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Re: Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar

Tony Thompson
 

The comment below stimulates me to ask if there is a summary list anywhere of landmark dates for freight car paint schemes. A further example might be, “UP changes all lettering to yellow, 1947.”
Anyone?

The CP was repainting their steel cars with "Spans The World" starting in 1947 and so these cars woulf be being painted as well.

Re: Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar

John Riddell
 

Scott,

 

Regarding the colour, these cars had an orangey-brown hue.  Many published colour photos of these cars show this.   It would be best to study a colour photo and mix some paint to match.   There is no commercial paint that closely matches the orangey-brown shade.

 

These cars carried three lettering schemes: plain single line CANADIAN PACIFIC, 3 line stepped, and spans-the-world. Black Cat Publishing sells an excellent accurate set for each.

https://www.blackcatdecals.com/product-category/ho-decals/cpr/box-cars/

 

 

John Riddell

 

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Re: GM&O 40 ft Automobile CAr

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 12:00 PM, Paul Doggett wrote:
Try eBay for 0.005 shim brass.
Scott,
If you are in the states, try Mc Master Carr Co. for items like shim brass; thicknesses by every thousandth from .001" to .010", then .012 and .015:

https://www.mcmaster.com/brass-shims

Be aware that the first items shown on the list are big rolls, scroll down for the 8"x12" sheets.

Dennis Storzek

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Slim pickings for RR magazine

James SANDIFER
 

I regularly download and read, free from the web:
A.C.&Y H.S. News
The B&O Modeler
C&NW Modeler
Frisco Meteor seems to have ceased, last publication was 2013
Keystone Modeler
Nickel Plate Road Modeler's Notebook
New York Central Modeler
Rock Island Reporter
Seaboard-Coast Line Modeler.

There are multiple issued of each of these on the web with lots of great info in them. If you know of any others, post them in reply.

J. Stephen Sandifer

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Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Slim pickings for RR magazine

To add to what Ike said, several historical societies also put out digital "e-zines" that are geared specifically to modelers. The PRRT&HS has one called "The Keystone Modeler" that presents (among many articles) prototype info in support of a specific class of freight car, then shows what was done to model it. The society also supports manufacturer efforts by providing data packages for them to use in better modeling the prototype.

Elden Gatwood
PRRT&HS


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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 11:23 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Slim pickings for RR magazine

Although they are not strictly model railroading magazines, many Railroad historical groups produce high quality publications that are extremely useful to modelers. I am most familiar with the Southern, L&N, PRR, B&O and ACL/SAL groups’ work but others I do not see every issue; UP, NYC, N&W are superb sources of prototype information, several have excellent modeling sections.

With the growth of “prototype modeling” and RPM meets, the historical group publications may be the best source of prototype data today. It is true they do not serve “beginner” modelers but they are very useful for people that are interested in railroad history, the business of railroading and the technical and operational details of motive power and rolling stock.

Ike

Re: GM&O 40 ft Automobile CAr

gtws00
 

Scott and all, Thanks for the kind comments. I cut my shim brass much like styrene. I use a sharp xacto blade and using a straight edge. score a straight line a couple of times. I then place this in a PE (photo etch bender) at the fold line and bend the sheet back and forth carefully using a bending bar (a 6 inch or 12 inch steel rule from an old Starett Combination Square). It then usually snaps of on the 2 or 3rd bend. To fold, I use the same method, but follow up using my UUM-USA Micro Saw to deepen the groove about 1/2 the thickness of the brass I am bending. Next I insert in my PE Bender (From UUM-USA) and use the Starrett steel rule to bend against. 
The PE bender I use is more like a simple vice and are very inexpensive from UUM-USA. For folding longer pieces up to 150 mm (close to 6 inch) can be seen here http://umm-usa.com/onlinestore/product_info.php?products_id=67&osCsid=4ee4c1a824b807ecd36fd1d139aa1c7f
I also use two shorter 60 mm versions of this http://umm-usa.com/onlinestore/product_info.php?products_id=58
and this newer version with a bending brake on it http://umm-usa.com/onlinestore/product_info.php?products_id=59&osCsid=4ee4c1a824b807ecd36fd1d139aa1c7f
George

Re: Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar

Kemal Mumcu
 

The CPR seemed to be experimenting with different trucks with this series of cars. Some came with National Type B, some rode on Dalman 2 level with lateral motion devices. The above are available in HO scale.

The CP was repainting their steel cars with "Spans The World" starting in 1947 and so these cars woulf be being painted as well. It would be quite possible to see a 1932 car recently repainted in 1950.

Good luck.

Colin Meikle

Re: GM&O 40 ft Automobile CAr

Paul Doggett
 

Scott

Try eBay for 0.005 shim brass.

Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 17 Jul 2019, at 18:37, Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:

That's amazing George!  How did you cut and bend the brass?  Where do did you find .005 brass?

Scott McDonald

Re: Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar

Benjamin Hom
 

Scott McDonald asked:
"For our Canadian Pacific experts I am building a Funaro 1932 Boxcar and gathering up parts for it.  The instructions just say Bettendorf for trucks.  First is this accurate?  Did they have any lateral motion devices or anything?"

You just proved one of my points in the SL-SF/KCS/CIL thread.  Comprehensive 1932 ARA steel boxcar summary here:

Happy Hunting!


Ben Hom

Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar

Scott
 

For our Canadian Pacific experts I am building a Funaro 1932 Boxcar and gathering up parts for it.  The instructions just say Bettendorf for trucks.  First is this accurate?  Did they have any lateral motion devices or anything?  I was planning on using Scalecoat CP Freight Car Red will this be close enough to start.  I model 1950 so it will be weathered pretty good by then.

Thanks

Scott McDonald

Re: Slim pickings for RR magazine

Tony Thompson
 

George Eichelberger wrote:

Sorry, I did not intend to exclude ANY of the historical groups in my comment. We are fortunate there are too many for anyone to be a member of them all. Many are sold in hobby shops that carry White River publications . . . (Maybe WRP could publish a compendium a couple of times a year?)

    There is a listing that WRP runs, but it costs $200 to be included. The SPH&TS declined to pay.

Tony Thompson



Re: GM&O 40 ft Automobile CAr

Scott
 

That's amazing George!  How did you cut and bend the brass?  Where do did you find .005 brass?

Scott McDonald

Re: GM&O 40 ft Automobile CAr

O Fenton Wells
 

Excellent George, Make sure you explain the ladders, those look kinda intimidating to me.
Fenton

On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 8:26 AM gtws00 via Groups.Io <gtws00=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
A newer project in the works is a GM&O 40 ft Automobile car from the 35200-35249 series. The base kit for this build started with a Speedwitch kit consisting of a Branchline 7 ft door body and new resin parts and decals.
After obtaining a General Arrangement and Brake diagram from the St Louis National Museum of Transportation, I decided to scratch build a new floor matching the drawings. I also bent some new lower boor tracks from .005 brass. Attached are a couple photos of it progress. Long way to go yet on this project. Prototype photo credits go to Ed Hawkins
George Toman



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Re: New Walthers freight cars (Train Miniature )

Bob Chaparro
 

And for you trivia fans, what was the original name of Train Miniature?
Answer: Train Master. The first three months of advertisements for this company in Model Railroader used the name Train Master. But that name already belonged to Howell Day so the company switched to Train Miniature.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA 

Re: GM&O 40 ft Automobile CAr

Kemal Mumcu
 

I enjoy following your projects George. Keep us updated.

Colin Meikle

Re: GM&O 40 ft Automobile CAr

Paul Doggett
 

Beautiful work Geogre.

Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 17 Jul 2019, at 13:24, gtws00 via Groups.Io <gtws00@...> wrote:

A newer project in the works is a GM&O 40 ft Automobile car from the 35200-35249 series. The base kit for this build started with a Speedwitch kit consisting of a Branchline 7 ft door body and new resin parts and decals.
After obtaining a General Arrangement and Brake diagram from the St Louis National Museum of Transportation, I decided to scratch build a new floor matching the drawings. I also bent some new lower boor tracks from .005 brass. Attached are a couple photos of it progress. Long way to go yet on this project. Prototype photo credits go to Ed Hawkins
George Toman

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Re: Slim pickings for RR magazine

George Eichelberger
 

Jim:

Sorry, I did not intend to exclude ANY of the historical groups in my comment. We are fortunate there are too many for anyone to be a member of them all. Many are sold in hobby shops that carry White River publications. Years ago, I suggested to Bob Hundman (Mainline Modeler) that he might consider running a “prototype” article from one of the groups in issues of MM but he was not short of material. (Maybe WRP could publish a compendium a couple of times a year?)

Although I am not personally familiar with the RF&P group I expect the folks organizing the 2020 SRHA convention in Richmond have already contacted the RF&P, C&O and ACL/SAL groups to join us. In addition to having probably 40,000 Southern and CofG rolling stock drawings (many are STMFC from about 1900), the SRHA archives at TVRM include more than 17,000 Southern Railway Presidents’ files. The early history of Washington Union Station, the Washington Southern, RF&P and the WB&P are well covered. If time permits, we will see some interesting presentations on Richmond…at Richmond.

Ike

PS To close the loop to a STMFC subject, note that steam and transition era subject are the central focus of many historical groups. In addition to TIES magazine, the Southern Railway Historical Assoc. group on Groups.io includes discussions on a variety of subjects……everyone is welcome to join, SRHA member or not.

GM&O 40 ft Automobile CAr

gtws00
 

A newer project in the works is a GM&O 40 ft Automobile car from the 35200-35249 series. The base kit for this build started with a Speedwitch kit consisting of a Branchline 7 ft door body and new resin parts and decals.
After obtaining a General Arrangement and Brake diagram from the St Louis National Museum of Transportation, I decided to scratch build a new floor matching the drawings. I also bent some new lower boor tracks from .005 brass. Attached are a couple photos of it progress. Long way to go yet on this project. Prototype photo credits go to Ed Hawkins
George Toman

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Wood Pipe Load

mopacfirst
 

In 2008, we dug up some redwood pipes from a refinery in Port Arthur, Texas, that had been installed when the site was first developed in 1918.

Ron Merrick

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Wood Pipe Load

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Doug is right. I worked on a water tank made of redwood that had slipped off its foundation during the Loma Prieta earthquake that was over a hundred years old, and had broken its pipes off. It was quite a chore finding someone to repair it. Redwood pipes were used all over the west, and of course, shipped by railroad.

Elden Gatwood

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 11:08 PM
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I seem to recall water pipes made of redwood lasting up to a hundred years.

Blockedhttps://www.mendorailhistory.org/1_redwoods/redwood_pipes.htm <Blockedhttps://www.mendorailhistory.org/1_redwoods/redwood_pipes.htm>

Blockedhttps://www.notechmagazine.com/2010/09/wooden-stave-pipes.html <Blockedhttps://www.notechmagazine.com/2010/09/wooden-stave-pipes.html>



Doug Harding

Blockedwww.iowacentralrr.org



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 7:30 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Wood Pipe Load



While not the ones in the article we had some in the ground through the mid 1900’s in my hometown. They were being replaced when I was an engineering intern.

Brian J. Carlson P.E.


On Jul 16, 2019, at 8:18 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@... <mailto:bpehni@...> > wrote:

I can’t imagine they lasted long in service.

Thanks!

Brian Ehni

(Sent from my iPhone)


On Jul 16, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io <mailto:chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> > wrote:

Photo: Wood Pipe Load

A photo from The History of Sanitary Sewers website:

Blockedhttps://www.sewerhistory.org/images/pi/pil/1943_pil01.jpg <Blockedhttps://www.sewerhistory.org/images/pi/pil/1943_pil01.jpg>

Notice the tree sapling cribbing.

Caption from the site: "Substitute materials used in WWII: a shipment of 1,488 feet of 18-inch, 24-inch, 30-inch and 36-inch wooden pipe on one flat car. [Looks like a gondola car to me.] Weight 70,020 pounds. An equal footage of reinforced concrete pipe weighs 455,412 pounds and requires over ten cars. These pipes, used in place of corrugated iron or reinforced concrete pipes, were made of sections cut from short lengths of wood. Locking of adjacent rings with hardwood dowel pins produced a flexible structure. About 100,000 feet of these wooden pipes were installed in 1942 in drainage culverts, storm sewers and conduits, under highways and at army camps, naval stations, airfields and ordnance plants. Photo date 1943."

The History of Sanitary Sewers website: Blockedhttps://www.sewerhistory.org/ <Blockedhttps://www.sewerhistory.org/>

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Slim pickings for RR magazine

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

To add to what Ike said, several historical societies also put out digital "e-zines" that are geared specifically to modelers. The PRRT&HS has one called "The Keystone Modeler" that presents (among many articles) prototype info in support of a specific class of freight car, then shows what was done to model it. The society also supports manufacturer efforts by providing data packages for them to use in better modeling the prototype.

Elden Gatwood
PRRT&HS

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 11:23 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Slim pickings for RR magazine

Although they are not strictly model railroading magazines, many Railroad historical groups produce high quality publications that are extremely useful to modelers. I am most familiar with the Southern, L&N, PRR, B&O and ACL/SAL groups’ work but others I do not see every issue; UP, NYC, N&W are superb sources of prototype information, several have excellent modeling sections.

With the growth of “prototype modeling” and RPM meets, the historical group publications may be the best source of prototype data today. It is true they do not serve “beginner” modelers but they are very useful for people that are interested in railroad history, the business of railroading and the technical and operational details of motive power and rolling stock.

Ike