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Re: Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Bruce Smith
 

0.005" brass sheet. Etching is being considered as you can get the exact edge needed. Cutting it is too difficult for my big hands and weakening eyes 😉


Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL




From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 8:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer
 

Won't it have to be incredibly thin? Almost like a foil thickness. But rigid too.



On 7/1/2019 7:46 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:

R-40-2 or R-40-4... model in HO with the Tichy car.  I'm working on etching the shield to recreate these cars.


Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL




From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...>
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 5:02 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer
 

Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Looks like this is one of the metal shields that was screwed or bolted on to the reefer car side:

https://www.facebook.com/Radio.WW2/photos/a.2031299693782683/2031307443781908/?type=3&theater

WW2 RADIO added a new photo.

The hood over the tender's rear light probably makes this a World War II era photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Bill Welch
 

. . .and I am working on a pattern for the wood sheathed roof.

Bill Welch


Re: Soo Line Box Car 45398

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 06:13 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Attached
are photos of 45450 and 137096 in their original paint schemes from the
SAME MONTH - November 1951.
45450 is the second iteration of the "billboard block" lettering, after the words were spread out for visual balance but before they were lowered. W.C. owned 13096 was built within weeks of Lester's 45398, part of the same production run. 

One other thing, after this program finished, when the next homebuilds started in 1953, no more black ends... on repaints either.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Tim O'Connor
 

That sounds good. And then apply Tichy decals, which simulate the thickness of
the enamel coating. ;-)

Tim

On 7/1/2019 9:08 PM, steve_wintner via Groups.Io wrote:
I used some.002 brass shim for similar sheet metal Central Vermont shields. Per F&C instructions. Worked well, cut cleanly with an Xacto, stayed flat. Maybe .003. something like that.
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Tim O'Connor
 


Won't it have to be incredibly thin? Almost like a foil thickness. But rigid too.



On 7/1/2019 7:46 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:

R-40-2 or R-40-4... model in HO with the Tichy car.  I'm working on etching the shield to recreate these cars.


Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL




From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...>
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 5:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer
 

Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Looks like this is one of the metal shields that was screwed or bolted on to the reefer car side:

https://www.facebook.com/Radio.WW2/photos/a.2031299693782683/2031307443781908/?type=3&theater

WW2 RADIO added a new photo.

The hood over the tender's rear light probably makes this a World War II era photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Tim O'Connor
 


Amazing, I've never seen a photo of one so late. Rare by the 1940's I think.


On 7/1/2019 6:02 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Looks like this is one of the metal shields that was screwed or bolted on to the reefer car side:

https://www.facebook.com/Radio.WW2/photos/a.2031299693782683/2031307443781908/?type=3&theater

The hood over the tender's rear light probably makes this a World War II era photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Soo Line Box Car 45398

Tim O'Connor
 

Soo Line box car paint and lettering are a subject of study. Attached
are photos of 45450 and 137096 in their original paint schemes from the
SAME MONTH - November 1951. Also attached 45948 with a 7-1954 paint date
and 43490 as 12-1956 repaint.

Tim O'

On 7/1/2019 5:07 PM, Lester Breuer wrote:
Fenton asked, “ when did the Soo Line go to the large block lettering?”
In the “Soo Line Freight Equipment and Cabooses” book by Ken Soroos it states, “the billboard Soo Line lettering was first introduced on new box cars in 1951.”  The large block lettering began with a slant in the middle bar of the  “S” in Soo and I believe  it became straight across in 1959.
Lester Breuer
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

steve_wintner
 

I used some.002 brass shim for similar sheet metal Central Vermont shields. Per F&C instructions. Worked well, cut cleanly with an Xacto, stayed flat. Maybe .003. something like that. 


Re: Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 7/1/2019 4:46 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:
 I'm working on etching the shield to recreate these cars.

    I used .005 styrene with decals on a couple of cars.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
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Re: Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Bruce Smith
 

R-40-2 or R-40-4... model in HO with the Tichy car.  I'm working on etching the shield to recreate these cars.


Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL




From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...>
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 5:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer
 

Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Looks like this is one of the metal shields that was screwed or bolted on to the reefer car side:

https://www.facebook.com/Radio.WW2/photos/a.2031299693782683/2031307443781908/?type=3&theater

www.facebook.com
WW2 RADIO added a new photo.

The hood over the tender's rear light probably makes this a World War II era photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Looks like this is one of the metal shields that was screwed or bolted on to the reefer car side:

https://www.facebook.com/Radio.WW2/photos/a.2031299693782683/2031307443781908/?type=3&theater

The hood over the tender's rear light probably makes this a World War II era photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Soo Line Box Car 45398

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 12:11 PM, O Fenton Wells wrote:
Nice looking cars Lester, when did the SOO go to the large block lettering?
Not to steal Lester's thunder on a very nice model, but to answer your question, very late 1951. The model has a 10-51 NEW date, and I know the art was prepared from a photo. The "billboard" SOO LINE went through three iterations in very rapid succession; this scheme with the SOO and LINE close to the door was the first, followed by spreading them out for better visual balance, but still high on the car side, followed by moving the lettering down so it would line up with the same scheme applied to the earlier 10'-0" and 9'-4" IH cars when they were eventually repainted. Lester's last pointer to his blog had a link to a photo of the second iteration, and it had an 11-51 NEW date. I don't think anyone has ever been able to compile a list of all the car numbers for each version, this was one continuous building program at North Fond du Lac, but the output was assigned to either the Soo, or subsidiary Wisconsin Central seemingly at random, since I believe there are known examples of all three iterations in both number series. Anyway, once the lettering was in the lower spread out position it stayed that way, but about 1957 the style of the S was changed to have a horizontal, rather than angled, center bar.

More than you wanted to know, I'm sure.

Dennis Storzek 


Re: Soo Line Box Car 45398

Lester Breuer
 

Fenton asked, “ when did the Soo Line go to the large block lettering?”
In the “Soo Line Freight Equipment and Cabooses” book by Ken Soroos it states, “the billboard Soo Line lettering was first introduced on new box cars in 1951.”  The large block lettering began with a slant in the middle bar of the  “S” in Soo and I believe  it became straight across in 1959.
Lester Breuer


Manhattan Freight Cars

jace6315
 

One today perhaps doesn't normally equate the island of Manhattan with freight, much less rail freight, but at one time the Hudson River side was all but covered in tracks. Freight trains were such a presence and considered such a menace that the city undertook several major projects to at least minimize their visual impact, covering up and separating the west side line from as much as possible. Of course, long term shifts in manufacturing, competition by truckers and containerization completely wiped out rail freight traffic in Manhattan eventually leading to the complete closure of the line in 1980. Fortunately however, those city projects left behind a wonderful photographic record of a long lost Manhattan, now preserved in the New York City Municipal archives where one can find photos of the NYC 60th Street yard chock full of freight cars of many a variety: 






Gondolas carrying what is likely a very pungent load (that's a cattle barge in the background): http://nycma.lunaimaging.com/luna/servlet/detail/RECORDSPHOTOUNITARC~30~30~912022~120668:bpm_0408-c09




Jim Matthews




   


Re: Wartime reefers on Cajon

John Barry
 

Ah, overexposure of the one clean car while the rest of the image is right.  Film and eyes playing tricks on my mind.  Thanks for confirming the orange tone that "looked" yellow to me.  

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Monday, July 1, 2019, 3:51:36 PM EDT, Dave Nelson <Lake_Muskoka@...> wrote:


I pulled the image into my art software and sampled that reefer.  The pixels are all a lighter version of orange.  When I adjust the tone by darkening it by 15% the result is ~PFE orange (see attached image).

Dave Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Barry
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2019 10:31 AM
To: STMFC; Cajon Pass LIST
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Wartime reefers on Cajon

 

That said, I'm surprised by how "yellow" the 2nd PFE car appears, I would have expected a more orange hue.  Perhaps it faded through exposure and washings

 


Re: Wartime reefers on Cajon

Dave Nelson
 

I pulled the image into my art software and sampled that reefer.  The pixels are all a lighter version of orange.  When I adjust the tone by darkening it by 15% the result is ~PFE orange (see attached image).

Dave Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Barry
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2019 10:31 AM
To: STMFC; Cajon Pass LIST
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Wartime reefers on Cajon

 

That said, I'm surprised by how "yellow" the 2nd PFE car appears, I would have expected a more orange hue.  Perhaps it faded through exposure and washings

 


Re: Soo Line Box Car 45398

O Fenton Wells
 

Nice looking cars Lester, when did the SOO go to the large block lettering?
Fenton Wells

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 9:38 AM Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

I have upgraded a plastic Front Range Soo Line steel box car 45398.  The upgrade included replacing running boards, seven rung ladders with plastic eight rung ladders on the sides and seven rung ladders on the ends to match the prototype ladders in photos.  And, underbody rework.  If you are interested in viewing photos of finished car and writeup of the build, you can on my blog I started to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: Wartime reefers on Cajon

Bruce Smith
 

John,

Film response is not linear across all wavelengths. As a consequence, color balance may look good but individual colors may still be off. In addition, the Shorpy photo has undergone significant editing, so, the freshly washed car may or may not be accurately depicted ;)

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Jul 1, 2019, at 10:37 AM, John Barry <northbaylines@...> wrote:

Spen,

It's a Jack Delano photo from his 1943 trip for OWI on the Santa Fe.  I'm not saying the freshly washed PFE car wasn't orange, just that to my eye, it was less so than I would have expected.  

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736




Re: Santa Fe Reefer Icing Folio

Tim O'Connor
 

NO WAY did the Santa Fe run 62 hour produce trains from Bakersfield to Chicago,
as the caption claims.

I recall a TRAINS magazine article in the 1950's that followed a potato train from
the San Joaquin valley to Chicago - it took over 100 hours, perhaps 120 hours. I read
the article 50 years ago, but I remember being struck by how SLOWLY the "expedited"
train ran - But to be sure, it ran faster than other freight traffic of that era.

Tim O'Connor

On 7/1/2019 11:55 AM, rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io wrote:
Santa Fe Icing operations.

https://paulv99.zenfolio.com/p423164220

Not sure if this was posted earlier, but I couldn't find it in the archives.

Bob Witt
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Santa Fe Reefer Icing Folio

rwitt_2000
 

Santa Fe Icing operations.

https://paulv99.zenfolio.com/p423164220

Not sure if this was posted earlier, but I couldn't find it in the archives.

Bob Witt

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