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Re: B&O M55 A and B boxcars

steve_wintner
 

For the M55c, that looks like a lot like a  Murphy Panel roof to me. Perhaps a plastic roof could be substituted ?

As for the M55a - I think I have seen a drawing for the M55a roof - Dennis Storzek posted it on a group because the Soo had some similar roofs. Maybe this one, maybe the Soo group. 

Steve

Re: Photo: Northern Refrigerator Car

spsalso
 

The next two boxcars have interesting roof hatches.

Ed

Edward Sutorik

Re: B&O M55 A and B boxcars

Tony Thompson
 

Scott McDonald wrote:

I have a Sunshine M-55 kit I partially built.  The roof doesnt even come close width wise to fit.  Probably a full 1/8 inch to narrow.  I understand I can fill in the gap with styrene but then it doesnt look anything like the car.  So it went up on the shelf of shame and been there ever since.  I will revisit it someday though.  It has the cool sentinel decals.

     Why not split the roof, put the 1/8-inch there, and re-assemble? It would be under the running board and hard to see, if not invisible.

Tony Thompson



Re: B&O M55 A and B boxcars

Scott
 

Here is a link to Teds blog that had some information and a couple of pictures of an M-55a.

http://prototopics.blogspot.com/2019/01/wordy-wednesday-baltimore-ohio-1937-aar.html?m=1

I have a Sunshine M-55 kit I partially built.  The roof doesnt even come close width wise to fit.  Probably a full 1/8 inch to narrow.  I understand I can fill in the gap with styrene but then it doesnt look anything like the car.  So it went up on the shelf of shame and been there ever since.  I will revisit it someday though.  It has the cool sentinel decals.

Scott McDonald

Re: Janney couplers full and 3/4 size

Randy Hees
 

As you suggested, most (all?) California and Nevada narrow gauge lines used 3/4 size knuckle couplers (if they used knuckles).  The exception being the NCO, which purchased used cars from the F&CC which came with full size (size D) couplers.  For a short period of time the NCO converted one end of the "new" cars to 3/4 size and ran them in pairs.  The Pacific Coast Ry used 3/4 size.

Of course, the Carter Brothers, who closed their factory in Newark CA installed link and pin draw heads on the cars they built (passenger cars were mostly equipped with Miller Couplers).  Knuckles were fitted to the cars later by the various railroads.  The SP owned Carson & Colorado used SAM "safety link & pin" couplers during the Tonopah boom, and the F&CC cars were equipped with SAMs when built.

Randy Hees

Re: Photo: CP Boxcar 242550

Ken Adams
 

That image is well worth saving as a point of reference when building models. It is so clear and clean an image.

Re: Photo: Northern Refrigerator Car

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

Photo: Northern Refrigerator Car
Looks like this reefer is in ventilator service. Notice the location of the hatch plug.
I assume this was common for a two-piece hatch cover. I've just never seen an example before. This would make an interesting model.

   Usually the hatch plug was attached with a chain so it wouldn't fall off, something evidently at risk in this photo (unless the chains are wrapped around the inboard side of the hatch covers). Later the plugs were hinged (separately from the hatch cover), so both could be latched up in ventilator service.
    Note the relatively small angle of opening of the hatch cover. This is something modelers often get wrong, opening the hatch to 45 degrees or more.

Tony Thompson



Photo: Northern Refrigerator Car

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Northern Refrigerator Car

Looks like this reefer is in ventilator service. Notice the location of the hatch plug.

https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017839485/

I assume this was common for a two-piece hatch cover. I've just never seen an example before. This would make an interesting model.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Janney couplers full and 3/4 size

Richard Wilkens
 

Andy,

You might post your question on the Narrow Gauge Discussion Forum:

http://ngdiscussion.net/phorum/list.php?1

Rich Wilkens

Re: B&O M55 A and B boxcars

Eric Hansmann
 

Quite a few B&O modelers have wanted an accurate M-55 for many years. There were a few paint and lettering schemes. The Sunshine Models kits were the only HO versions I’m aware of.

https://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun81.pdf

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 10:33 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O M55 A and B boxcars

 

Thanks so much, Bob.  I ran into the drawings at the Pullman Library yesterday and they looked quite interesting.  Has there ever been an HO model of one of these?  I think they could be an interesting resin project.

 

Thanks again,

Steve

 


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Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2019 2:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O M55 A and B boxcars

Steve,

Bob's Photo has some photos and there are construction photos at the Pullman Museum site. The link are in the attached word document.

Regards,

Bob Witt

Re: B&O M55 A and B boxcars

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Thanks so much, Bob.  I ran into the drawings at the Pullman Library yesterday and they looked quite interesting.  Has there ever been an HO model of one of these?  I think they could be an interesting resin project.
 
Thanks again,
Steve



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Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2019 2:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O M55 A and B boxcars

Steve,

Bob's Photo has some photos and there are construction photos at the Pullman Museum site. The link are in the attached word document.

Regards,

Bob Witt

Janney couplers full and 3/4 size

Andy Carlson
 

Hello-

For years I have had an understanding that the use of Janney style of safety couplers in narrow gauge RRs consisted of either standard gauge sizes, such as on the D&RGW narrow gauge equipment, or 3/4 size such as many of the Carter Brothers freight and passenger cars for use in California. Considering few, if any, California narrow gauge RRs interchanged, coupler size was only important if the whole fleet were set up the same.

I have been trying to verify my ideas by internet searches, and I have come up zero for any answers to my questions.

So my idea that Colorado Narrow Gauge fleets were equipped with standard sized couplers and California's lines were mostly 3/4 sized be confirmed? I know that a Western RR, the 3' gauge Nevada California & Oregon, acquired several cars and locomotives from the Florence & Cripple Creek RR, a Colorado 3' gauge line. Did these cars require swapping reduced couplers to be used on the NCO, or were both standard coupler sized already? Of most importance to me is to answer which sized couplers were in use by the mid-coast California narrow gauge railroad, the Pacific Coast Ry.

Any help is appreciated, and, btw, happy 4th!

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Re: B&O M55 A and B boxcars

william darnaby
 

HI Steve,

The 1950 Car Builders has plans for this car in the UF section not the boxcar section if I remember correctly.

I will see if I have a photo copy here at the lake.

Bill Darnaby



On Thursday, July 4, 2019, 10:25:57 AM CDT, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:


I am looking for a photo or two of these cars, built in 1941, 900 with original Duryea underframes and 100 with improved Duryea underframes.  Any pointers would be appreciated.
 
Happy Independence Day!!
 
Steve Hile

Re: B&O M55 A and B boxcars

rwitt_2000
 

This maybe a better link as the earlier one is almost 10 years old.

Bob Witt

Photo: CP Boxcar 242550

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: CP Boxcar 242550

An end shot with very clear detail:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-28-19/X7177.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: B&O M55 A and B boxcars

rwitt_2000
 

Steve,

Bob's Photo has some photos and there are construction photos at the Pullman Museum site. The link are in the attached word document.

Regards,

Bob Witt

B&O M55 A and B boxcars

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I am looking for a photo or two of these cars, built in 1941, 900 with original Duryea underframes and 100 with improved Duryea underframes.  Any pointers would be appreciated.
 
Happy Independence Day!!
 
Steve Hile

For Sale: Westerfield X23 box car HO

Matthew Hurst
 

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Re: New England Rail Service Pullman Sun Room windows No. 205

Matthew Hurst
 

Don,

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I am need of Pullman Parts.

Thank you,

Matthew Hurst



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New England Rail Service Pullman Sun Room windows No. 205

O Fenton Wells
 

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