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does anyone collect unbuilt WestRail kits (or maybe even still builds them)?

C J Wyatt
 

I suspect that some WestRail kits are out there which the purchaser never got around to building. Are any of the kits considered collector's items because of the historical significance of Richard Hendrickson and his wife's company advancing the knowledge of details in freight car modeling. Has anyone compiled a complete list of the company's production and do any kits in the line still fill a need which has yet to be covered?

Appreciate any thoughts about this.

Jack Wyatt

 


Re: Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar ( freight car paint schemes)

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

I too still use Windows 7, Bonb, and hate the thought of having to downgrade to Windows 10 given its reputation for instability.
Congress needs to smarten up and update the copyright laws so the when any software developer like Microscrew discontinues
any program the copyright will automatically end so that someone else can pick it up and continue to provide service for it. I'm damn tired of having to artificially subsidize Microsoft by purchasing a new program that simply hs more crap than I want or need and generally is not as good as the one I was using. The definition of Microsoft is "Never have so few offered so little of value and been able to steal so much money for doing so". It wold take a pretty long train of hoppers to haul off all the waste Microsoft builds into it programs and gets away with.

Just my two bits worth, Don Valentine


Viking roof color question

Tom Madden
 

I bought this assembled and detailed P2K model on eBay five or more years ago and set it aside. (The price was attractive.) It's very well done with lots of extra detail and what I'm almost certain is one of my 50' resin replacement Viking roofs. But the roof is painted silver, and I thought those NKP cars had black roofs. Was there a silver variation?

Tom Madden


Accurail H31a red

Lloyd Keyser
 

Hey Guys, I hate to bring this up so will stick with just this car.  But what is the matching paint for the Accurail H31a composite hopper? I have two other X-29's and all three cars are a different shade of "oxide red."


Re: 1937 AAR boxcar with wrong roof 😞😞😞

Tim O'Connor
 


Didn't these cars receive the Buy War Bonds billboard letters after the war broke out?

I think this car lost its original spelled out road name to the War Bonds lettering and then
that was blanked at - resulting in this by the 1950's.

Tim O'



On 7/19/2019 3:39 PM, Bill Keene via Groups.Io wrote:
Can someone offer a recommendation for a source of decals for the C&EI 1937 AAR box car in its as-delivered paint scheme?

Thanks & cheers,
Bill Keene


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: 1937 AAR boxcar with wrong roof 😞😞😞

Tim O'Connor
 


The Speedwitch set billboard letters are "too skinny" IMO. YMMV.



On 7/19/2019 10:41 PM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io wrote:
The schemes are explained the links.

 The Black Cat set is for the postwar 12 panel car, not the 1937 AAR car. The cars are years apart so differences are not unusual. 

The speedwitch set is the original 1937 AAR as-built lettering. 

The protoctaft set is also the as built lettering and lettering for at least one other car that was repainted by the railroad. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jul 19, 2019, at 10:21 PM, steve_wintner via Groups.Io <steve_wintner@...> wrote:

Regarding C&EI paint, there are also these : https://www.blackcatdecals.com/product/cei66359-chicago-eastern-illinois-acf-built-40-box-car-skinny-lettering/

It seems to have a slightly different font than the Speedwitch set to the right of the door. And the builders photo above shows no lettering right of the door.

And this set has two different E's left of the door.
https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=410&Categoryid=20&This_Sub_Sub_Category=CEI

Anyone have an understanding of the variations on this scheme? Or a link or book?

Steve


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: 1937 AAR boxcar with wrong roof 😞😞😞

Tim O'Connor
 

I didn't know Black Cat did these, thanks! I saw the Speedwitch decals applied
to a model, and they look wrong to me. If these Black Cat decals match the photo,
good. The ProtoCraft lettering (no longer shown on the web site) are also more
like the photo than the Speedwitch set. IMO.

Tim O'

On 7/19/2019 10:21 PM, steve_wintner via Groups.Io wrote:
Regarding C&EI paint, there are also these : https://www.blackcatdecals.com/product/cei66359-chicago-eastern-illinois-acf-built-40-box-car-skinny-lettering/

It seems to have a slightly different font than the Speedwitch set to the right of the door. And the builders photo above shows no lettering right of the door.

And this set has two different E's left of the door.
https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=410&Categoryid=20&This_Sub_Sub_Category=CEI

Anyone have an understanding of the variations on this scheme? Or a link or book?

Steve
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: freight car paint schemes was:[RealSTMFC] Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar

Eric Lombard
 

Jeff, please feel free to do so.


On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 7:38 PM Aley, Jeff A <Jeff.A.Aley@...> wrote:

Fantastic!  May we post a copy in the RealSTMFC FILES section?

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Lombard
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 1:34 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: freight car paint schemes was:[RealSTMFC] Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar

 

Hello Everyone...

 

Tony wrote: " I didn't have in mind a COMPLETE list of EVERY change on EVERY railroad. But many of us could benefit from a timeline of MAJOR changes on the big railroads."  

 

I dare offer up attached spreadsheet for examination. As some of you know, I have been working on a database of box cars since the mid-eighties. The focus is documentation for every box car series built new between 1910 and 1944. Also included is every series renumbered, or rebuilt, or renumbered and rebuilt from those new series, all with service histories based on ORER car counts, railroad records, government publications, and other documentation. This extends the scope of the data into the early 1980's. Certain series suiting my eclectic tastes reach back into the 1890's. As a relational database, series are linked to published photos, plans, equipment diagrams, and citations from documents. At the moment there are (rounded) entries for 8500 series representing 576 car owners, based on 31,000 citations to 5500 documents. In addition, there are links to 13,400 instances of photos and 6600 drawings, I recite this to put the attached spreadsheet in perspective.

 

The timeline constructed as a side project to the above has 1700 records. The attached excerpt at 451 records is a subset related to RR specific graphics and general MCB, ARA, AAR recommendations or requirements. The entries are accessioned only when encountered in pursuit of information related to the larger goal above: i.e.no attempt has been made to research paint and heraldry in a dedicated way. 

 

Reviewing the entries the deficits of a textural description not accompanied by drawings and photos is evident. A relational database can do that with the addition of those items. At 450 entries over 35 years my accession rate has been about 15/year. Based on that I think dedicated work by a few focused individuals could complete a very useful document in less than a year.

 

Comments?

 

Eric Lombard

Homewood, IL

 

 

On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 7:26 PM al.kresse <water.kresse@...> wrote:

Are you only interested in western railroads? Every type of revenue producing car? . . . or also M&W and cabooses? What eras  . . . . 1900-1972 say for the C&O? . . . or 1926-1962?  etc.?

Al Kresse

> On July 18, 2019 at 7:55 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
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>       I didn't have in mind a COMPLETE list of EVERY change on EVERY railroad. But many of us could benefit from a timeline of MAJOR changes on the big railroads. I don't think it would have to be huge, though of course some railroads were pretty changeable.
>        Likely few if any of us could sit down and write it. But most of us know ONE railroad (or a few) well enough to summarize. That's the kind of thing I meant. I can offer an SP one and a few other roads I know.
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Re: Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar ( freight car paint schemes)

Bob Chaparro
 

Try Chrome or Firefox. These can be used temporarily without changing your preferred browser. I have Windows 7 and now have to use other browsers for some link and videos.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: 3-4 resin end

O Fenton Wells
 

Try Craig Zeni. he may have the part.


On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 9:41 AM mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:
Anybody know of a source for the 3-4 resin end that Stan Rydarowcz made?  The one I'm thinking of has no intermediate ribs or any significant flat space above the topmost rib.

Ron Merrick



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


3-4 resin end

mopacfirst
 

Anybody know of a source for the 3-4 resin end that Stan Rydarowcz made?  The one I'm thinking of has no intermediate ribs or any significant flat space above the topmost rib.

Ron Merrick


Re: Anyone looking for a Terry Wegmann PFE R-30-18 kit? SOLD

C J Wyatt
 

Bill, Thanks for your interest. 

Unfortunately, the kit has been sold.

Jack Wyatt

On Saturday, July 20, 2019, 06:42:29 AM EDT, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:


I would be interested but cannot figure out how to reply off list w/o your email address.

Bill Welch


Re: 1932 ARA body styles [was: Atlas Freight Car Announcement]

Eric Hansmann
 

Indeed. Ted's book on these 1932 ARA boxcars would be the ideal starting point.

http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/the-american-railway-association-standard-box-car-of-1932/



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On July 20, 2019 at 4:39 AM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Buy the 1932 book.

Bill Welch


Re: Anyone looking for a Terry Wegmann PFE R-30-18 kit?

Scott H. Haycock
 

Bill,


At the bottom of each post, is an area headed by "Groups Io Links:". One of the choices is "Reply to Sender". Click there to send a reply to the poster.


Scott Haycock

On July 20, 2019 at 4:42 AM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

I would be interested but cannot figure out how to reply off list w/o your email address.

Bill Welch


Re: Anyone looking for a Terry Wegmann PFE R-30-18 kit?

Bill Welch
 
Edited

I would be interested but cannot figure out how to reply off list w/o your email address.

Bill Welch
fgexbill(at)tampabay.rr.com


Re: 1932 ARA body styles [was: Atlas Freight Car Announcement]

Bill Welch
 

Buy the 1932 book.

Bill Welch


Re: 1932 ARA body styles [was: Atlas Freight Car Announcement]

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Don,

Thanks. Your list is excellent, but I was hoping to find out which roads had various body types. I suppose I could match your list with the list on STMFC, but that looks like it would be a project larger than I have time for right now. I will roll this around for a while.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 7/19/19 5:11 PM, Don Burn wrote:

Garth,

 

     From a post I did when the cars first came out:

 

Style #1 Long Tab Body,  Murphy Panel Roof,          4/4 Dreadnaught Ends

Style #2 Long Tab Body,  11-Panel Flat Riveted Roof, Riveted Ends

Style #3 Short Tab Body, Hutchins Radial Roof,       4/4 Dreadnaught End

Style #4 Short Tab Body, Viking Corrugated Roof,     Buckeye ends

Style #5 Long Tab Body,  11-Panel Flat Rivet Roof,   4/4 Dreadnaught Ends

Style #6 Long Tab Body,  Viking Corrugated Roof,     4/4 Dreadnaught Ends

Style #7 Long Tab Body,  Murphy Panel Roof,          Flat Riveted Ends

 

Don Burn

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 1:23 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Atlas Freight Car Announcement

 

Bill and Friends,

I see that Atlas will be offering their ARA 1932 boxcar in an undecorated in "Body Style 2" (with the flat plate ends). This is essentially correct for the Seaboard class B-6, though it does have some problems. Upgrading this car was covered by John Golden and Justin May in the SEABOARD-COAST LINE MODELER for March 2009. This car is useful for all us steam-era "Y'all Railroad" modelers. I may to try to get one, though I need another boxcar like I need a hole in my head.

I see they are offering undecorated models of styles 1, 2 and 5. Has anyone ever done an analysis of the various Atlas body styles for the 1932 ARA boxcars? I know some of the detail combinations were worthy of Train Miniature, but with a shot-gun approach at least some of these must have had a prototype or two beside the standard design. I do have a print-out of John Hile's STMFC post from 2008, but it only discusses six cars Atlas released pre-lettered: CG, CRR, I-GN, MEC, CRR and WRTCo. Since I have a couple of F&C kits, plus a Sunshine Norfolk Southern, all unbuilt, I probably won't spring for any others unless the bodies are unique.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 7/19/19 5:35 AM, Bill Welch wrote:

This link shows a few freight car releases for the era of this group. I like undecorated and so the three 1932 variations are of interest to me plus I think I may get one of the little meat reefers: https://mycaboose.com/new-releases/atlas-ho-rolling-stock-summer-advanced-reservations?utm_source=Caboose+Newsletter&utm_campaign=e5cbde1b3e-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_03_09_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_907397b93c-e5cbde1b3e-100264421&mc_cid=e5cbde1b3e&mc_eid=fef507ff99

Not sure why "ATHEARN" is present but I think it can be ignored

Bill Welch

 



Re: Mathieson Tank Cars

Jack Mullen
 

On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 08:13 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
The age of the tank was probably important enough to record the built date clearly
on the tank.
Yes, but the built date for the tank isn't the date stenciled next to the weight, it's the built date at the bottom of the tank data at the right end of the tank. There's also a built date on the frame. The three dates are most often the same, but not necessarily so.  A tank of a given age can be mounted on an older or newer frame, and sometimes a tank car bears a weigh date that's newer than the car.

Jack


Re: Mathieson Tank Cars

Jack Mullen
 

On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 03:44 AM, RICH CHAPIN wrote:
I would think no shipping in adjacent tank cars
Placement of an anhydrous ammonia tank car next to one of caustic soda isn't prohibited today. Anhydrous is placarded as non-flammable gas, caustic as corrosive.  I can't access some notes I have on steam era hazmat rules, but they covered far fewer commodities, and restrictions were fewer and simpler than modern rules.

Jack Mullen


Re: 1937 AAR boxcar with wrong roof 😞😞😞

Tony Thompson
 

Brian Carlson wrote:

Ok. While not definitive there have been cases where commercial builders used stencils that were not exactly the same as the railroads own.
Certainly true for SP, especially at the end of the 1930s. New cars not following the 1931 SP drawing. Seems unlikely that SP wouldn’t send same.
Tony Thompson

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