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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???

O Fenton Wells
 

Looking good Steve.  Well done
Fenton

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Re: New Walthers freight cars

Tony Thompson
 

Ben Hom wrote:

Come to think of it, their recent newly-tooled mass-market transition-era releases have been...clunky.  The pre- and postwar AAR boxcars seem off in appearance; the latest SS, DS, and "rebuilt" offerings are a dumpster fire, and all of them are a poor value at high MSRPs of $28 or higher.  I know, I know...the great unwashed don't care...but tacit approval of garbage isn't progress.

     "Dumpster fire" is about right. Do ANY of the four models actually have prototypes? Why would you choose, for example, the roof they have put on three of the bodies?

Tony Thompson
Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???

pennsylvania1954
 

This may help. From the prototype photo of 61216 posted earlier, I did this model a few years ago. Intermountain 40' undec p/n 41099 which comes with 6' door, 10' H, 12 panel sides, r/3/4 ends, 8 rung ladders, and diagonal panel roof. I replaced the roof with a Red Caboose rectangular panel.

For the doors I faked it by partially opening the door, hiding the 6' width and too wide side panels with an 8' door. The doors are not perfect in their rib spacing, but that is not as evident on the real model. They are Branchline 100010, reduced in height.

Decals are from Jerry Glow, back when he was in business, well before he sold his line to Tichy. As has been mentioned multiple times, they are thick. As I recall, besides my usual Solvaset, pressing on the decal with a cloth wet with hot water conformed the decal around the rivet details. Like most, I prefer thin decals, but these were all we have.

Paint is Scalecoat II Southern Green.

The "dents" to the left of the door are from a yard incident involving sideswiping a flat car. All involved have been verbally reprimanded. That is my story and I am sticking to it.
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Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL
Re: New Walthers freight cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Welch wrote:
"An industry insider told me Walthers is hearing all sort of grief for this release. Too bad when they purchased the Life-Like Proto 2000 line they did not hire the brain power behind the line. No matter, companies like Tangent, Rapido, and resin people understand how to create faithful replicas of the real thing."

Come to think of it, their recent newly-tooled mass-market transition-era releases have been...clunky.  The pre- and postwar AAR boxcars seem off in appearance; the latest SS, DS, and "rebuilt" offerings are a dumpster fire, and all of them are a poor value at high MSRPs of $28 or higher.  I know, I know...the great unwashed don't care...but tacit approval of garbage isn't progress.


Ben Hom
Need Ride from St Louis airport

Jared Harper
 

I will be flying into the St. Louis airport on Thursday, July 25h, on SW airlines.  My flight arrives at 12:50 p.m.  Can anyone pick me up and take me the Super  8 Hotel on Gateway Dr. in Collinsville for the RPM  meet?

Thanks!

Jared Harper
Athens, GA
Re: New Walthers freight cars

Bill Welch
 

An industry insider told me Walthers is hearing all sort of grief for this release. Too bad when they purchased the Life-Like Proto 2000 line they did not hire the brain power behind the line. No matter, companies like Tangent, Rapido, and resin people understand how to create faithful replicas of the real thing.

Bill Welch
10 Days Away: 2019 St. Louis RPM

Daniel Kohlberg
 

Hi Friends,

 

We are about 10 days away from the 2019 St. Louis RPM in Collinsville, Illinois!  Friday July 26 and Saturday July 27.

 

Tell your friends.  Forward this along to your favorite lists.  Spread the word.

 

Meet up with friends and fellow railroad modelers at the nation's largest railroad prototype modeler's event.  St. Louis RPM 2019 features 21 clinics, hands-on presentations and over 160 tables of hand-picked, scale model vendors, Kitbash clinics, modular layouts in-house, 16 railroad historical societies, hands-on learning stations and exhibitors, home layout tours, door prizes and evening social events.

 

Oh, and don't forget the best part:  The largest attendee model display in the nation.  All this and more in the modern, professional Gateway Convention Center in Collinsville, Illinois, just 15 minutes east of metro St. Louis.

 

Want more info?  Want to print the flyer?  Need hotel details or directions?

Check out our website at http://www.icgdecals.com/stlrpm

 

Or contact Lonnie Bathurst at Bathurst@... or John Golden at Golden1014@....  You can also simply Google St. Louis RPM and read all about it.

 

Don't stay home, man--BRING YOUR MODELS and be part of the big event.  All this for just 25 bucks.  See you all soon!

 

We are grateful to our partners, the Gateway Division, NMRA, for helping us make this happen. 

 

Note To Self:

BRING YOUR MODELS!

 

See you in St. Louis! 

 

Signed, The St. Louis RPM Crew:

Dave Roeder

Brian McQuitty

Mark Lewis

Jeff Kuebler

Lonnie Bathurst

Dan Kohlberg

John Golden

 

 

P.S. BRING YOUR MODELS!

 

 
Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bill;

Mine was not the original question, but I was secondarily wondering if anyone had done the later Billboard schemes, and Hubert Mask has.

Wow, you did a LOT of work for that car! Kudos!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 8:19 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???

Not sure if anyone ever answered your original question Elden but the neither roof the two scheme offered in the Sunshine mini-kits included the Map scheme.

Walters offered the scheme once upon a time but the orange portion were not very opaque and required three layers of decals to look good, at least that is how I dealt with them on the C&BT kit I shortened by six-inches in height.

Bill Welch
Re: Poultry car models

Eric Hansmann
 

That was why I went searching for it at the NTS. It was not on display. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Jul 14, 2019, at 10:05 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

The MR “newsletter” had a photo.
Tony Thompson 


On Jul 14, 2019, at 8:07 PM, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Thanks Eric. I was wondering. I saw Kalmbach had the car listed among new items, but no photo.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 9:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Poultry car models

 

I looked for these at the National Train Show but Bachmann did not have them displayed.

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

On July 12, 2019 at 8:53 PM Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Knowing my interest in Poultry cars, a friend spotted this and sent it to me with a note to check out page 4!

 

https://resources.bachmanntrains.com/2019nmraslc/html5/index.html
     

 

First thing I noticed, they have standard steel boxcar doors! How could Bachmann screw that up? And at $49? Seriously?

Attached is a photo of LPTC #666 Mudd. Compare to the Bachmann illustration.

Speedy was a combo car, Bachmann blew this one.

Stentz was a Palace Poultry Car PPKX 5131. Can’t even get the numbers right.

 

Who ever is advising Bachmann on these cars would appear to have no knowledge of actual poultry cars.

 

It appears Bachmann took their standard 40’ boxcar, and replaced the sides with a fake poultry car side. It looks like the screen wire and chickens are silk screen on plastic, very similar to the Lionel poultry car. Details are wrong or non-existent. They need two ladders per side, not one. And the Palace Poultry cars had four ladders per side. The names and numbers are not properly matched, ie they don’t have my list. Looks like the car sits to high on the trucks. A prototype poultry car has four panels on each side of the door, the model has five. And I have not seen a single poultry car with a letter board, like the Palace car in Bachmann’s catalog.

 

My hopes of a poultry car are quickly diminished.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


 


 
Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks for sharing those, Tim!

I have long hoped for the EJ&E story on their freight car fleet. Anyone know if it exists?

The steel roads are of endless fascination in terms of their individual responses to hauling those products.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 3:31 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Elgin Boxcar Green/Orange paint when started? Decals Available???


The EJ&E applied at least four other paint schemes that included green & orange colors, as attached here. Note the physical differences between some of the cars
- they are not
all exactly alike.

Tim O'Connor



On 7/12/2019 11:24 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:
Guys;

I did one of those early early Sunshine kits of the rebuilt DS cars that included orange decals in the map scheme for the overall green car with black ends/roof.

The later cars with wide doorways, billboard schemes, abbreviated top rib ends and 10' interior heights (attached) are a tough project, and no decals I was ever able to find.

What a great resin kit those would make!

Elden Gatwood

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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*
Re: New Walthers freight cars

C J Wyatt
 

No doubts about the engine to pull it. It has to be CSX. 

Jack Wyatt

On Monday, July 15, 2019, 12:52:47 AM EDT, tyesac@... via Groups.Io <tyesac@...> wrote:


I think the operative phrase was one Richard Hendrickson used often: "Train set Bozos" will buy them.   No doubt someday there will be a YouTube video with someone having an entire unit train of poultry cars and I hat to think what would be pulling it.

Tom Casey
Re: New Walthers freight cars

tyesac@aol.com <tyesac@...>
 

I think the operative phrase was one Richard Hendrickson used often: "Train set Bozos" will buy them.   No doubt someday there will be a YouTube video with someone having an entire unit train of poultry cars and I hat to think what would be pulling it.

Tom Casey


-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Thompson <tony@...>
To: main <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Jul 14, 2019 11:08 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] New Walthers freight cars

Aaack! Where did this crap come from?
Tony Thompson 


On Jul 14, 2019, at 9:05 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

The MR “newsletter” had a photo.
Tony Thompson 


On Jul 14, 2019, at 8:07 PM, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Thanks Eric. I was wondering. I saw Kalmbach had the car listed among new items, but no photo.
 
Doug  Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 9:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Poultry car models
 
I looked for these at the National Train Show but Bachmann did not have them displayed.
 
Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN
 
On July 12, 2019 at 8:53 PM Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:
Knowing my interest in Poultry cars, a friend spotted this and sent it to me with a note to check out page 4!
 
https://resources.bachmanntrains.com/2019nmraslc/html5/index.html
     
 
First thing I noticed, they have standard steel boxcar doors! How could Bachmann screw that up? And at $49? Seriously?
Attached is a photo of LPTC #666 Mudd. Compare to the Bachmann illustration.
Speedy was a combo car, Bachmann blew this one.
Stentz was a Palace Poultry Car PPKX 5131. Can’t even get the numbers right.
 
Who ever is advising Bachmann on these cars would appear to have no knowledge of actual poultry cars.
 
It appears Bachmann took their standard 40’ boxcar, and replaced the sides with a fake poultry car side. It looks like the screen wire and chickens are silk screen on plastic, very similar to the Lionel poultry car. Details are wrong or non-existent. They need two ladders per side, not one. And the Palace Poultry cars had four ladders per side. The names and numbers are not properly matched, ie they don’t have my list. Looks like the car sits to high on the trucks. A prototype poultry car has four panels on each side of the door, the model has five. And I have not seen a single poultry car with a letter board, like the Palace car in Bachmann’s catalog.
 
My hopes of a poultry car are quickly diminished.
 
Doug  Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

 

 
New Walthers freight cars

Tony Thompson
 

Aaack! Where did this crap come from?
Tony Thompson 


On Jul 14, 2019, at 9:05 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

The MR “newsletter” had a photo.
Tony Thompson 


On Jul 14, 2019, at 8:07 PM, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Thanks Eric. I was wondering. I saw Kalmbach had the car listed among new items, but no photo.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 9:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Poultry car models

 

I looked for these at the National Train Show but Bachmann did not have them displayed.

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

On July 12, 2019 at 8:53 PM Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Knowing my interest in Poultry cars, a friend spotted this and sent it to me with a note to check out page 4!

 

https://resources.bachmanntrains.com/2019nmraslc/html5/index.html
     

 

First thing I noticed, they have standard steel boxcar doors! How could Bachmann screw that up? And at $49? Seriously?

Attached is a photo of LPTC #666 Mudd. Compare to the Bachmann illustration.

Speedy was a combo car, Bachmann blew this one.

Stentz was a Palace Poultry Car PPKX 5131. Can’t even get the numbers right.

 

Who ever is advising Bachmann on these cars would appear to have no knowledge of actual poultry cars.

 

It appears Bachmann took their standard 40’ boxcar, and replaced the sides with a fake poultry car side. It looks like the screen wire and chickens are silk screen on plastic, very similar to the Lionel poultry car. Details are wrong or non-existent. They need two ladders per side, not one. And the Palace Poultry cars had four ladders per side. The names and numbers are not properly matched, ie they don’t have my list. Looks like the car sits to high on the trucks. A prototype poultry car has four panels on each side of the door, the model has five. And I have not seen a single poultry car with a letter board, like the Palace car in Bachmann’s catalog.

 

My hopes of a poultry car are quickly diminished.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


 


 
Re: Poultry car models

Tony Thompson
 

The MR “newsletter” had a photo.
Tony Thompson 


On Jul 14, 2019, at 8:07 PM, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Thanks Eric. I was wondering. I saw Kalmbach had the car listed among new items, but no photo.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 9:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Poultry car models

 

I looked for these at the National Train Show but Bachmann did not have them displayed.

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

On July 12, 2019 at 8:53 PM Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Knowing my interest in Poultry cars, a friend spotted this and sent it to me with a note to check out page 4!

 

https://resources.bachmanntrains.com/2019nmraslc/html5/index.html
     

 

First thing I noticed, they have standard steel boxcar doors! How could Bachmann screw that up? And at $49? Seriously?

Attached is a photo of LPTC #666 Mudd. Compare to the Bachmann illustration.

Speedy was a combo car, Bachmann blew this one.

Stentz was a Palace Poultry Car PPKX 5131. Can’t even get the numbers right.

 

Who ever is advising Bachmann on these cars would appear to have no knowledge of actual poultry cars.

 

It appears Bachmann took their standard 40’ boxcar, and replaced the sides with a fake poultry car side. It looks like the screen wire and chickens are silk screen on plastic, very similar to the Lionel poultry car. Details are wrong or non-existent. They need two ladders per side, not one. And the Palace Poultry cars had four ladders per side. The names and numbers are not properly matched, ie they don’t have my list. Looks like the car sits to high on the trucks. A prototype poultry car has four panels on each side of the door, the model has five. And I have not seen a single poultry car with a letter board, like the Palace car in Bachmann’s catalog.

 

My hopes of a poultry car are quickly diminished.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


 


 
Re: Poultry car models

Douglas Harding
 

Thanks Eric. I was wondering. I saw Kalmbach had the car listed among new items, but no photo.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 9:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Poultry car models

 

I looked for these at the National Train Show but Bachmann did not have them displayed.

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

On July 12, 2019 at 8:53 PM Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Knowing my interest in Poultry cars, a friend spotted this and sent it to me with a note to check out page 4!

 

https://resources.bachmanntrains.com/2019nmraslc/html5/index.html
     

 

First thing I noticed, they have standard steel boxcar doors! How could Bachmann screw that up? And at $49? Seriously?

Attached is a photo of LPTC #666 Mudd. Compare to the Bachmann illustration.

Speedy was a combo car, Bachmann blew this one.

Stentz was a Palace Poultry Car PPKX 5131. Can’t even get the numbers right.

 

Who ever is advising Bachmann on these cars would appear to have no knowledge of actual poultry cars.

 

It appears Bachmann took their standard 40’ boxcar, and replaced the sides with a fake poultry car side. It looks like the screen wire and chickens are silk screen on plastic, very similar to the Lionel poultry car. Details are wrong or non-existent. They need two ladders per side, not one. And the Palace Poultry cars had four ladders per side. The names and numbers are not properly matched, ie they don’t have my list. Looks like the car sits to high on the trucks. A prototype poultry car has four panels on each side of the door, the model has five. And I have not seen a single poultry car with a letter board, like the Palace car in Bachmann’s catalog.

 

My hopes of a poultry car are quickly diminished.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


 


 
Re: Poultry car models

Eric Hansmann
 

I looked for these at the National Train Show but Bachmann did not have them displayed.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On July 12, 2019 at 8:53 PM Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Knowing my interest in Poultry cars, a friend spotted this and sent it to me with a note to check out page 4!

 

https://resources.bachmanntrains.com/2019nmraslc/html5/index.html

 

First thing I noticed, they have standard steel boxcar doors! How could Bachmann screw that up? And at $49? Seriously?

Attached is a photo of LPTC #666 Mudd. Compare to the Bachmann illustration.

Speedy was a combo car, Bachmann blew this one.

Stentz was a Palace Poultry Car PPKX 5131. Can’t even get the numbers right.

 

Who ever is advising Bachmann on these cars would appear to have no knowledge of actual poultry cars.

 

It appears Bachmann took their standard 40’ boxcar, and replaced the sides with a fake poultry car side. It looks like the screen wire and chickens are silk screen on plastic, very similar to the Lionel poultry car. Details are wrong or non-existent. They need two ladders per side, not one. And the Palace Poultry cars had four ladders per side. The names and numbers are not properly matched, ie they don’t have my list. Looks like the car sits to high on the trucks. A prototype poultry car has four panels on each side of the door, the model has five. And I have not seen a single poultry car with a letter board, like the Palace car in Bachmann’s catalog.

 

My hopes of a poultry car are quickly diminished.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


 


 
Re: RDG 70000 series 4-bay hoppers

James E Kubanick
 

David,

Thank you very much for all the information on Reading hoppers. I will keep the attached documents on file for the HTn build and reference for possible upgrades to the F&C and Stewart kits I have built.

Regards,

Jim Kubanick

On Saturday, July 13, 2019, 10:42:27 PM EDT, David via Groups.Io <jaydeet2001@...> wrote:


P&R 71000, class HTL, was built as an all-steel car with a horizontal
(vertical staff) brakewheel.

Some reading:

David Thompson
Re: RDG 70000 series 4-bay hoppers

James E Kubanick
 


Jack and Bruce,

Thank you for your kind responses.

I did intend to add the car number to my original post. It is 70056, so this appears to be an HTn. I'm leaning toward putting a horizontal brake wheel on this car.

I certainly not a Reading expert either, but I do seem to recall  seeing a photo of a RDG composite hopper sometime ago. I can't think of any other road that may have roster-ed these.

Thanks, again, for your assistance. It has been very useful.

Jim Kubanick

On Saturday, July 13, 2019, 11:46:59 PM EDT, Jack Mullen <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote:


I'm not a Reading expert, but HTn quad hoppers would fit the 1924 blt date. A photo of 70455 with a 3-48 reweigh date shows a vertical wheel geared handbrake.  It's a broadside photo, so I can't ID the specific type.

I don't know the history or original configuration of the HTn cars, but in general, composite quad hoppers seem a rather rare thing.
Hope this limited info helps.

Jack Mullen

Re: Looking for Lehigh Valley Freight Car Diagrams

Steve Sejda
 

Hi Eric,

Thanks much for sharing your diagram books. I've been looking to model some hopper cars since K4 Supply Company now sells Lehigh Valley HO scale decals. Having this additional info is a big help!

Thanks again,

Steve Sejda
Monroeville, NJ
Re: MODEL OR PROTOTYPE

Gene Deimling
 

Dennis
Warren  Weiss recently invested in a Form Labs Form2 SLA printer and is making castings for his scale.  I suspect he will go back and upgrade some of his older cars. 
He built a Brill gas electric from brass in his scale. Many rivets were impressed in the metal.  

Gene Deimling
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