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 4:35 PM Dave Parker via Groups.Io <spottab=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
The same link was posted over on the B&M group, where Scott Whitney subsequently claimed ownership of the Dropbox account (part of his NMRO operation).

Almost all of the same images have been released on a CD by a company called WLHG out of Methuen, MA (purchased mine through ebay).  Those images have a WLHG watermark (and are all in sepia tones).

As to any IP or copyright issues, or whom to credit for the photos, well....

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Wartime reefers on Cajon

John Barry
 

In one of the few instances where I would point you at Shorpy rather than the original at the Library of Congress is a retouched version of Jack Delano's color photo of a UP Challenger at Alray with a string of reefers, hatches open for ventilation.  https://www.shorpy.com/files/images/1a34754u2.jpg

The original scan at LOC has a crack/tear that runs diagonally across most of the photo https://cdn.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsac/1a34000/1a34700/1a34754v.jpg.  You can see where it has been repaired in the Shorpy with a slight distortion of the corner adjacent to the NP Monad on the second car.  

In both versions, the color balance seems "right" to me based on the shed and station sign.  That said, I'm surprised by how "yellow" the 2nd PFE car appears, I would have expected a more orange hue.  Perhaps it faded through exposure and washings.  It must be on it's first trip after a pass through the wash line as it has no weathering.  Contrast the ART behind it with the heavy coat of grime and wear around the grabs.  Also of note in the 1943 image, is that both of the visible PFE's have the UP Overland Herald, even though the "plain" color Herald became the standard in 42.  Further evidence that the clean car was recently washed and not repainted.  The other interesting observation is that only 40% of the visible cars are PFE in what looks like a GFX block originating with the UP in SoCal:  PFE, NP, PFE, ART, BREX.  It looks as if the order "pooling" the refrigerator car fleet has been fully implemented here.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


Re: Duryea underframe resin parts photo

John Barry
 

Tom,

The original Duryea design had "open" cross bearers as shown in the photo on Gene's proto 48 blog https://www.proto48.org/images/articles/art07-07-1500.jpg. The Bx-26 class built in 1936 and the Bx-27 built in 1937 were delivered in that configuration.  At some time prior to the Bx-34 class constructed in 1940, the design was "improved" with "closed" pressed steel cross bearers.  John Dobyne speculates that it was due to a structural weakness in the "open" frames.  This seems likely, as at some point, Santa Fe welded steel plates between the upper and lower pieces of the cross bearers on the Bx-26 & 27.  The Speedwitch kit correctly models the fiddly bits of the "early" aka "open" underframe with separate parts for the vertical angle irons that you the modeler add during assembly.  The Sunshine has these cast integrally with the rest of the cross bearer.  

Several plastic manufacturers have also produced models with Duryea underframes.  The Tangent riveted gondola has excellent extended coupler pockets that are sometimes available as part of separate sprues.  They offer a quick and easy way to improve the look of a Bx-27 or 34 without replacing the rest of the underframe.  Athearn makes a very nice 50' "closed" Duryea underframe that is under their 50 foot Santa Fe ice reefer.  That can be cut and spliced to work for a complete late 40' underframe. 


John

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Saturday, June 29, 2019, 03:11:44 PM EDT, Tom Madden via Groups.Io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:


Here's an image showing the Sunshine and Pennington Duryea underframe mini-kit parts, and the Speedwitch B&O M-26D/E and ATSF Bx-26 Duryea parts. They are all different. As Bill Darnaby mentioned, the Sunshine set will build either the early or late versions, however that's defined.The Speedwitch Santa Fe set has a couple pieces missing because the car is under construction, but the cross-members are shown. 

Tom Madden


Re: looking for drawings of Reading hopper 60000 - 60999

Bob Webber
 

In the FWIW dept. we *should* have the Middleton Car drawings.  St. Louis *MAY* have the AC&F drawings.   We haven't really looked for anything Middleton for a couple of years, might be entertaining to look.

We have early (1904-1909) P&R drawings for box cars, gondolas & hoppers - those were all Standard Steel tho. 

At 09:21 AM 6/30/2019, vapeurchapelon wrote:

60600-60799 May-Sep by Middletown Car Works

Bob Webber


Re: looking for drawings of Reading hopper 60000 - 60999

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Steve,
 
many thanks for the link! Saved it, and eventually I will contact Eric.
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 22. Juni 2019 um 21:16 Uhr
Von: "steve_wintner via Groups.Io" <steve_wintner@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] looking for drawings of Reading hopper 60000 - 60999
I found this website : http://www.ericsrailroadcarhistory.com/

Maybe of use to you.

Steve


Re: looking for drawings of Reading hopper 60000 - 60999

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Tony,
 
this definitely helps! Many thanks!
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 22. Juni 2019 um 22:40 Uhr
Von: "anthony wagner" <anycw1@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] looking for drawings of Reading hopper 60000 - 60999
 
According to the Reading Modeler site HTb 60000-60599 were built Mar-Aug 1902 by ACF, 60600-60799 May-Sep by Middletown Car Works, and 60800-60999 May-Sep 1902 by Lebanon Manufacturing. 864 cars were rebuilt Feb-Oct 1921 to 61000-61863 HTk by ACF with steel center sills but still with 40Ton Fox trucks. They were retired between 1927 and 1934 but 264 cars were converted to ash service as HTkx in the 90000 and 91000 series except 4 cars sold to Atlantic City Railway in 1927 as 10261-10263 HTkx ash cars. Hope this helps Tony Wagner

On Saturday, June 22, 2019, 2:17:01 PM CDT, steve_wintner via Groups.Io <steve_wintner@...> wrote:
 
 
I found this website : http://www.ericsrailroadcarhistory.com/

Maybe of use to you.

Steve


Re: Private: Re: InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Tim,
 
many thanks! Will save that mail and use when needed.
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 29. Juni 2019 um 18:30 Uhr
Von: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...>
An: "George Toman" <gtws00@...>, main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Private: Re: InterMountain HO Scale 1937 AAR Boxcars with Square Corners

George asked me offline but in case anyone else is not aware -

GROUPS.IO makes searching the archive 100x more convenient than the old Yahoo search.

Here is a simple search for DURYEA - 662 messages founded instantly.

https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/search?q=duryea

Tim O'Connor


===============================


On 6/29/2019 7:28 AM, George Toman wrote:
Morning Tim,
 
Could you tell me what you mean by the STMFC Archive and how I may access it?
 
Thanks
 
George Toman 
 

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Rare Find

David
 

https://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/det/item/2016813911/

The hopper on the right is is one of 1100 PRR class GL built by AC&F on Lot 2571, presumably because Pressed Steel couldn't get their orders out the door fast enough. AC&F also built 300 GL for Lines West on Lot 2856.

David Thompson

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