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Re: Janney couplers full and 3/4 size

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 11:42 AM, Randy Hees wrote:
The exception being the NCO, which purchased used cars from the F&CC which came with full size (size D) couplers.
That reference to ARA Type D couplers adds more confusion, because the Type D, and all other couplers designed around the ARA No.10 knuckle contour were actually bigger than what would be a "full size" coupler in the context of the turn of the century when the narrow gauge cars were built. The Type D was 12" from the pulling face to the back of the striker horn, whereas the couplers that used the MCB contour were typically 9-1/4", yet in their day these MCB couplers were "full size". The ARA No.10 contour was also shaped different than the older MCB contour, but designed to work with it.

That being said, back in that day the foundries did offer couplers that were proportionally smaller versions of that contour, both 3/4 size and 1/2 size, the later used on mine cars and the like. The 3/4 size found some favor with various narrow gauge lines, and were indeed non-compatible with the "full size" version, as evidenced by this East Broad Top car used around the coal prep plant that is set up to couple with cars of either gauge:

EBT adapter car

Dennis Storzek


Re: B&O M55 A and B boxcars

william darnaby
 

Are you sure the roof is too narrow and not the ends to wide?  I have seen both in resin kits.  Compare against a stock AAR boxcar or plans before doing anything drastic.

Bill Darnaby



On Friday, July 5, 2019, 02:15:23 PM CDT, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


Scott McDonald wrote:

I have a Sunshine M-55 kit I partially built.  The roof doesnt even come close width wise to fit.  Probably a full 1/8 inch to narrow.  I understand I can fill in the gap with styrene but then it doesnt look anything like the car.  So it went up on the shelf of shame and been there ever since.  I will revisit it someday though.  It has the cool sentinel decals.

     Why not split the roof, put the 1/8-inch there, and re-assemble? It would be under the running board and hard to see, if not invisible.

Tony Thompson




Re: B&O M55 A and B boxcars

william darnaby
 

The 49-50 Car Builders has the M55A plans on page 302 that illustrate the unique roof contour as well as the late Duryea UF. 

Bill Darnaby




On Friday, July 5, 2019, 03:05:43 PM CDT, steve_wintner via Groups.Io <steve_wintner@...> wrote:


For the M55c, that looks like a lot like a  Murphy Panel roof to me. Perhaps a plastic roof could be substituted ?

As for the M55a - I think I have seen a drawing for the M55a roof - Dennis Storzek posted it on a group because the Soo had some similar roofs. Maybe this one, maybe the Soo group. 

Steve


looking for drawings of Reading hopper 60000 - 60999

David
 

One more source: October 24, 1902 Railway Age, p. 428
https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Railway_Age.html?id=n8A6AQAAMAAJ

David Thompson


Re: Photo: CP Boxcar 242550

Douglas Harding
 

And notice the square shaft on the brake wheel. Where is Bill Welch with his reel of square wire now that I see proof that I need some?

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: CP Boxcar 242550

 

Bob wrote:

 

“Photo: CP Boxcar 242550 An end shot”

 

Note that the gear within the makeshift housing at the bottom of the shaft appears to have broken and was forced off center (to the left).

 

The “B” end of the car seems OK.  There may have been damage to the car, lading or an injury to a carman?

 

Guy Wilber

Reno, Nevada


Re: Janney couplers full and 3/4 size

Nick Gully
 

Not all of Colorado was full size couplers.
The Colorado & Southern, Colorado & North Western, used 3/4 size couplers.
The Florence & Cripple Creek and Uintah Ry did as well I think.

My guess would be that the Rio Grande was either too cheap to order NG-only couplers, or was dealing with large coal trains over Marshall Pass and wanted a stronger knuckle.

Best Regards,
 Nick Gully


Thanks: Janney couplers full and 3/4 size

Andy Carlson
 

That verifies my understandings. Also quite nice for me and my choice of couplers for my Pacific Coast narrow gauge models. Thanks Randy,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Friday, July 5, 2019, 11:42:53 AM PDT, Randy Hees <randyhees@...> wrote:


As you suggested, most (all?) California and Nevada narrow gauge lines used 3/4 size knuckle couplers (if they used knuckles).  The exception being the NCO, which purchased used cars from the F&CC which came with full size (size D) couplers.  For a short period of time the NCO converted one end of the "new" cars to 3/4 size and ran them in pairs.  The Pacific Coast Ry used 3/4 size.

Of course, the Carter Brothers, who closed their factory in Newark CA installed link and pin draw heads on the cars they built (passenger cars were mostly equipped with Miller Couplers).  Knuckles were fitted to the cars later by the various railroads.  The SP owned Carson & Colorado used SAM "safety link & pin" couplers during the Tonopah boom, and the F&CC cars were equipped with SAMs when built.

Randy Hees


Re: Photo: CP Boxcar 242550

Guy Wilber
 

Bob wrote:

“Photo: CP Boxcar 242550 An end shot”

Note that the gear within the makeshift housing at the bottom of the shaft appears to have broken and was forced off center (to the left).

The “B” end of the car seems OK.  There may have been damage to the car, lading or an injury to a carman?

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: B&O M55 A and B boxcars

steve_wintner
 

https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/album?id=43505

The photos are of a Soo car, which did not have the lower end panel, but the drawing does have the lower ends. I think it's a match for the M55a.


Re: B&O M55 A and B boxcars

steve_wintner
 

For the M55c, that looks like a lot like a  Murphy Panel roof to me. Perhaps a plastic roof could be substituted ?

As for the M55a - I think I have seen a drawing for the M55a roof - Dennis Storzek posted it on a group because the Soo had some similar roofs. Maybe this one, maybe the Soo group. 

Steve


Re: Photo: Northern Refrigerator Car

spsalso
 

The next two boxcars have interesting roof hatches.

Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: B&O M55 A and B boxcars

Tony Thompson
 

Scott McDonald wrote:

I have a Sunshine M-55 kit I partially built.  The roof doesnt even come close width wise to fit.  Probably a full 1/8 inch to narrow.  I understand I can fill in the gap with styrene but then it doesnt look anything like the car.  So it went up on the shelf of shame and been there ever since.  I will revisit it someday though.  It has the cool sentinel decals.

     Why not split the roof, put the 1/8-inch there, and re-assemble? It would be under the running board and hard to see, if not invisible.

Tony Thompson




Re: B&O M55 A and B boxcars

Scott
 

Here is a link to Teds blog that had some information and a couple of pictures of an M-55a.

http://prototopics.blogspot.com/2019/01/wordy-wednesday-baltimore-ohio-1937-aar.html?m=1

I have a Sunshine M-55 kit I partially built.  The roof doesnt even come close width wise to fit.  Probably a full 1/8 inch to narrow.  I understand I can fill in the gap with styrene but then it doesnt look anything like the car.  So it went up on the shelf of shame and been there ever since.  I will revisit it someday though.  It has the cool sentinel decals.

Scott McDonald


Re: Janney couplers full and 3/4 size

Randy Hees
 

As you suggested, most (all?) California and Nevada narrow gauge lines used 3/4 size knuckle couplers (if they used knuckles).  The exception being the NCO, which purchased used cars from the F&CC which came with full size (size D) couplers.  For a short period of time the NCO converted one end of the "new" cars to 3/4 size and ran them in pairs.  The Pacific Coast Ry used 3/4 size.

Of course, the Carter Brothers, who closed their factory in Newark CA installed link and pin draw heads on the cars they built (passenger cars were mostly equipped with Miller Couplers).  Knuckles were fitted to the cars later by the various railroads.  The SP owned Carson & Colorado used SAM "safety link & pin" couplers during the Tonopah boom, and the F&CC cars were equipped with SAMs when built.

Randy Hees


Re: Photo: CP Boxcar 242550

Ken Adams
 

That image is well worth saving as a point of reference when building models. It is so clear and clean an image.


Re: Photo: Northern Refrigerator Car

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

Photo: Northern Refrigerator Car
Looks like this reefer is in ventilator service. Notice the location of the hatch plug.
I assume this was common for a two-piece hatch cover. I've just never seen an example before. This would make an interesting model.

   Usually the hatch plug was attached with a chain so it wouldn't fall off, something evidently at risk in this photo (unless the chains are wrapped around the inboard side of the hatch covers). Later the plugs were hinged (separately from the hatch cover), so both could be latched up in ventilator service.
    Note the relatively small angle of opening of the hatch cover. This is something modelers often get wrong, opening the hatch to 45 degrees or more.

Tony Thompson




Photo: Northern Refrigerator Car

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Northern Refrigerator Car

Looks like this reefer is in ventilator service. Notice the location of the hatch plug.

https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017839485/

I assume this was common for a two-piece hatch cover. I've just never seen an example before. This would make an interesting model.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Janney couplers full and 3/4 size

Richard Wilkens
 

Andy,

You might post your question on the Narrow Gauge Discussion Forum:

http://ngdiscussion.net/phorum/list.php?1

Rich Wilkens


Re: B&O M55 A and B boxcars

Eric Hansmann
 

Quite a few B&O modelers have wanted an accurate M-55 for many years. There were a few paint and lettering schemes. The Sunshine Models kits were the only HO versions I’m aware of.

https://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun81.pdf

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 10:33 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O M55 A and B boxcars

 

Thanks so much, Bob.  I ran into the drawings at the Pullman Library yesterday and they looked quite interesting.  Has there ever been an HO model of one of these?  I think they could be an interesting resin project.

 

Thanks again,

Steve

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2019 2:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] B&O M55 A and B boxcars

Steve,

Bob's Photo has some photos and there are construction photos at the Pullman Museum site. The link are in the attached word document.

Regards,

Bob Witt


Re: B&O M55 A and B boxcars

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Thanks so much, Bob.  I ran into the drawings at the Pullman Library yesterday and they looked quite interesting.  Has there ever been an HO model of one of these?  I think they could be an interesting resin project.
 
Thanks again,
Steve



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2019 2:09 PM
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Steve,

Bob's Photo has some photos and there are construction photos at the Pullman Museum site. The link are in the attached word document.

Regards,

Bob Witt

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