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Re: RDG 70000 series 4-bay hoppers

James E Kubanick
 

David,

Thank you very much for all the information on Reading hoppers. I will keep the attached documents on file for the HTn build and reference for possible upgrades to the F&C and Stewart kits I have built.

Regards,

Jim Kubanick

On Saturday, July 13, 2019, 10:42:27 PM EDT, David via Groups.Io <jaydeet2001@...> wrote:


P&R 71000, class HTL, was built as an all-steel car with a horizontal
(vertical staff) brakewheel.

Some reading:

David Thompson
Re: RDG 70000 series 4-bay hoppers

James E Kubanick
 


Jack and Bruce,

Thank you for your kind responses.

I did intend to add the car number to my original post. It is 70056, so this appears to be an HTn. I'm leaning toward putting a horizontal brake wheel on this car.

I certainly not a Reading expert either, but I do seem to recall  seeing a photo of a RDG composite hopper sometime ago. I can't think of any other road that may have roster-ed these.

Thanks, again, for your assistance. It has been very useful.

Jim Kubanick

On Saturday, July 13, 2019, 11:46:59 PM EDT, Jack Mullen <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote:


I'm not a Reading expert, but HTn quad hoppers would fit the 1924 blt date. A photo of 70455 with a 3-48 reweigh date shows a vertical wheel geared handbrake.  It's a broadside photo, so I can't ID the specific type.

I don't know the history or original configuration of the HTn cars, but in general, composite quad hoppers seem a rather rare thing.
Hope this limited info helps.

Jack Mullen

Re: Looking for Lehigh Valley Freight Car Diagrams

Steve Sejda
 

Hi Eric,

Thanks much for sharing your diagram books. I've been looking to model some hopper cars since K4 Supply Company now sells Lehigh Valley HO scale decals. Having this additional info is a big help!

Thanks again,

Steve Sejda
Monroeville, NJ
Re: MODEL OR PROTOTYPE

Gene Deimling
 

Dennis
Warren  Weiss recently invested in a Form Labs Form2 SLA printer and is making castings for his scale.  I suspect he will go back and upgrade some of his older cars. 
He built a Brill gas electric from brass in his scale. Many rivets were impressed in the metal.  

Gene Deimling
Re: MODEL OR PROTOTYPE

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 06:02 PM, Schleigh Mike wrote:
Are there not latching features missing from the left hand side of the door?
Surprising the builder would miss that... although I suspect he'e investigating having custom investment castings made.

Dennis Storzek
Re: ASF Catalog

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 07:54 AM, Bob Webber wrote:
This is a PDF of a American Steel Foundries Catalog from 1911.  It is a catalog of knuckles, pins and locks only
And absolutely NONE of those parts are interchangeable between different brands of couplers. A really good illustration of the need for standardization, answered by the adoption of the ARA Type D coupler in 1918.

Dennis Storzek 
Re: MODEL OR PROTOTYPE

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

At some point, it got one. I think the camera angle didn’t see it.

 

 

Thanks!
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Brian Ehni

 

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MODEL OR PROTOTYPE

 

Odd if it’s prototype, no coupler.

Tony Thompson 


On Jul 13, 2019, at 6:02 PM, Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io <mike_schleigh@...> wrote:

Are there not latching features missing from the left hand side of the door?  And, something about the rails looks too uniform and without the first sign of any joint.  MODEL

 

Mike Schleigh  Grove City, Penna.

 

On Saturday, July 13, 2019, 7:28:08 PM EDT, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:

 

 

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I recently came across this image.  I felt that it was a prototype photo until I noticed the chalk marks above the right truck.  This seems to be one that is in the Clover House chalk mark set.  Possibly this wss the inpspiration for this set. Which is it?

 

Bill Pardie

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Re: MODEL OR PROTOTYPE

Tim O'Connor
 

good grief - wrong photo

On 7/14/2019 11:54 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

It appears to be one of Warren Weiss's outdoor railroad models - he scratchbuilds in a
large scale and has a beautiful outdoor layout in California. He often posts on Facebook.

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Re: MODEL OR PROTOTYPE

Tim O'Connor
 


It appears to be one of Warren Weiss's outdoor railroad models - he scratchbuilds in a
large scale and has a beautiful outdoor layout in California. He often posts on Facebook.

Attachments: image1.jpeg

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Tim O'Connor
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ASF Catalog

Bob Webber
 

I'm not sure this will be of interest to those on this list.

This is a PDF of a American Steel Foundries Catalog from 1911.  It is a catalog of knuckles, pins and locks only (and is missing pages 5 & 6 - TBD)

http://www.pullmanlibrary.org/ASF%20Coupler%201911.pdf

and can be reached via the research link from here:
http://www.pullmanlibrary.org/
and then at the bottom under "Pullman & Railroad Carbuilding"

Bob Webber

Re: MODEL OR PROTOTYPE

Paul Doggett
 

The one thing that gives it away is the rail joiner on the first track, amazing modelling.
Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

On 14 Jul 2019, at 06:30, Gene Deimling <proto48@gmail.com> wrote:

The photos look like a large scale (2.5” gauge) model built by Warren Weiss fromSoCal.
It is a B-50-13. I have attached another picture shown on his backyard railroad.

Gene Deimling






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Re: 3 new 40'er for Collinsville

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Armand,

KCS 21001-21300 (AC&F, 4-56) with 8' doors and 4/3/1 late Dreadnaught ends can be done with the Front Range or later Atlas(?) models. A builder's photo was in Ed Hawkins' article in the April 1994 RMJ.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 7/13/19 8:18 AM, Armand Premo wrote:
Looking for a source for Frisco,,KCS and CIL Boxcars Kits or RTR Any help would be appreciated..Armand Premo

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On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 8:09 AM O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
Hey big guy have you decided which N&W boxcars you are going to do?  I’m hoping for the single and double door versions. And I’ll buy one of each. I’ll also donate some capital for the project if needed 
Fenton 


On Jul 12, 2019, at 4:50 PM, Chad Boas via Groups.Io <chadboas@...> wrote:

The parts are ready for the 3 new cars I am offering.
First is the Soo Line combo door 48000 series car. This kit is just the sides and is $13. I used Branchline 1E ends but I might have to start casting end if they become to hard to find.
Second is the B&O M-59 double door 298000 series car. This kit will come with the ends, doors and lower side sills and is $16. I used a Branchline 40' AAR kit with a 6' door for the base.
Third is the SAL AF-5 double door 23000 series car. This kit comes with ends, doors and lower side sills and is $16. I also used a Branchline 40' AAR kit with 6' door on this one.
I will be at Collinsville with the usual bunch of flat cars, gons and some S-n-T parts.
Contact me off list for my updated list of kits.
Chad Boas
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Re: MODEL OR PROTOTYPE

Gene Deimling
 

The photos look like a large scale (2.5” gauge) model built by Warren Weiss fromSoCal.
It is a B-50-13. I have attached another picture shown on his backyard railroad.

Gene Deimling
Re: MODEL OR PROTOTYPE

Brad Andonian
 

I thinks it’s a pacific limited o scale model..   perhaps done by Lee Turner an exquisite custom painter from MI.

On Saturday, July 13, 2019, 6:02 PM, Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io <mike_schleigh@...> wrote:

Are there not latching features missing from the left hand side of the door?  And, something about the rails looks too uniform and without the first sign of any joint.  MODEL

Mike Schleigh  Grove City, Penna.

On Saturday, July 13, 2019, 7:28:08 PM EDT, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:


I recently came across this image.  I felt that it was a prototype photo until I noticed the chalk marks above the right truck.  This seems to be one that is in the Clover House chalk mark set.  Possibly this wss the inpspiration for this set. Which is it?

Bill Pardie
Re: RDG 70000 series 4-bay hoppers

Jack Mullen
 

I'm not a Reading expert, but HTn quad hoppers would fit the 1924 blt date. A photo of 70455 with a 3-48 reweigh date shows a vertical wheel geared handbrake.  It's a broadside photo, so I can't ID the specific type.

I don't know the history or original configuration of the HTn cars, but in general, composite quad hoppers seem a rather rare thing.
Hope this limited info helps.

Jack Mullen
Re: MODEL OR PROTOTYPE

Tony Thompson
 

Odd if it’s prototype, no coupler.
Tony Thompson 


On Jul 13, 2019, at 6:02 PM, Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io <mike_schleigh@...> wrote:

Are there not latching features missing from the left hand side of the door?  And, something about the rails looks too uniform and without the first sign of any joint.  MODEL

Mike Schleigh  Grove City, Penna.

On Saturday, July 13, 2019, 7:28:08 PM EDT, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:


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I recently came across this image.  I felt that it was a prototype photo until I noticed the chalk marks above the right truck.  This seems to be one that is in the Clover House chalk mark set.  Possibly this wss the inpspiration for this set. Which is it?

Bill Pardie
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Re: MODEL OR PROTOTYPE

MDelvec952
 


I think it's a great modeling job. That photo required great examination, but a couple of things give it away. First is the track. Under a 40-foot boxcar on 39-foot rails would be at least a couple of joints. That switch in the foreground would have heel-block joints and a series of braces against the rail, and the rail itself has a base that's much thicker than what would have been used in that era. (Part of my day job is to perform track inspections).

That chalk mark is known by its artist as Colossus of Roads. It's drawn by a clever but anonymous trainman in the south who has been making this drawing on railcars since 1971 (20 years after the 1951 scale mark). He retired in 2003 but still marks cars.  I see a lot of them in our yards.

Still, impressive modeling job.

Mike Del Vecchio



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Subject: [RealSTMFC] MODEL OR PROTOTYPE


I recently came across this image.  I felt that it was a prototype photo until I noticed the chalk marks above the right truck.  This seems to be one that is in the Clover House chalk mark set.  Possibly this wss the inpspiration for this set. Which is it?

Bill Pardie
Re: RDG 70000 series 4-bay hoppers

Bruce Smith
 

Jim,


I am not  a READING hopper expert but I have a few photos. I believe that you would be mistaken to assume that these cars started life as composite cars. The options are HTL or HTN class depending on the number. I believe that both classes were built as steel cars with "stemwinder brakes". I think that you are looking at a photo of 70056 - it would be helpful if you gave the number of the car in the photo so we might know if we're all looking at the same thing. 😉  I think that 70056 is a class HTN car.


I have 2 photos of quads.


HTL 71000, 6-22, vertical shaft brake, with some funky assed wheel.

HTN 70455, built 1924, reweigh STC 3-48, appears to have Ajax horizontal shaft wheel.


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of James E Kubanick <jekuban@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2019 6:12 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] RDG 70000 series 4-bay hoppers
 
I have a photo of RDG 4bay steel hopper. It is a 3/4 view shot and I am using it to build an HO model. Unfortunately, the end shown in the photo is the A end and I cannot tell if these cars had power hand brakes or stem winders. I want to build the car as it would have appeared in 1952. The photo shows the car was built in   6 /24,, reweighed in 8/48 and re4packed by the PRR in 4/51.The class designation is obliterated by the banged up panel. This car had retained it's Andrews trucks and still was equipped with Carmer cut levers.

I suspect that these hoppers were originally composite hoppers, later rebuilt as all steel card and probably received power hand brakes at that time, similar to a batch of LV quads. However, I'd like to confirm my suspicions before building the model. Are there any Reading experts on this list that can verify the brake system used on these cars in 1952?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV

RDG 70000 series 4-bay hoppers

David
 

P&R 71000, class HTL, was built as an all-steel car with a horizontal (vertical staff) brakewheel.

Some reading: http://www.shamokindivision.com/2010/11/06/reading-open-hopper-car-fleet-for-1952/

David Thompson
Re: MODEL OR PROTOTYPE

gary laakso
 

Look at the bare branches towering over the two story building on the left and curved over and towering over the boxcar.  The tie plates are uniformly off of the ties, the wood pile beyond the underframe are uniform in color with a shadow pattern not appearing elsewhere.

Very likely a very fine model in O scale proto.

Gary Laakso
Northeast of Mike Brock


On Jul 13, 2019, at 7:13 PM, Dave Parker via Groups.Io <spottab@...> wrote:

If it's a model, I don't think it can be in HO.  There isn't a T-section Bettendorf truck in HO that looks quite like that.  Also, the ties and trackwork don't look like HO either

PROTOTYPE gets my vote.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA

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