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Re: Soo Line Box Car 45398

Lester Breuer
 

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 09:10 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
As this Soo car was a Front Range 40' car, notice it had, as all of those F.R. cars had, 1955 Banana taper improved Dreadnaught ends. ......So any car being modeled with a build date precedeing 1955 would have the wrong ends with this car.
Andy I was aware when I upgraded this car as the previous upgraded one based on photos that it should have dreadnaught ends of “rolling pin” design which are quite visible in the photo of Soo Line photo 45450 making the cars upgraded  “stand ins.”  I still have a couple of kits in inventory to build.  My question, “If you were to cut the ends off and replace them, whose commercial ends could be used?  And, whose would you use?”
Lester Breuer




 
 


Re: Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Bill Welch
 

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 09:29 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
That sounds good. And then apply Tichy decals, which simulate the
thickness of
the enamel coating. ;-)

Tim
Or simply apply the Tichy decals. Since they refuse to snuggle they will look like metal.

Bill Welch


On 7/1/2019 9:08 PM, steve_wintner via Groups.Io wrote:
I used some.002 brass shim for similar sheet metal Central Vermont
shields. Per F&C instructions. Worked well, cut cleanly with an Xacto,
stayed flat. Maybe .003. something like that.

--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Manhattan Freight Cars

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Very nice presentation, Jim! Would make for a great RPM presentation.

Elden Gatwood

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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Manhattan Freight Cars

One today perhaps doesn't normally equate the island of Manhattan with freight, much less rail freight, but at one time the Hudson River side was all but covered in tracks. Freight trains were such a presence and considered such a menace that the city undertook several major projects to at least minimize their visual impact, covering up and separating the west side line from as much as possible. Of course, long term shifts in manufacturing, competition by truckers and containerization completely wiped out rail freight traffic in Manhattan eventually leading to the complete closure of the line in 1980. Fortunately however, those city projects left behind a wonderful photographic record of a long lost Manhattan, now preserved in the New York City Municipal archives where one can find photos of the NYC 60th Street yard chock full of freight cars of many a variety:

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Dimensional loads from 1906: Blockedhttp://nycma.lunaimaging.com/luna/servlet/detail/RECORDSPHOTOUNITARC~30~30~1026885~160195:bpm_1690-128


A Wilson Car Lines reefer: Blockedhttp://nycma.lunaimaging.com/luna/servlet/detail/RECORDSPHOTOUNITARC~13~13~1543128~153319:bps_11158


A variety of wooden boxcars: Blockedhttp://nycma.lunaimaging.com/luna/servlet/detail/RECORDSPHOTOUNITARC~30~30~1027275~160243:bpm_1690-194


And steel: Blockedhttp://nycma.lunaimaging.com/luna/servlet/detail/RECORDSPHOTOUNITARC~35~35~1426818~142796:dpr_01352


Gondolas carrying what is likely a very pungent load (that's a cattle barge in the background): Blockedhttp://nycma.lunaimaging.com/luna/servlet/detail/RECORDSPHOTOUNITARC~30~30~912022~120668:bpm_0408-c09


A cut of coal cars: Blockedhttp://nycma.lunaimaging.com/luna/servlet/detail/RECORDSPHOTOUNITARC~13~13~1484156~148616:bps_04827


Milk cars (they are freight cars, no?): Blockedhttp://nycma.lunaimaging.com/luna/servlet/detail/RECORDSPHOTOUNITARC~30~30~904273~119352:bpm_0277-11


And reefers: Blockedhttp://nycma.lunaimaging.com/luna/servlet/detail/RECORDSPHOTOUNITARC~30~30~1027156~160227:bpm_1690-170


Jim Matthews


Re: Soo Line Box Car 45398

Jack Mullen
 

Here are some other photos of the scene, showing the spur where the car got away. Sometimes Google is your friend if you're patient and persistent. ;^)
https://www.westernrailimages.com/Mopac/Mopac-Missouri-Pacific-Railway/i-SvRPt5L
https://www.westernrailimages.com/Mopac/Mopac-Missouri-Pacific-Railway/i-6FrRHnV/A
You can scroll to  more photos of this incident. 

The second car, a CNW riveted PS-1, seems to have had one truck off the end of the track and been rerailed before the photographer got there.

Jack Mullen


Re: Soo Line Box Car 45398

Jack Mullen
 

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 07:52 PM, Charles Peck wrote:
Does anyone know the story behind the Soo Line car out in the street with one truck almost out and the other shoved up way under?
The displaced trucks are suggestive of a car that's gone over a bumping post or other end-of-track obstacle.

Jack Mullen


Re: Soo Line Box Car 45398

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 07:52 PM, Charles Peck wrote:
Does anyone know the story behind the Soo Line car out in the street with one truck almost out and the other shoved up way under?
I seem to recall it was a switching accident in St. Louis. The spur dropped down from an elevated ROW (note shadow of bridge in foreground). The car got away and went over the wheel stops at the end of the track and out into the street.

Dennis Storzek


Soo Line Box Car 45398

Andy Carlson
 

As this Soo car was a Front Range 40' car, notice it had, as all of those F.R. cars had, 1955 Banana taper improved Dreadnaught ends. The tooling for this F.R. car was sold to Red Caboose (The 50' steel F.R. car's tooling ended up in Accurail's possistion).
So any car being modeled with a build date precedeing 1955 would have the wrong ends with this car. When Red Caboose acquired this tooling, they retooled the doors and ladders and bracket grabs. (The sales were so low that I was told RC never recaptured their investment). I was never a fan of FR's improved Youngstown doors and feel that the RC doors are arguably the best 6' and 8' IYDs in HO-horray!

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA where low 80 highs all this week makes this early summer time quite enjoyable.


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Re: Soo Line Box Car 45398

Charles Peck
 

Does anyone know the story behind the Soo Line car out in the street with one truck almost out and the other shoved up way under?
Chuck Peck

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 9:14 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Soo Line box car paint and lettering are a subject of study. Attached
are photos of 45450 and 137096 in their original paint schemes from the
SAME MONTH - November 1951. Also attached 45948 with a 7-1954 paint date
and 43490 as 12-1956 repaint.

Tim O'



On 7/1/2019 5:07 PM, Lester Breuer wrote:
> Fenton asked, “ when did the Soo Line go to the large block lettering?”
> In the “Soo Line Freight Equipment and Cabooses” book by Ken Soroos it
> states, “the billboard Soo Line lettering was first introduced on new
> box cars in 1951.”  The large block lettering began with a slant in
> the middle bar of the  “S” in Soo and I believe  it became straight
> across in 1959.
> Lester Breuer


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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*




Re: Soo Line Box Car 45398

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 06:50 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
45450 is the second iteration of the "billboard block" lettering, after the words were spread out for visual balance but before they were lowered. W.C. owned 13096 was built within weeks of Lester's 45398, part of the same production run. 
Just thought to check the Ken Soroos Soo freight cars book. It contains a photo of WC owned 137190, also built 11-51, in the second iteration, proving that all three variations of the lettering scheme were represented in both number series, but how many cars is anybody's guess.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Bruce Smith
 

Removal started in 1937 according to the "bible". So by 1942, these were definitely getting rare, but obviously not extinct. I plan, in modeling 1944, to have one car so equipped of a reasonable PFE fleet (20 or so cars at least)


Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL




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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer
 

Amazing, I've never seen a photo of one so late. Rare by the 1940's I think.


On 7/1/2019 6:02 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Looks like this is one of the metal shields that was screwed or bolted on to the reefer car side:

https://www.facebook.com/Radio.WW2/photos/a.2031299693782683/2031307443781908/?type=3&theater

The hood over the tender's rear light probably makes this a World War II era photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Bruce Smith
 

0.005" brass sheet. Etching is being considered as you can get the exact edge needed. Cutting it is too difficult for my big hands and weakening eyes 😉


Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL




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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer
 

Won't it have to be incredibly thin? Almost like a foil thickness. But rigid too.



On 7/1/2019 7:46 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:

R-40-2 or R-40-4... model in HO with the Tichy car.  I'm working on etching the shield to recreate these cars.


Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL




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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer
 

Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Looks like this is one of the metal shields that was screwed or bolted on to the reefer car side:

https://www.facebook.com/Radio.WW2/photos/a.2031299693782683/2031307443781908/?type=3&theater

WW2 RADIO added a new photo.

The hood over the tender's rear light probably makes this a World War II era photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



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Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Bill Welch
 

. . .and I am working on a pattern for the wood sheathed roof.

Bill Welch


Re: Soo Line Box Car 45398

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 06:13 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Attached
are photos of 45450 and 137096 in their original paint schemes from the
SAME MONTH - November 1951.
45450 is the second iteration of the "billboard block" lettering, after the words were spread out for visual balance but before they were lowered. W.C. owned 13096 was built within weeks of Lester's 45398, part of the same production run. 

One other thing, after this program finished, when the next homebuilds started in 1953, no more black ends... on repaints either.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Tim O'Connor
 

That sounds good. And then apply Tichy decals, which simulate the thickness of
the enamel coating. ;-)

Tim

On 7/1/2019 9:08 PM, steve_wintner via Groups.Io wrote:
I used some.002 brass shim for similar sheet metal Central Vermont shields. Per F&C instructions. Worked well, cut cleanly with an Xacto, stayed flat. Maybe .003. something like that.
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*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Tim O'Connor
 


Won't it have to be incredibly thin? Almost like a foil thickness. But rigid too.



On 7/1/2019 7:46 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:

R-40-2 or R-40-4... model in HO with the Tichy car.  I'm working on etching the shield to recreate these cars.


Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL




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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer
 

Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Looks like this is one of the metal shields that was screwed or bolted on to the reefer car side:

https://www.facebook.com/Radio.WW2/photos/a.2031299693782683/2031307443781908/?type=3&theater

WW2 RADIO added a new photo.

The hood over the tender's rear light probably makes this a World War II era photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Tim O'Connor
 


Amazing, I've never seen a photo of one so late. Rare by the 1940's I think.


On 7/1/2019 6:02 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Looks like this is one of the metal shields that was screwed or bolted on to the reefer car side:

https://www.facebook.com/Radio.WW2/photos/a.2031299693782683/2031307443781908/?type=3&theater

The hood over the tender's rear light probably makes this a World War II era photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Soo Line Box Car 45398

Tim O'Connor
 

Soo Line box car paint and lettering are a subject of study. Attached
are photos of 45450 and 137096 in their original paint schemes from the
SAME MONTH - November 1951. Also attached 45948 with a 7-1954 paint date
and 43490 as 12-1956 repaint.

Tim O'

On 7/1/2019 5:07 PM, Lester Breuer wrote:
Fenton asked, “ when did the Soo Line go to the large block lettering?”
In the “Soo Line Freight Equipment and Cabooses” book by Ken Soroos it states, “the billboard Soo Line lettering was first introduced on new box cars in 1951.”  The large block lettering began with a slant in the middle bar of the  “S” in Soo and I believe  it became straight across in 1959.
Lester Breuer
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

steve_wintner
 

I used some.002 brass shim for similar sheet metal Central Vermont shields. Per F&C instructions. Worked well, cut cleanly with an Xacto, stayed flat. Maybe .003. something like that. 


Re: Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 7/1/2019 4:46 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:
 I'm working on etching the shield to recreate these cars.

    I used .005 styrene with decals on a couple of cars.

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Re: Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Bruce Smith
 

R-40-2 or R-40-4... model in HO with the Tichy car.  I'm working on etching the shield to recreate these cars.


Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL




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To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer
 

Photo: Metal Shield On PFE Reefer

Looks like this is one of the metal shields that was screwed or bolted on to the reefer car side:

https://www.facebook.com/Radio.WW2/photos/a.2031299693782683/2031307443781908/?type=3&theater

www.facebook.com
WW2 RADIO added a new photo.

The hood over the tender's rear light probably makes this a World War II era photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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