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Re: Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Bruce Smith
 

R-40-2 or R-40-4... model in HO with the Tichy car.  I'm working on etching the shield to recreate these cars.


Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL




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Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 5:02 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer
 

Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Looks like this is one of the metal shields that was screwed or bolted on to the reefer car side:

https://www.facebook.com/Radio.WW2/photos/a.2031299693782683/2031307443781908/?type=3&theater

www.facebook.com
WW2 RADIO added a new photo.

The hood over the tender's rear light probably makes this a World War II era photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Looks like this is one of the metal shields that was screwed or bolted on to the reefer car side:

https://www.facebook.com/Radio.WW2/photos/a.2031299693782683/2031307443781908/?type=3&theater

The hood over the tender's rear light probably makes this a World War II era photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Soo Line Box Car 45398

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 12:11 PM, O Fenton Wells wrote:
Nice looking cars Lester, when did the SOO go to the large block lettering?
Not to steal Lester's thunder on a very nice model, but to answer your question, very late 1951. The model has a 10-51 NEW date, and I know the art was prepared from a photo. The "billboard" SOO LINE went through three iterations in very rapid succession; this scheme with the SOO and LINE close to the door was the first, followed by spreading them out for better visual balance, but still high on the car side, followed by moving the lettering down so it would line up with the same scheme applied to the earlier 10'-0" and 9'-4" IH cars when they were eventually repainted. Lester's last pointer to his blog had a link to a photo of the second iteration, and it had an 11-51 NEW date. I don't think anyone has ever been able to compile a list of all the car numbers for each version, this was one continuous building program at North Fond du Lac, but the output was assigned to either the Soo, or subsidiary Wisconsin Central seemingly at random, since I believe there are known examples of all three iterations in both number series. Anyway, once the lettering was in the lower spread out position it stayed that way, but about 1957 the style of the S was changed to have a horizontal, rather than angled, center bar.

More than you wanted to know, I'm sure.

Dennis Storzek 

Re: Soo Line Box Car 45398

Lester Breuer
 

Fenton asked, “ when did the Soo Line go to the large block lettering?”
In the “Soo Line Freight Equipment and Cabooses” book by Ken Soroos it states, “the billboard Soo Line lettering was first introduced on new box cars in 1951.”  The large block lettering began with a slant in the middle bar of the  “S” in Soo and I believe  it became straight across in 1959.
Lester Breuer

Manhattan Freight Cars

jace6315
 

One today perhaps doesn't normally equate the island of Manhattan with freight, much less rail freight, but at one time the Hudson River side was all but covered in tracks. Freight trains were such a presence and considered such a menace that the city undertook several major projects to at least minimize their visual impact, covering up and separating the west side line from as much as possible. Of course, long term shifts in manufacturing, competition by truckers and containerization completely wiped out rail freight traffic in Manhattan eventually leading to the complete closure of the line in 1980. Fortunately however, those city projects left behind a wonderful photographic record of a long lost Manhattan, now preserved in the New York City Municipal archives where one can find photos of the NYC 60th Street yard chock full of freight cars of many a variety: 






Gondolas carrying what is likely a very pungent load (that's a cattle barge in the background): http://nycma.lunaimaging.com/luna/servlet/detail/RECORDSPHOTOUNITARC~30~30~912022~120668:bpm_0408-c09




Jim Matthews




   

Re: Wartime reefers on Cajon

John Barry
 

Ah, overexposure of the one clean car while the rest of the image is right.  Film and eyes playing tricks on my mind.  Thanks for confirming the orange tone that "looked" yellow to me.  

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Monday, July 1, 2019, 3:51:36 PM EDT, Dave Nelson <Lake_Muskoka@...> wrote:


I pulled the image into my art software and sampled that reefer.  The pixels are all a lighter version of orange.  When I adjust the tone by darkening it by 15% the result is ~PFE orange (see attached image).

Dave Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Barry
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2019 10:31 AM
To: STMFC; Cajon Pass LIST
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Wartime reefers on Cajon

 

That said, I'm surprised by how "yellow" the 2nd PFE car appears, I would have expected a more orange hue.  Perhaps it faded through exposure and washings

 

Re: Wartime reefers on Cajon

Dave Nelson
 

I pulled the image into my art software and sampled that reefer.  The pixels are all a lighter version of orange.  When I adjust the tone by darkening it by 15% the result is ~PFE orange (see attached image).

Dave Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Barry
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2019 10:31 AM
To: STMFC; Cajon Pass LIST
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Wartime reefers on Cajon

 

That said, I'm surprised by how "yellow" the 2nd PFE car appears, I would have expected a more orange hue.  Perhaps it faded through exposure and washings

 

Re: Soo Line Box Car 45398

O Fenton Wells
 

Nice looking cars Lester, when did the SOO go to the large block lettering?
Fenton Wells

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 9:38 AM Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

I have upgraded a plastic Front Range Soo Line steel box car 45398.  The upgrade included replacing running boards, seven rung ladders with plastic eight rung ladders on the sides and seven rung ladders on the ends to match the prototype ladders in photos.  And, underbody rework.  If you are interested in viewing photos of finished car and writeup of the build, you can on my blog I started to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: Wartime reefers on Cajon

Bruce Smith
 

John,

Film response is not linear across all wavelengths. As a consequence, color balance may look good but individual colors may still be off. In addition, the Shorpy photo has undergone significant editing, so, the freshly washed car may or may not be accurately depicted ;)

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Jul 1, 2019, at 10:37 AM, John Barry <northbaylines@...> wrote:

Spen,

It's a Jack Delano photo from his 1943 trip for OWI on the Santa Fe.  I'm not saying the freshly washed PFE car wasn't orange, just that to my eye, it was less so than I would have expected.  

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



Re: Santa Fe Reefer Icing Folio

Tim O'Connor
 

NO WAY did the Santa Fe run 62 hour produce trains from Bakersfield to Chicago,
as the caption claims.

I recall a TRAINS magazine article in the 1950's that followed a potato train from
the San Joaquin valley to Chicago - it took over 100 hours, perhaps 120 hours. I read
the article 50 years ago, but I remember being struck by how SLOWLY the "expedited"
train ran - But to be sure, it ran faster than other freight traffic of that era.

Tim O'Connor

On 7/1/2019 11:55 AM, rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io wrote:
Santa Fe Icing operations.

https://paulv99.zenfolio.com/p423164220

Not sure if this was posted earlier, but I couldn't find it in the archives.

Bob Witt
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Santa Fe Reefer Icing Folio

rwitt_2000
 

Santa Fe Icing operations.

https://paulv99.zenfolio.com/p423164220

Not sure if this was posted earlier, but I couldn't find it in the archives.

Bob Witt

Re: Wartime reefers on Cajon

John Barry
 

Spen,

It's a Jack Delano photo from his 1943 trip for OWI on the Santa Fe.  I'm not saying the freshly washed PFE car wasn't orange, just that to my eye, it was less so than I would have expected.  

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Sunday, June 30, 2019, 10:43:33 PM EDT, Spen Kellogg <spninetynine@...> wrote:


On 6/30/2019 5:54 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
John Barry wrote:

In both versions, the color balance seems "right" to me based on the shed and station sign.  That said, I'm surprised by how "yellow" the 2nd PFE car appears, I would have expected a more orange hue.  Perhaps it faded through exposure and washings. 

     I don't know that I agree, John, it reads as light orange to me. But the dirt on the other reefers reminds us that most of our reefer fleets are too clean -- yes, I'm channeling Richard Hendrickson here . . .

If that photo is from the early 20s (and I haven't checked to see when the cab forward could have been available), then perhaps that reefer was in the original color scheme.

Spen Kellogg

PRR project groups, X37 and X38

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

The PRR Project Group (https://groups.io/g/PRRPro) is starting project #33 today, the PRR’s X37 and X38 classes of boxcar. For those of you not familiar with PRRPro, it is a group designed to help encourage modelers to build PRR models. The group is not a “follow the leader” type of clinic, but is intended to be more a of CO-OP, with members contributing photos, comments and questions from their builds. While the majority of builders on the X37/38 project will likely be workin on Sunshine and F&C kits in HO scale, all scales are welcome! As always, posts to PRRPro on past projects are absolutely allowed, but posts on any project other than one the group has done or is doing are strictly not allowed.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




Soo Line Box Car 45398

Lester Breuer
 

I have upgraded a plastic Front Range Soo Line steel box car 45398.  The upgrade included replacing running boards, seven rung ladders with plastic eight rung ladders on the sides and seven rung ladders on the ends to match the prototype ladders in photos.  And, underbody rework.  If you are interested in viewing photos of finished car and writeup of the build, you can on my blog I started to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer

Re: Mid-Century Boxcars & Boxcar Models

Bruce Smith
 

Schuyler,

Not at that directory (note, when I have the same question, I usually backtrack to the directory the file is in, in this case http://www.foxvalleydivision.org/fvd2016/imagesfvd2016/clinicdata/, which has a nice listing of clinics.)

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Jun 30, 2019, at 9:28 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

Is there a V1 available?
 
Schuyler
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 12:51 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Mid-Century Boxcars & Boxcar Models
 
Mid-Century Boxcars & Boxcar Models
In case some of you have not seen this document from the Fox Valley Division of the NMRA:
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Bowser Parts Run - an offer.

Brian Carlson
 

I apologize for the cross-posting but I wanted to get this out to several lists. On a few lists we’ve discussed parts and how oftentimes shipping is much more than the parts.  This coming Saturday (July 6th) I am making a run to English’s Hobby Shop (Bowser) in Montoursville. Later in July I will be attending the St. Louis RPM for the first time.  I’m willing to pick up parts and deliver to St Louis RPM if anyone needs 1 or 2 things. My intent is to help those who may need 1 or 2 things from the Bowser parts catalog, trucks, a cal-scale brass part etc etc. My intent is not to pick up 6 H21 hoppers is circle keystone and 6 more in shadow keystone.  If you have a request like that you can justify the shipping costs.

 

Now the shelves in the back are known to have interesting things on them so I’ll entertain looking for some older items. Email me OFF LIST

 

If anyone wants to take me up on the offer email me OFF LIST at prrk41361_at_yahoo_dot_com. Please use BOWSER Parts in the subject so I can sort email.  Please include part number and a description at a minimum.

 

Some additional answers to questions that may follow.

  • No, I am not going to Chicago RPM so I won’t be able to deliver there.
  • Will I mail parts, maybe we can discuss OFF LIST  
  • Again, if you have a long list, you can probably justify the shipping, but we can discuss OFF LIST

 

Lastly, remember to contact me OFF LIST, I don’t want to annoy 3 list owners, the food in the RealSTMFC jail is horrible, and the PRRPRO jail food is almost as bad. 

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 

Re: Wartime reefers on Cajon

Spen Kellogg <spninetynine@...>
 

On 6/30/2019 5:54 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
John Barry wrote:

In both versions, the color balance seems "right" to me based on the shed and station sign.  That said, I'm surprised by how "yellow" the 2nd PFE car appears, I would have expected a more orange hue.  Perhaps it faded through exposure and washings. 

     I don't know that I agree, John, it reads as light orange to me. But the dirt on the other reefers reminds us that most of our reefer fleets are too clean -- yes, I'm channeling Richard Hendrickson here . . .

If that photo is from the early 20s (and I haven't checked to see when the cab forward could have been available), then perhaps that reefer was in the original color scheme.

Spen Kellogg

Re: Mid-Century Boxcars & Boxcar Models

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Is there a V1 available?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 12:51 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Mid-Century Boxcars & Boxcar Models

 

Mid-Century Boxcars & Boxcar Models

In case some of you have not seen this document from the Fox Valley Division of the NMRA:

http://www.foxvalleydivision.org/fvd2016/imagesfvd2016/clinicdata/Mid-Century%20Boxcars%20V2.pdf

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Wartime reefers on Cajon

John Barry
 

Tony,

I do agree that we need a LOT more weathering! At least in the war era. I really liked the contrast on the ART reefer where the brakies have rubbed off the grime behind the grab irons. The first PFE looks like it could have been dipped in a wash of India ink.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 


PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736

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On Sun, 6/30/19, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wartime reefers on Cajon
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Date: Sunday, June 30, 2019, 7:54 PM

John Barry wrote:
In both versions, the
color balance seems "right" to me based on the
shed and station sign.  That said, I'm surprised by how
"yellow" the 2nd PFE car appears, I would have
expected a more orange hue.  Perhaps it faded through
exposure and
washings. 
     I don't know that I
agree, John, it reads as light orange to me. But the dirt on
the other reefers reminds us that most of our reefer fleets
are too clean -- yes, I'm channeling Richard Hendrickson
here . . .

Tony
Thompsontony@...

Re: Wartime reefers on Cajon

Tom Madden
 

On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 06:38 PM, rwitt_2000 wrote:
Steve,

I cut and pasted the URL to a new browser window and it worked fine whereas clicking on the hyperlink did not.
Correct. The <.jpg> at the end of the link isn't included in the clickable part.

Tom madden