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Re: Handbrakes

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 04:08 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
?? these were around since the 1930's if not earlier
Yes, the 1931 CBC identifies that as a Klasing Safety Handbrake, Wheel Type. But the point is, it's obvious, with that large gear housing at the eave line, it won't be mistaken for the old time 'stem winders'. It also uses a chain, rod and bell crank rather than a simple brake staff. My point was a reasonable number of vertical staff hand brakes also used reduction gearing, but the gearing was almost hid under the end sill.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Handbrakes

Bill Welch
 

The C&O also had a similar geared brake design, an example can be found on Erie 1932 boxcars also w/square brake staff.

Bill Welch


Re: Handbrakes

Tim O'Connor
 


?? these were around since the 1930's if not earlier


On 7/6/2019 4:36 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

"Many vertical shaft/horizontal wheel installations had gearing to assist the brakeman in applying the brakes and would therefore have been considered "allowed" under these rules."
Yes...two examples from my own files. The first photo is from 1957 and the second no earlier than 1960.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

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Tim O'Connor
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Re: Photo: Santa Fe Gondola

Tim O'Connor
 


If the 1950 date is only slightly off, this could be a builder photo of a Ga-76 mill gondola
built in 1951. These were the first ATSF 65 foot mill gondolas built at Topeka.

Tim O'Connor



On 7/6/2019 2:22 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Photo: Santa Fe Gondola

Fairly good interior shot of unidentified drop-end gondola from the Kansas State Historical Society taken in 1950:

https://www.kansasmemory.org/item/50620

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: looking for drawings of Reading hopper 60000 - 60999

ed_mines
 

I'm a little late to the show but at one time (1940s?) a man with a name something like Wisswasser offered O scale drawings of many RDG cars. I bought several in the '80s or '90s through the RDG society.
Sadly, all of my prints were destroyed in a flood.


Re: Handbrakes

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 06:38 AM, Bruce Smith wrote:
As a reminder to some of our list members, geared (or "power") handbrakes does NOT mean exclusively horizontal shaft/vertical wheel handbrakes. Many vertical shaft/horizontal wheel installations had gearing to assist the brakeman in applying the brakes and would therefore have been considered "allowed" under these rules.
Yes, they were quite wide spread and hard to spot, since unlike Bob Chaparro's example which had the reduction gearing up at the roof eave, most examples brought the brake staff all the way down to the end sill, and tucked the reduction gearing beneath the sill. Anexample would be the CP "mini box" recently discussed:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-28-19/X7177.jpg

I've also found similar gear on a 1926 Soo Line box:



And also on the Soo's 1936 copies of the 1932 ARA car:



Note this later car also has a square brake staff.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: Santa Fe Gondola

charles slater
 

Assuming that is a Santa Fe gondola, it would be either a Ga-91 class car numbered 168400-168549 built in 1955 by Santa Fe or a Ga-103 class car numbered 168150-168399 also built be Santa Fe in 1958. It would be nice if there was a car number for the car. Those are the only two classes of mill gondolas with that type of ends.
Charlie Slater

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Photo: Santa Fe Gondola

Fairly good interior shot of unidentified drop-end gondola from the Kansas State Historical Society taken in 1950:

https://www.kansasmemory.org/item/50620

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: looking for drawings of Reading hopper 60000 - 60999

vapeurchapelon
 

Many thanks, David.

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

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Betreff: [RealSTMFC] looking for drawings of Reading hopper 60000 - 60999

One more source: October 24, 1902 Railway Age, p. 428
https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Railway_Age.html?id=n8A6AQAAMAAJ

David Thompson





Re: Photo: Santa Fe Gondola

Jack Mullen
 

The end view appears to show the narrow width characteristic of 65' mill gons, such as the Ga-70.

Jack Mullen


Re: Photos: Santa Fe Gondola 175309

David Soderblom
 

I find it interesting that the “ATSF" and number were sprayed onto the steel diagonal braces. That seems very unusual, and I don’t recall seeing that before: the reporting marks were always on the siding alone and never on the bracing.

David Soderblom
Baltimore MD


Re: Photo: CP Boxcar 242550

mrvant@rogers.com
 

Note also that the “minibox” sides do not meet flush with the ends. There is an L shape up along the join on each side. An article on building them from the F&C Kit in Jan 2004 RMC. It was part of Ted Culotta’s Essential Freight Cars-9. The True Line Trains RTR model got this detail correct also.

This was a great clear photo. Thanks.

Malcolm Vant


Re: Photo: Santa Fe Gondola

Jake Schaible
 

Bob - from my incomplete collection of loose ATSF 211/4 folio sheets, her "end knees" and pressed steel sides looks to be from the GA-68 to 70 class (as well as perhaps later) first issued in 1949 by Pressed Steel Car Company.  Date would seem to fit as well.  My guess is that it is the longer GA-70 (truck center of 56'10 3/4") vs the shorter GA-68/69 (43'6 3/4")  But again, this is only a guess as I have the drwgs with ends as modified in 1977. 

Happy hunting...


Re: Handbrakes

Bob Chaparro
 

"Many vertical shaft/horizontal wheel installations had gearing to assist the brakeman in applying the brakes and would therefore have been considered "allowed" under these rules."
Yes...two examples from my own files. The first photo is from 1957 and the second no earlier than 1960.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Photos: Santa Fe Gondola 175309

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: Santa Fe Gondola 175309

Four photos from the Kansas State Historical Society taken in 1960:

https://www.kansasmemory.org/item/310193

Click on the photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Santa Fe Flat Car 92395

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Santa Fe Flat Car 92395

Fair photo from the Kansas State Historical Society of a

Class Ft-N flat car taken in 1958:

https://www.kansasmemory.org/item/51166

Click on the photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Santa Fe Gondola

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Santa Fe Gondola

Fairly good interior shot of unidentified drop-end gondola from the Kansas State Historical Society taken in 1950:

https://www.kansasmemory.org/item/50620

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: CP Boxcar 242550

John Riddell
 

This was one of 7,500 CP boxcars with inside height of 8-7 and 5-0 doors, built in 1929 and 1930 by CCF, NSC and ECC. Numbered 240000-247499. Sometimes nicknamed ‘minibox’ due to their relatively low height.

A resin kit is offered by F & C and a RTR plastic model was offered  by TrueLine Trains.

 

John Riddell

 

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Re: B&O M55 A and B boxcars

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Bob,
 
Thanks again.  Actually, I found this document to work fine, although one negative is flipped over.  There are several photos showing that the side edge of the roof panels sits well inside the plane of the car side.
 
Steve Hile


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Steve,

Bob's Photo has some photos and there are construction photos at the Pullman Museum site. The link are in the attached word document.

Regards,

Bob Witt


Re: Handbrakes

Bruce Smith
 

Bob,


Since about 2005, a list of the AAR interchange rule dates has been posted in the FILES section of this group 😉 It is even in both WORD and EXCEL formats depending on your preference.


That file, when searched for "geared" or "power" yields the following:


January 1, 1937, "Geared handbrakes required on all newly-built or newly-rebuilt cars."


There is no subsequent ban (AAR interchange) or outlaw (Federal law) date given for geared handbrakes.


As a reminder to some of our list members, geared (or "power") handbrakes does NOT mean exclusively horizontal shaft/vertical wheel handbrakes. Many vertical shaft/horizontal wheel installations had gearing to assist the brakeman in applying the brakes and would therefore have been considered "allowed" under these rules.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Handbrakes
 

I understand that in 1937 power (geared) handbrakes required on all newly-built or newly-rebuilt cars.

Were non-power handbrakes every specifically outlawed or banned?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: B&O M55 A and B boxcars

william darnaby
 

I built all of the Sunshine M55 kits and I do remember a gap between the edge of the roof and the sides...in other words the roof did not overlap the top edge of the sides.  This was not uncommon with Sunshine kits and the way I dealt with it was to attach a .030 or .040 strip of styrene along the inside top edge of the sides to give the roof something to sit on.  I also remember having to add styrene to the side edges of the floor on occasion.  Such is the resin world....

Bill Darnaby



On Saturday, July 6, 2019, 07:33:15 AM CDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



I have the M-55H kit. The problem with the kit is not the roof.
The end casting for the car is slightly too wide - less than 1/8"

A razor saw blade kerf and a bit of cleanup and the ends can be fixed.
You can hide fine seams with Future (clear acrylic).

Tim O'Connor

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On 7/5/2019 3:14 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:

Scott McDonald wrote:

I have a Sunshine M-55 kit I partially built.  The roof doesnt even come close width wise to fit.  Probably a full 1/8 inch to narrow.  I understand I can fill in the gap with styrene but then it doesnt look anything like the car.  So it went up on the shelf of shame and been there ever since.  I will revisit it someday though.  It has the cool sentinel decals.

     Why not split the roof, put the 1/8-inch there, and re-assemble? It would be under the running board and hard to see, if not invisible.

Tony Thompson


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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