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Re: Mathieson Tank Cars (Caustic Soda)

Bob Chaparro
 

Around 1990 I took a tour of the GATX maintenance facility in Colton, CA. I recall the company tour guide told us caustic soda was the most problematic load they carried in their cars. He stated the glass (or was it epoxy?) lined tank cars would be good for about six loads before they had to be brought in, their interiors cleaned with metal shot and then relined.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar ( freight car paint schemes)

Bob Chaparro
 

Dick Harley produced this presentation on Union Pacific painting and lettering schemes covering 1940 to 1975:

https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/UP-PLN-FRT/2010-UP-Freight-PLN-Clinic/

The presentation is part of this UP Freight Car Painting & Lettering information:

https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/UP-PLN-FRT

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: 5th Avenue Car Shops/Accurail CB&Q XM-30 Boxcar

Benjamin Hom
 

Dave North asked:
"I have a 5th Avenue Car Shops decorated Accurail 40’ Wood Boxcar kit.
The road number is 26528.
Can anyone point me to an article on this series in any of the popular hobby magazines, please – or photos?
I particularly want to determine the style of stirrups and the design of the center sill.
The instruction suggest the underframe should be straight rather than a fishbelly.
Also want to confirm if that is correct."

Here's a photo of one in work service.
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1165099


Ben Hom


5th Avenue Car Shops/Accurail CB&Q XM-30 Boxcar

David North
 

I have a 5th Avenue Car Shops decorated Accurail 40’ Wood Boxcar kit.

The road number is 26528.

Can anyone point me to an article on this series in any of the popular hobby magazines, please – or photos?

I particularly want to determine the style of stirrups and the design of the center sill.

The instruction suggest the underframe should be straight rather than a fishbelly.

Also want to confirm if that is correct.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Cheers

Dave  


Re: Mathieson Tank Cars

Tim O'Connor
 


To illustrate Ben's point - a GATC Type 17 built in 1918, photographed in 1957.

The age of the tank was probably important enough to record the built date clearly
on the tank.



On 7/18/2019 8:42 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Claus Schlund wrote:
"I like how the car is stencilled NEW 8-19
LOL!"

Not weird at all.  Tank cars were billed by volume, not weight, so they were light weighed only once during their service lives - when built.  We've pointed this out numerous times over they years on both lists.


Ben Hom


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Mathieson Tank Cars

Tim O'Connor
 


Perhaps not used together, but sometimes produced together. I think the Penn Salt
and Hooker plants in Tacoma made both. Both products would be used in the northwest
and west coast.





On 7/18/2019 7:34 AM, Bruce Smith wrote:


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Mathieson Tank Cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Hazard Placards 2029 and 2030.

Highly Corrosive - so either a glass lined or aluminum tank.

On 7/18/2019 12:58 AM, C J Wyatt wrote:

This is what MTH thinks about that (smoking no less):

https://www.mthtrains.com/30-73549

I am not convinced. Nowadays they talk about DOT 105J500W tank cars for the stuff.

Jack Wyatt







On Thursday, July 18, 2019, 12:22:42 AM EDT, Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:





I would be curious what kind of rail car they transported Hydrazine in.  That is some scary stuff.  My good friend said they got hazard pay or something like it when they had to service the EPU on the F16 because of that stuff.

Scott McDonald
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Mathieson Tank Cars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Ben,
 
Your statement is of course completely correct - I was refering to the notion that nothing about this car's construction makes a 1919 build date plausible.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mathieson Tank Cars

Claus Schlund wrote:
"I like how the car is stencilled NEW 8-19
LOL!"

Not weird at all.  Tank cars were billed by volume, not weight, so they were light weighed only once during their service lives - when built.  We've pointed this out numerous times over they years on both lists.


Ben Hom


Re: Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar

Benjamin Hom
 

Tony Thompson asked:
"The comment below stimulates me to ask if there is a summary list anywhere of landmark dates for freight car paint schemes. A further example might be, 'UP changes all lettering to yellow, 1947.'  Anyone?"
> The CP was repainting their steel cars with "Spans The World" starting in 1947 and so these cars would be being painted as well.

John Nehrich took a shot at it - the results are on the pay side of the RPI website.


Ben Hom


Re: Mathieson Tank Cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Claus Schlund wrote:
"I like how the car is stencilled NEW 8-19
LOL!"

Not weird at all.  Tank cars were billed by volume, not weight, so they were light weighed only once during their service lives - when built.  We've pointed this out numerous times over they years on both lists.


Ben Hom


Re: Mathieson Tank Cars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


I like how the car is stencilled NEW 8-19
 
LOL!
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
From: C J Wyatt
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mathieson Tank Cars



This is what MTH thinks about that (smoking no less):

https://www.mthtrains.com/30-73549

I am not convinced. Nowadays they talk about DOT 105J500W tank cars for the stuff.

Jack Wyatt







On Thursday, July 18, 2019, 12:22:42 AM EDT, Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:





I would be curious what kind of rail car they transported Hydrazine in. That is some scary stuff. My good friend said they got hazard pay or something like it when they had to service the EPU on the F16 because of that stuff.

Scott McDonald






Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Mathieson Tank Cars

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bruce;

Anhydrous ammonia was/is used as a soil amendment in agricultural applications mostly. AA was produced as a by-product of the coking process, for one, and was often transported to agricultural regions for application. So, you could see these all over the country.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Griffin
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 9:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Mathieson Tank Cars

Group,

I got a bargain on a Kadee ACF 11k insulated tank car lettered for Mathieson Chemicals (SHPX) #2570 stenciled for anhydrous ammonia transport. I am also considering the RCW ACF 8k insulated tank car for Mathieson Chemical (SHPX) 4009-4014 and 4031-4032 stenciled for caustic soda loading to pair together on a through freight.

I am trying to learn a little more about the car’s contents. Who/where they were produced and then consumed. There are some old posts in this group’s archives and the article linked below possibly point to their Saltville, Va. plant. I was wondering if they would be used together to produce something but that seems unlikely. If they were produced at the same plant they could be shipped out together and appear on the same train and eventually end up on a through freight on the1950 B&O tracks I model. They don’t seem to react strongly together so shipping together doesn’t seem like an issue.

Blockedhttp://newspapers.digitalnc.org/lccn/2014236906/1954-07-01/ed-1/seq-5.pdf

Blockedhttp://newspapers.digitalnc.org/lccn/2014236906/1954-05-01/ed-1/seq-6.pdf

The article is an interesting read and I am curious if anyone on the group has further insights. Thank you for your consideration

Beat Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, Md.


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint and Lettering schemes; was Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

I agree with John. My stack of research on the PRR's paint and lettering schemes is over 150 pages, and just covers the 20th century. While fairly definitive, it also illustrates that in some cases it took several years to transition, due to the many class drawings that had to be prepared. Full implementation of the PRR's "Shadow Keystone" scheme of the mid-fifties, took over 2 years to fully document, and of course, never was fully applied due to the large number of cars that "never came home", or were in captive/dedicated service.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Riddell
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 11:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar

Tony.

I am not aware of such a summary list of dates for freight car paint schemes. It would be a VERY long list considering the large number of railroads, car types number of lettering schemes and number of versions of evolving lettering schemes.

John Riddell


Re: Mathieson Tank Cars

Bruce Smith
 

Bruce,


Anhydrous Amonia

https://study.com/academy/lesson/anhydrous-ammonia-uses-safety.html



Caustic Soda

https://www.icis.com/explore/resources/news/2007/11/01/9075189/caustic-soda-uses-and-market-data

Not sure that they would be used together...

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bruce Griffin <bdg1210@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 8:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Mathieson Tank Cars
 
Group,

I got a bargain on a Kadee ACF 11k insulated tank car lettered for Mathieson Chemicals (SHPX) #2570 stenciled for anhydrous ammonia transport. I am also considering the RCW ACF 8k insulated tank car for Mathieson Chemical (SHPX) 4009-4014 and 4031-4032 stenciled for caustic soda loading to pair together on a through freight. 

I am trying to learn a little more about the car’s contents. Who/where they were produced and then consumed. There are some old posts in this group’s archives and the article linked below possibly point to their Saltville, Va. plant. I was wondering if they would be used together to produce something but that seems unlikely. If they were produced at the same plant they could be shipped out together and appear on the same train and eventually end up on a through freight on the1950 B&O tracks I model. They don’t seem to react strongly together so shipping together doesn’t seem like an issue. 

http://newspapers.digitalnc.org/lccn/2014236906/1954-07-01/ed-1/seq-5.pdf

http://newspapers.digitalnc.org/lccn/2014236906/1954-05-01/ed-1/seq-6.pdf

The article is an interesting read and I am curious if anyone on the group has further insights. Thank you for your consideration 

Beat Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, Md. 


Re: Mathieson Tank Cars

C J Wyatt
 

This is what MTH thinks about that (smoking no less):

https://www.mthtrains.com/30-73549

I am not convinced. Nowadays they talk about DOT 105J500W tank cars for the stuff.

Jack Wyatt

On Thursday, July 18, 2019, 12:22:42 AM EDT, Scott <repairman87@...> wrote:





I would be curious what kind of rail car they transported Hydrazine in.  That is some scary stuff.  My good friend said they got hazard pay or something like it when they had to service the EPU on the F16 because of that stuff.

Scott McDonald


Re: Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar

Scott
 

Thanks John,

I have some spare Dalmans.  I beleive they are 2 level but they will have to do. 

Scott McDonald


Re: Mathieson Tank Cars

Scott
 

I would be curious what kind of rail car they transported Hydrazine in.  That is some scary stuff.  My good friend said they got hazard pay or something like it when they had to service the EPU on the F16 because of that stuff.

Scott McDonald


Re: Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar

John Riddell
 

Tony.

I am not aware of such a summary list of dates for freight car paint schemes. It would be a VERY long list considering the large number of railroads, car types number of lettering schemes and number of versions of evolving lettering schemes.

John Riddell


Re: Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar

John Riddell
 

Scott,

The CC&F car specs of 1929 specify this CPR car had Dalman truck frames.

John Riddell


Mathieson Tank Cars

Bruce Griffin
 

Group,

I got a bargain on a Kadee ACF 11k insulated tank car lettered for Mathieson Chemicals (SHPX) #2570 stenciled for anhydrous ammonia transport. I am also considering the RCW ACF 8k insulated tank car for Mathieson Chemical (SHPX) 4009-4014 and 4031-4032 stenciled for caustic soda loading to pair together on a through freight. 

I am trying to learn a little more about the car’s contents. Who/where they were produced and then consumed. There are some old posts in this group’s archives and the article linked below possibly point to their Saltville, Va. plant. I was wondering if they would be used together to produce something but that seems unlikely. If they were produced at the same plant they could be shipped out together and appear on the same train and eventually end up on a through freight on the1950 B&O tracks I model. They don’t seem to react strongly together so shipping together doesn’t seem like an issue. 

http://newspapers.digitalnc.org/lccn/2014236906/1954-07-01/ed-1/seq-5.pdf

http://newspapers.digitalnc.org/lccn/2014236906/1954-05-01/ed-1/seq-6.pdf

The article is an interesting read and I am curious if anyone on the group has further insights. Thank you for your consideration 

Beat Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, Md.