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Re: Handbrakes

Bill Welch
 

Photo of the C&O type is in the 1932 Boxcar book. Look for the "B" end photo of the ERIE car. I modeled using 1.5 Grams of watch parts ordered through eBay. Plenty of actual gears to choose from.

Bill Welch


Re: Handbrakes

Tom Madden
 

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 11:33 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Dennis I'd really like to see the reduction gearing you're describing. I've never
seen an example of that. They used a pawl and ratchet but that's not a gear box -
it gives no mechanical leverage.
Dennis already posted two photos showing reduction gearing at the bottom of  vertical brake staffs. Post #165331.

Tom Madden
 


Re: Handbrakes

Tim O'Connor
 


Dennis I'd really like to see the reduction gearing you're describing. I've never
seen an example of that. They used a pawl and ratchet but that's not a gear box -
it gives no mechanical leverage.

Tim O'



On 7/7/2019 8:43 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 04:08 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
?? these were around since the 1930's if not earlier
Yes, the 1931 CBC identifies that as a Klasing Safety Handbrake, Wheel Type. But the point is, it's obvious, with that large gear housing at the eave line, it won't be mistaken for the old time 'stem winders'. It also uses a chain, rod and bell crank rather than a simple brake staff. My point was a reasonable number of vertical staff hand brakes also used reduction gearing, but the gearing was almost hid under the end sill.

Dennis Storzek

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Santa Fe Gondola

Tim O'Connor
 


Charlie, what type of end do you mean? Drop ends? There were certainly more classes
of Santa Fe gondolas with drop ends, than just two. At first I thought it could be a
Ga-103 but I wondered if the plain bearing trucks would have been applied in 1958 to
a brand new mill gondola. The only photo I have of one shows roller bearing trucks.

Tim O'Connor


On 7/7/2019 12:49 PM, charles slater wrote:
Assuming that is a Santa Fe gondola, it would be either a Ga-91 class car numbered 168400-168549 built in 1955 by Santa Fe or a Ga-103 class car numbered 168150-168399 also built be Santa Fe in 1958. It would be nice if there was a car number for the car. Those are the only two classes of mill gondolas with that type of ends.
Charlie Slater

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Photo: Santa Fe Gondola

Fairly good interior shot of unidentified drop-end gondola from the Kansas State Historical Society taken in 1950:

https://www.kansasmemory.org/item/50620

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Janney couplers full and 3/4 size

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Could you explain what the SAM “safety link & pin” coupler is/was?

 

Schuyler

 

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As you suggested, most (all?) California and Nevada narrow gauge lines used 3/4 size knuckle couplers (if they used knuckles).  The exception being the NCO, which purchased used cars from the F&CC which came with full size (size D) couplers.  For a short period of time the NCO converted one end of the "new" cars to 3/4 size and ran them in pairs.  The Pacific Coast Ry used 3/4 size.

Of course, the Carter Brothers, who closed their factory in Newark CA installed link and pin draw heads on the cars they built (passenger cars were mostly equipped with Miller Couplers).  Knuckles were fitted to the cars later by the various railroads.  The SP owned Carson & Colorado used SAM "safety link & pin" couplers during the Tonopah boom, and the F&CC cars were equipped with SAMs when built.

Randy Hees


Re: Handbrakes

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello,

Milwaukee Road stock cars built in 1929, have the same appearing hand brake.  The car diagram page states it is a Klassing Hand brake.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


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On Sunday, July 7, 2019, 06:08:39 PM CDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



?? these were around since the 1930's if not earlier


On 7/6/2019 4:36 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

"Many vertical shaft/horizontal wheel installations had gearing to assist the brakeman in applying the brakes and would therefore have been considered "allowed" under these rules."
Yes...two examples from my own files. The first photo is from 1957 and the second no earlier than 1960.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

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Re: Handbrakes

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 04:08 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
?? these were around since the 1930's if not earlier
Yes, the 1931 CBC identifies that as a Klasing Safety Handbrake, Wheel Type. But the point is, it's obvious, with that large gear housing at the eave line, it won't be mistaken for the old time 'stem winders'. It also uses a chain, rod and bell crank rather than a simple brake staff. My point was a reasonable number of vertical staff hand brakes also used reduction gearing, but the gearing was almost hid under the end sill.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Handbrakes

Bill Welch
 

The C&O also had a similar geared brake design, an example can be found on Erie 1932 boxcars also w/square brake staff.

Bill Welch


Re: Handbrakes

Tim O'Connor
 


?? these were around since the 1930's if not earlier


On 7/6/2019 4:36 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:
"Many vertical shaft/horizontal wheel installations had gearing to assist the brakeman in applying the brakes and would therefore have been considered "allowed" under these rules."
Yes...two examples from my own files. The first photo is from 1957 and the second no earlier than 1960.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Santa Fe Gondola

Tim O'Connor
 


If the 1950 date is only slightly off, this could be a builder photo of a Ga-76 mill gondola
built in 1951. These were the first ATSF 65 foot mill gondolas built at Topeka.

Tim O'Connor



On 7/6/2019 2:22 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Photo: Santa Fe Gondola

Fairly good interior shot of unidentified drop-end gondola from the Kansas State Historical Society taken in 1950:

https://www.kansasmemory.org/item/50620

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: looking for drawings of Reading hopper 60000 - 60999

ed_mines
 

I'm a little late to the show but at one time (1940s?) a man with a name something like Wisswasser offered O scale drawings of many RDG cars. I bought several in the '80s or '90s through the RDG society.
Sadly, all of my prints were destroyed in a flood.


Re: Handbrakes

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 06:38 AM, Bruce Smith wrote:
As a reminder to some of our list members, geared (or "power") handbrakes does NOT mean exclusively horizontal shaft/vertical wheel handbrakes. Many vertical shaft/horizontal wheel installations had gearing to assist the brakeman in applying the brakes and would therefore have been considered "allowed" under these rules.
Yes, they were quite wide spread and hard to spot, since unlike Bob Chaparro's example which had the reduction gearing up at the roof eave, most examples brought the brake staff all the way down to the end sill, and tucked the reduction gearing beneath the sill. Anexample would be the CP "mini box" recently discussed:

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-28-19/X7177.jpg

I've also found similar gear on a 1926 Soo Line box:



And also on the Soo's 1936 copies of the 1932 ARA car:



Note this later car also has a square brake staff.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: Santa Fe Gondola

charles slater
 

Assuming that is a Santa Fe gondola, it would be either a Ga-91 class car numbered 168400-168549 built in 1955 by Santa Fe or a Ga-103 class car numbered 168150-168399 also built be Santa Fe in 1958. It would be nice if there was a car number for the car. Those are the only two classes of mill gondolas with that type of ends.
Charlie Slater

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Santa Fe Gondola
 

Photo: Santa Fe Gondola

Fairly good interior shot of unidentified drop-end gondola from the Kansas State Historical Society taken in 1950:

https://www.kansasmemory.org/item/50620

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: looking for drawings of Reading hopper 60000 - 60999

vapeurchapelon
 

Many thanks, David.

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

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One more source: October 24, 1902 Railway Age, p. 428
https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Railway_Age.html?id=n8A6AQAAMAAJ

David Thompson





Re: Photo: Santa Fe Gondola

Jack Mullen
 

The end view appears to show the narrow width characteristic of 65' mill gons, such as the Ga-70.

Jack Mullen


Re: Photos: Santa Fe Gondola 175309

David Soderblom
 

I find it interesting that the “ATSF" and number were sprayed onto the steel diagonal braces. That seems very unusual, and I don’t recall seeing that before: the reporting marks were always on the siding alone and never on the bracing.

David Soderblom
Baltimore MD


Re: Photo: CP Boxcar 242550

mrvant@rogers.com
 

Note also that the “minibox” sides do not meet flush with the ends. There is an L shape up along the join on each side. An article on building them from the F&C Kit in Jan 2004 RMC. It was part of Ted Culotta’s Essential Freight Cars-9. The True Line Trains RTR model got this detail correct also.

This was a great clear photo. Thanks.

Malcolm Vant


Re: Photo: Santa Fe Gondola

Jake Schaible
 

Bob - from my incomplete collection of loose ATSF 211/4 folio sheets, her "end knees" and pressed steel sides looks to be from the GA-68 to 70 class (as well as perhaps later) first issued in 1949 by Pressed Steel Car Company.  Date would seem to fit as well.  My guess is that it is the longer GA-70 (truck center of 56'10 3/4") vs the shorter GA-68/69 (43'6 3/4")  But again, this is only a guess as I have the drwgs with ends as modified in 1977. 

Happy hunting...


Re: Handbrakes

Bob Chaparro
 

"Many vertical shaft/horizontal wheel installations had gearing to assist the brakeman in applying the brakes and would therefore have been considered "allowed" under these rules."
Yes...two examples from my own files. The first photo is from 1957 and the second no earlier than 1960.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Photos: Santa Fe Gondola 175309

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: Santa Fe Gondola 175309

Four photos from the Kansas State Historical Society taken in 1960:

https://www.kansasmemory.org/item/310193

Click on the photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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