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Wood Pipe Load

Andy Carlson
 

Two towns that I am aware which had wood water lines are Eureka and Fort Bragg, both in California's Redwood country with large mills. I am confident that many more towns had these as well.

There was local news about 2 years ago when the town of Fort Bragg replaced their last Redwood log water pipes. They lasted long, some about a 100 years or longer. Unlike the low pressure WWll wooden pipes of this subject, the Redwood water mains were rifle drilled redwood logs and retained the bark. Illustrates the water-resistance Redwoods possess.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Tuesday, July 16, 2019, 5:30:31 PM PDT, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...> wrote:


While not the ones in the article we had some in the ground through the mid 1900’s in my hometown.  They were being replaced when I was an engineering intern. 



On Jul 16, 2019, at 8:18 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:

I can’t imagine they lasted long in service. 




Re: Photo: Wood Pipe Load

Brian Carlson
 

While not the ones in the article we had some in the ground through the mid 1900’s in my hometown.  They were being replaced when I was an engineering intern. 

Brian J. Carlson P.E.

On Jul 16, 2019, at 8:18 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:

I can’t imagine they lasted long in service. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Jul 16, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: Wood Pipe Load

A photo from The History of Sanitary Sewers website:

https://www.sewerhistory.org/images/pi/pil/1943_pil01.jpg

Notice the tree sapling cribbing.

Caption from the site: "Substitute materials used in WWII: a shipment of 1,488 feet of 18-inch, 24-inch, 30-inch and 36-inch wooden pipe on one flat car. [Looks like a gondola car to me.] Weight 70,020 pounds. An equal footage of reinforced concrete pipe weighs 455,412 pounds and requires over ten cars. These pipes, used in place of corrugated iron or reinforced concrete pipes, were made of sections cut from short lengths of wood. Locking of adjacent rings with hardwood dowel pins produced a flexible structure. About 100,000 feet of these wooden pipes were installed in 1942 in drainage culverts, storm sewers and conduits, under highways and at army camps, naval stations, airfields and ordnance plants. Photo date 1943."

The History of Sanitary Sewers website: https://www.sewerhistory.org/

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Wood Pipe Load

 

I can’t imagine they lasted long in service. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Jul 16, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: Wood Pipe Load

A photo from The History of Sanitary Sewers website:

https://www.sewerhistory.org/images/pi/pil/1943_pil01.jpg

Notice the tree sapling cribbing.

Caption from the site: "Substitute materials used in WWII: a shipment of 1,488 feet of 18-inch, 24-inch, 30-inch and 36-inch wooden pipe on one flat car. [Looks like a gondola car to me.] Weight 70,020 pounds. An equal footage of reinforced concrete pipe weighs 455,412 pounds and requires over ten cars. These pipes, used in place of corrugated iron or reinforced concrete pipes, were made of sections cut from short lengths of wood. Locking of adjacent rings with hardwood dowel pins produced a flexible structure. About 100,000 feet of these wooden pipes were installed in 1942 in drainage culverts, storm sewers and conduits, under highways and at army camps, naval stations, airfields and ordnance plants. Photo date 1943."

The History of Sanitary Sewers website: https://www.sewerhistory.org/

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Slim pickings for RR magazine

rdgbuff56
 

Model Railroaders to me is a recurring thing for beginners.  No more plans,  kitbashes,  etc.   RMC RMC RMC

Francis A. Pehowic,  Jr. 
Sunbury,  Pa.

On Tuesday, July 16, 2019, 9:53:29 PM UTC, Brian Termunde via Groups.Io <GCRDS@...> wrote:


Frankly, I get far more out of RMC than I do MR, especially since for any half decent content, you have to pay extra for with the MR Video Minus  ) ;  [


Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah


Re: SL-SF, KCS, CIL Boxcar Kits (was Re: [RealSTMFC] 3 new 40'er for Collinsville)

Armand Premo
 

Thank you Mike.Armand Premo

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On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 6:10 PM Michael Aufderheide <MononInMonon@...> wrote:
Armand,

An easy way to add a Monon car from that era is the '37 AAR  9000 series car that the Monon Society had Red Caboose run.  Caboose Hobbies is now the vendor for the Society models:  

https://www.caboosehobbies.com/

These models are decorated in the as-delivered early 1940s scheme which will work for you, but they were also painted later in every other scheme the Monon had, including the white stripe.  Mont did detailing articles for them in (I think) Mainline modeler.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide


Re: Slim pickings for RR magazine

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

My local B&N only has RMC sporadically or maybe they only get a couple and they disappear quickly. I'm not impressed with the "new RMC" anyway and don't like the larger pages as I keep any useful stuff in a binder and throw the rest away. I have never seen NG&SLG at any book store. I was a charter subscriber way back around 1977(?) and it was pretty interesting back then even if they never truly lived up to the "Short Lline" part of their name. Over the years it has gotten too much into the larger scales for me so I dropped it. Fine modeling but just not my area of interest. MR is just a subsidiary or promo for Walthers line of backordered products and now their lines of toy train products.

Trains is mostly a UP publication and R&R isn't sure what it wants to be....X2200South, Trains, Railfan or what. PTJ has nothing much but light rail which I have less than zero interest in reading about.

The 2 or 3 British mags at B&N are far more interesting than Trains. R&R, MR and RMC to me. Some fine modeling and they seem on top of their tourist trains and all. 

Just my 2¢.
oldline1


Re: Slim pickings for RR magazine

Richard McQuade
 

My daughter works at a bookstore in a suburban mall here in Toronto. They still get RMC and MR plus a number of Brit model magazines as well as US and Brit prototype mags. They have a significant number of customers who pick up these magazines rather than subscribe although subscribing is cheaper. The Brit ones are always about a month late - likely due to shipping at the lowest costs. Probably buying at the shop gives the guys an excuse to go out (retirees) especially if they're taking their wives shopping, it gives them something to read while that is happening.


Re: SL-SF, KCS, CIL Boxcar Kits (was Re: [RealSTMFC] 3 new 40'er for Collinsville)

 

Armand,

An easy way to add a Monon car from that era is the '37 AAR  9000 series car that the Monon Society had Red Caboose run.  Caboose Hobbies is now the vendor for the Society models:  

https://www.caboosehobbies.com/

These models are decorated in the as-delivered early 1940s scheme which will work for you, but they were also painted later in every other scheme the Monon had, including the white stripe.  Mont did detailing articles for them in (I think) Mainline modeler.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide


Re: Slim pickings for RR magazine

Brian Termunde
 

Frankly, I get far more out of RMC than I do MR, especially since for any half decent content, you have to pay extra for with the MR Video Minus  ) ;  [


Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah


Re: New Walthers freight cars

Allen Cain
 

Charlie Vik, 

Today there are so few LHS that it would have to be a "virtual" countertop.

Sad, but true.

Allen Cain


Photo: Wood Pipe Load

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Wood Pipe Load

A photo from The History of Sanitary Sewers website:

https://www.sewerhistory.org/images/pi/pil/1943_pil01.jpg

Notice the tree sapling cribbing.

Caption from the site: "Substitute materials used in WWII: a shipment of 1,488 feet of 18-inch, 24-inch, 30-inch and 36-inch wooden pipe on one flat car. [Looks like a gondola car to me.] Weight 70,020 pounds. An equal footage of reinforced concrete pipe weighs 455,412 pounds and requires over ten cars. These pipes, used in place of corrugated iron or reinforced concrete pipes, were made of sections cut from short lengths of wood. Locking of adjacent rings with hardwood dowel pins produced a flexible structure. About 100,000 feet of these wooden pipes were installed in 1942 in drainage culverts, storm sewers and conduits, under highways and at army camps, naval stations, airfields and ordnance plants. Photo date 1943."

The History of Sanitary Sewers website: https://www.sewerhistory.org/

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: test

Paul Doggett
 

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Paul 


On 16 Jul 2019, at 20:32, rdietrichson <rdietrichson@...> wrote:

Thanks 














Thanks, it worked.

Rick






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From: "Paul Doggett via Groups.Io"
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday July 16 2019 3:28:10PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] test

Hello Rick 

Did that work.

Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 16 Jul 2019, at 20:25, rdietrichson <rdietrichson@...> wrote:




Could someone please forward any message on this group.


Thanks,


Rick



Re: test

rdietrichson
 

Thanks 














Thanks, it worked.

Rick






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From: "Paul Doggett via Groups.Io"
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday July 16 2019 3:28:10PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] test

Hello Rick 

Did that work.

Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 16 Jul 2019, at 20:25, rdietrichson <rdietrichson@...> wrote:




Could someone please forward any message on this group.


Thanks,


Rick



Re: test

Paul Doggett
 

Hello Rick 

Did that work.

Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 16 Jul 2019, at 20:25, rdietrichson <rdietrichson@...> wrote:




Could someone please forward any message on this group.


Thanks,


Rick



test

rdietrichson
 




Could someone please forward any message on this group.


Thanks,


Rick



Re: SL-SF, KCS, CIL Boxcar Kits (was Re: [RealSTMFC] 3 new 40'er for Collinsville)

Benjamin Hom
 

Bruce Smith wrote:
"It might also help for Armand to consult some archival material.

For example, Ted Culotta covered the St. Louis-San Francisco single sheathed boxcar in the FIRST installment of “Essential Freight Cars” in RMC in April, 2003. In the 38th installment (July, 2007) he covered Katy's single-sheathed boxcars. And of course, Mont Switzer has covered CIL boxcars in exquisite detail in several presentations at Cocoa Beach."

Indeed.  Another overlooked reference is Ed Hawkins' updated AAR boxcar spreadsheets at the Steam Era Freight Cars website.

If we look at the 1937 AAR 10 ft IH summary, we'll find that SL-SF, KCS, and CIL all had these boxcars, though in relatively small quantities (750 cars or less for each road), and there's a wealth of information on these cars, including types of appliances. From this, you can plan your projects based on your preferred kit.


Ben Hom



Re: New Walthers freight cars

Charlie Vlk
 

What I recall most about Train Miniature is they were the among the first if not the first company to have monthly releases back in the day when we felt blessed if Athearn would favor us with a new freight car once a year.

 

Their innovative countertop displays were also a first.  MDC Roundhouse tried that model but was ultimately not as successful with it as T-M was.

 

Today the marketplace has changed and countertops are no longer a marketing tool.   Micro-Trains in N Scale is the only major manufacturer delivering monthly releases and has done so consistently for decades.

 

Charlie Vlk


Re: Re-trucked Bx11/Bx12

Bob Chaparro
 

From other folks I'm getting a consensus that the cars were merely stored at Santa Fe Springs and then moved up the line to Vernon and Los Angeles as needed. This does make sense.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: SL-SF, KCS, CIL Boxcar Kits (was Re: [RealSTMFC] 3 new 40'er for Collinsville)

Bruce Smith
 

It might also help for Armand to consult some archival material.

For example, Ted Culotta covered the St. Louis-San Francisco single sheathed boxcar in the FIRST installment of “Essential Freight Cars” in RMC in April, 2003. In the 38th installment (July, 2007) he covered Katy's single-sheathed boxcars. And of course, Mont Switzer has covered CIL boxcars in exquisite detail in several presentations at Cocoa Beach.


Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Jul 16, 2019, at 9:50 AM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Armand Premo asked:
"Looking for a source for Frisco, KCS and CIL Boxcars Kits or RTR Any help would be appreciated."

I replied:
"That's a wide net.  Anything specific?"

Armand responded:
"Steam era box car, Single sheath, double sheath or ste[e]l. I need some representation of these roads.1950 cut off Although I would prefer 40[i]sh."

Still tantamount to asking "give me every boxcar kit that can be used to model these roads".  Sorry, but you're going to have to do some more homework to narrow down what you want.

First thought that comes to mind are PS-1s.  All three roads obtained PS-1s prior to 1950 - KCS in 1947 and 1948, SL-SF in 1948, and CIL in 1949.

These are low hanging fruit if you're willing to wait for Kadee to release these roadnames for their pre-1950 PS-1s.

Personally, I think post-1937 steel boxcars are over represented on most layouts as the models have been readily available over the history of the hobby, so going with PS-1s as representative examples might not be the way to go, especially if data shows a preponderance of other prototypes.


Ben Hom 


Re: BLI Penn Salt tank car paint schemes

Tim O'Connor
 

1961 photo

On 7/16/2019 12:08 AM, Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi Ed,

When I clerked in Portland Or in 1961-62, the Penn Salt tank cars were painted in cream yellow and with a black center band and bottom with blue PENN SALT lettering.  The cars themselves were larger 11k gallon ICC 105s, mostly for chlorine.  Penn Salt had a facility in Willbridge just west of the Guilds Lake Yard where I spent many working hours, so I saw them fairly often.  I think the brown car with cursive script "Chemicals" lettering was a scheme used in the 1940s.  The one photo I've seen (sorry, can't recall its source) shows that the car was an ARA Type V built in the teens.  I think it has a 1951 or 1954 test date, but that's hard to distinguish.  I haven't seen the third scheme.  I hope this helps.

Todd Sullivan
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