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Re: MODEL OR PROTOTYPE

Gene Deimling
 

The photos look like a large scale (2.5” gauge) model built by Warren Weiss fromSoCal.
It is a B-50-13. I have attached another picture shown on his backyard railroad.

Gene Deimling


Re: MODEL OR PROTOTYPE

Brad Andonian
 

I thinks it’s a pacific limited o scale model..   perhaps done by Lee Turner an exquisite custom painter from MI.

On Saturday, July 13, 2019, 6:02 PM, Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io <mike_schleigh@...> wrote:

Are there not latching features missing from the left hand side of the door?  And, something about the rails looks too uniform and without the first sign of any joint.  MODEL

Mike Schleigh  Grove City, Penna.

On Saturday, July 13, 2019, 7:28:08 PM EDT, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:


I recently came across this image.  I felt that it was a prototype photo until I noticed the chalk marks above the right truck.  This seems to be one that is in the Clover House chalk mark set.  Possibly this wss the inpspiration for this set. Which is it?

Bill Pardie


Re: RDG 70000 series 4-bay hoppers

Jack Mullen
 

I'm not a Reading expert, but HTn quad hoppers would fit the 1924 blt date. A photo of 70455 with a 3-48 reweigh date shows a vertical wheel geared handbrake.  It's a broadside photo, so I can't ID the specific type.

I don't know the history or original configuration of the HTn cars, but in general, composite quad hoppers seem a rather rare thing.
Hope this limited info helps.

Jack Mullen


Re: MODEL OR PROTOTYPE

Tony Thompson
 

Odd if it’s prototype, no coupler.
Tony Thompson 


On Jul 13, 2019, at 6:02 PM, Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io <mike_schleigh@...> wrote:

Are there not latching features missing from the left hand side of the door?  And, something about the rails looks too uniform and without the first sign of any joint.  MODEL

Mike Schleigh  Grove City, Penna.

On Saturday, July 13, 2019, 7:28:08 PM EDT, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:


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I recently came across this image.  I felt that it was a prototype photo until I noticed the chalk marks above the right truck.  This seems to be one that is in the Clover House chalk mark set.  Possibly this wss the inpspiration for this set. Which is it?

Bill Pardie
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Re: MODEL OR PROTOTYPE

MDelvec952
 


I think it's a great modeling job. That photo required great examination, but a couple of things give it away. First is the track. Under a 40-foot boxcar on 39-foot rails would be at least a couple of joints. That switch in the foreground would have heel-block joints and a series of braces against the rail, and the rail itself has a base that's much thicker than what would have been used in that era. (Part of my day job is to perform track inspections).

That chalk mark is known by its artist as Colossus of Roads. It's drawn by a clever but anonymous trainman in the south who has been making this drawing on railcars since 1971 (20 years after the 1951 scale mark). He retired in 2003 but still marks cars.  I see a lot of them in our yards.

Still, impressive modeling job.

Mike Del Vecchio



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Subject: [RealSTMFC] MODEL OR PROTOTYPE


I recently came across this image.  I felt that it was a prototype photo until I noticed the chalk marks above the right truck.  This seems to be one that is in the Clover House chalk mark set.  Possibly this wss the inpspiration for this set. Which is it?

Bill Pardie


Re: RDG 70000 series 4-bay hoppers

Bruce Smith
 

Jim,


I am not  a READING hopper expert but I have a few photos. I believe that you would be mistaken to assume that these cars started life as composite cars. The options are HTL or HTN class depending on the number. I believe that both classes were built as steel cars with "stemwinder brakes". I think that you are looking at a photo of 70056 - it would be helpful if you gave the number of the car in the photo so we might know if we're all looking at the same thing. 😉  I think that 70056 is a class HTN car.


I have 2 photos of quads.


HTL 71000, 6-22, vertical shaft brake, with some funky assed wheel.

HTN 70455, built 1924, reweigh STC 3-48, appears to have Ajax horizontal shaft wheel.


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL



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Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2019 6:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] RDG 70000 series 4-bay hoppers
 
I have a photo of RDG 4bay steel hopper. It is a 3/4 view shot and I am using it to build an HO model. Unfortunately, the end shown in the photo is the A end and I cannot tell if these cars had power hand brakes or stem winders. I want to build the car as it would have appeared in 1952. The photo shows the car was built in   6 /24,, reweighed in 8/48 and re4packed by the PRR in 4/51.The class designation is obliterated by the banged up panel. This car had retained it's Andrews trucks and still was equipped with Carmer cut levers.

I suspect that these hoppers were originally composite hoppers, later rebuilt as all steel card and probably received power hand brakes at that time, similar to a batch of LV quads. However, I'd like to confirm my suspicions before building the model. Are there any Reading experts on this list that can verify the brake system used on these cars in 1952?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV


RDG 70000 series 4-bay hoppers

David
 

P&R 71000, class HTL, was built as an all-steel car with a horizontal (vertical staff) brakewheel.

Some reading: http://www.shamokindivision.com/2010/11/06/reading-open-hopper-car-fleet-for-1952/

David Thompson


Re: MODEL OR PROTOTYPE

gary laakso
 

Look at the bare branches towering over the two story building on the left and curved over and towering over the boxcar.  The tie plates are uniformly off of the ties, the wood pile beyond the underframe are uniform in color with a shadow pattern not appearing elsewhere.

Very likely a very fine model in O scale proto.

Gary Laakso
Northeast of Mike Brock


On Jul 13, 2019, at 7:13 PM, Dave Parker via Groups.Io <spottab@...> wrote:

If it's a model, I don't think it can be in HO.  There isn't a T-section Bettendorf truck in HO that looks quite like that.  Also, the ties and trackwork don't look like HO either

PROTOTYPE gets my vote.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: MODEL OR PROTOTYPE

Dave Parker
 

If it's a model, I don't think it can be in HO.  There isn't a T-section Bettendorf truck in HO that looks quite like that.  Also, the ties and trackwork don't look like HO either

PROTOTYPE gets my vote.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: MODEL OR PROTOTYPE

Schleigh Mike
 

Are there not latching features missing from the left hand side of the door?  And, something about the rails looks too uniform and without the first sign of any joint.  MODEL

Mike Schleigh  Grove City, Penna.

On Saturday, July 13, 2019, 7:28:08 PM EDT, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:


I recently came across this image.  I felt that it was a prototype photo until I noticed the chalk marks above the right truck.  This seems to be one that is in the Clover House chalk mark set.  Possibly this wss the inpspiration for this set. Which is it?

Bill Pardie


Re: MODEL OR PROTOTYPE

brianleppert@att.net
 

The trucks on the real cars had Barber Lateral Motion Devices, seen as a horizontal rectangular shape between the top of the springs and bottom of the bolster.  This detail is missing in the photo.  I would vote model.  And a damn fine model.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: Looking for Lehigh Valley Freight Car Diagrams

Eric Lombard
 

Steve, here are two that I have to share.

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL

On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 1:56 PM Steve Sejda <srsejda@...> wrote:
Hi All,

I am looking for a reference source for Lehigh Valley Railroad freight car diagrams. If anyone knows of a digital format or hard copy reprints please let me know. 

Thanks in advance for any help for any info provided.

Steve Sejda
Monroeville, NJ


Re: MODEL OR PROTOTYPE

 

Damn fine model, IMO. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Jul 13, 2019, at 6:27 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:

<image1.jpeg>
I recently came across this image.  I felt that it was a prototype photo until I noticed the chalk marks above the right truck.  This seems to be one that is in the Clover House chalk mark set.  Possibly this wss the inpspiration for this set. Which is it?

Bill Pardie


MODEL OR PROTOTYPE

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I recently came across this image.  I felt that it was a prototype photo until I noticed the chalk marks above the right truck.  This seems to be one that is in the Clover House chalk mark set.  Possibly this wss the inpspiration for this set. Which is it?

Bill Pardie


Re: 3 new 40'er for Collinsville

Armand Premo
 

Steam era box car,Single sheath,double sheath or steal.I need some representation of these roads.1950 cut off Although I would prefer 40sh..Armand Premo

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On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 6:38 PM Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:
Armand Premo asked:
"Looking for a source for Frisco, KCS and CIL Boxcars Kits or RTR Any help would be appreciated."

That's a wide net.  Anything specific?

Ben Hom


RDG 70000 series 4-bay hoppers

James E Kubanick
 

I have a photo of RDG 4bay steel hopper. It is a 3/4 view shot and I am using it to build an HO model. Unfortunately, the end shown in the photo is the A end and I cannot tell if these cars had power hand brakes or stem winders. I want to build the car as it would have appeared in 1952. The photo shows the car was built in   6 /24,, reweighed in 8/48 and re4packed by the PRR in 4/51.The class designation is obliterated by the banged up panel. This car had retained it's Andrews trucks and still was equipped with Carmer cut levers.

I suspect that these hoppers were originally composite hoppers, later rebuilt as all steel card and probably received power hand brakes at that time, similar to a batch of LV quads. However, I'd like to confirm my suspicions before building the model. Are there any Reading experts on this list that can verify the brake system used on these cars in 1952?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV


Re: 3 new 40'er for Collinsville

Benjamin Hom
 

Armand Premo asked:
"Looking for a source for Frisco, KCS and CIL Boxcars Kits or RTR Any help would be appreciated."

That's a wide net.  Anything specific?

Ben Hom


Looking for Lehigh Valley Freight Car Diagrams

Steve Sejda
 

Hi All,

I am looking for a reference source for Lehigh Valley Railroad freight car diagrams. If anyone knows of a digital format or hard copy reprints please let me know. 

Thanks in advance for any help for any info provided.

Steve Sejda
Monroeville, NJ


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???

hubert mask
 

I also have EJ&E Decals.  Orange and Green 40' box cars.  Joliet Built.  

Not sure if it is the right time frame.

Hubert Mask


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On Jul 13, 2019, at 3:00 PM, Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@...> wrote:

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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???

Michael Gross
 

I appreciate the EJ&E information, and may give the Tichy decals a try. That orange map scheme is something I saw frequently in my boyhood days in Chicago 

Thanks and cheers!
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Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA

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