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Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053

Bruce Smith
 

Tim,


The steel floor of these cars likely had holes for rods used as tie downs. Some steel floored flat cars had holes that were essentially a larger diameter circle partially superimposed on a smaller circle. The rod with either a bent end or a bolt on the end, could be fitted through the large hole and then slid over into the smaller hole, resulting in the rod being retained by the deck.


Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith




From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 6:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
 

I don't really care what it is, but I'd like to know what those heavy
steel rods are attached to on the deck of the flat car. Didn't those flats
have heavy steel floors? Are the rods bored into the deck?




On 7/21/2019 3:55 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053

A 1946 photo:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A943.84664.GN/viewer

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: Loading the Cyclotron for Shipment.

A cyclotron is a device to accelerate charged atomic and subatomic particles by an alternating electric field. More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron

I believe the photo shows some non-operating part of the cyclotron, perhaps a support base.

Bob Chaparro



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

Bruce Smith
 

The short flat car behind it is pretty cool too!  The gondola is a class GRA.

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL




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Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 2:56 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Gondola 384661
 

Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

A 1941 photo:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.7300.RR/viewer

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: View of 40-foot gondola car #384661, built circa 1912. This car originally belonged to the Western New York and Pennsylvania Railroad.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: 1937 AAR boxcar with wrong roof 😞😞😞

Bruce Smith
 

And then there is the question of the color of the door on this car! 😉  We've discussed this in the past, and I'm still voting for black.


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL




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Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 1:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 1937 AAR boxcar with wrong roof 😞😞😞
 
Tim, Protocraft does have a buy war bonds set as well.
https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=417&Categoryid=20&This_Sub_Sub_Category=CEI
www.protocraft.com
In January of 1937, the C&EI took delivery of 500 1937 AAR box cars built by General American Transportion Corporation. Assigned road numbers were 64000-64499.



That's an interesting photo. I note Yarmouth's kit of the 1949 built ACF car has no lettering to the right of the door. But this photo also has none in 1957, although a 1953 photo on Protocraft does have it, as does the photo on Black Cats site. A guess: they received lettering to the right as a repaint, perhaps the doors turned red at that time too. Somehow, some never got that lettering, some got the war bonds slogan, and the war bonds slogan was removed too. 

Brian's point about stencils varying through the years, even for ostensibly the same scheme, is valid. The E, for example.

Protocraft lists a different scheme as the 1961 scheme, for those modeling a later time.





Brake Levers

Lester Breuer
 

I have added a new post on model brake levers on my blog that shows how I make my own brake levers from Evergreen strip styrene.  In addition, it provides prototype information and information on the commercial brake  levers I like to use when doing underbody work.  If you are interested in viewing photos and writeup of various installed brake levers, you can on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer


Re: B&O Wagontop Boxcar

Ed
 

Tim,
You are correct in that there is a lot of info about the M53 and Duryea underframes. Unfortunately, there is only 1 photo that seems to show the long braces and nothing that indicates how/where the short braces mount. Perhaps I just missed it but I was hopeful that someone on this list would be able to shed some light on the specifics regarding location of the braces.

Ed Robinson


Re: Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

Tim O'Connor
 


sublettered for WNY&P but always painted PENNSYLVANIA

I like that tiny P&LE flat car in the background! any better photos of those?



On 7/21/2019 3:56 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

A 1941 photo:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.7300.RR/viewer

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: View of 40-foot gondola car #384661, built circa 1912. This car originally belonged to the Western New York and Pennsylvania Railroad.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053

Tim O'Connor
 


I don't really care what it is, but I'd like to know what those heavy
steel rods are attached to on the deck of the flat car. Didn't those flats
have heavy steel floors? Are the rods bored into the deck?




On 7/21/2019 3:55 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053

A 1946 photo:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A943.84664.GN/viewer

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: Loading the Cyclotron for Shipment.

A cyclotron is a device to accelerate charged atomic and subatomic particles by an alternating electric field. More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron

I believe the photo shows some non-operating part of the cyclotron, perhaps a support base.

Bob Chaparro



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar ( freight car paint schemes)

Terry Link
 

I don't believe it's a browser/OS problem. For some reason - there is a
'dot' missing in the links

If you click on the link in the email:
https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/UP-PLN-FRT/2010-UP-Freight-PLN-Clinic/

It is trying to take you to
https://harley-trains.smugmugcom/UP-PLN-FRT/2010-UP-Freight-PLN-Clinic/

Note the missing '.' in front of com/UP-PLN-FRT/2010-UP-Freight-PLN-Clinic/

So in your browser - simply insert the '.' in front of the
com/UP-PLN-FRT/2010-UP-Freight-PLN-Clinic/ and you should be able to view
the page.


Terry Link

-----Original Message-----
From: James SANDIFER

I can???t make either of these links open. Any suggestions?

J. Stephen Sandifer


Dick Harley produced this presentation on Union Pacific painting and
lettering schemes covering 1940 to 1975:

https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/UP-PLN-FRT/2010-UP-Freight-PLN-Clinic/

The presentation is part of this UP Freight Car Painting & Lettering
information:

https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/UP-PLN-FRT

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: B&O Wagontop Boxcar

Steve and Barb Hile
 

They are part of the Duryea underframe.  The body of the car and trucks can move along the center sill.  The Duryea design evolved over time and these pieces changed shape a bit.  But the longer one goes toward the center of the car and the shorter one towards the couple.  Here is a snip from a drawing in the 1940 CBC
 
 
And this snip is one of Duryea underframes (not for the B&O wagon tops, but similar).
 
 
Hope this helps.
 
Steve Hile
 
 



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ed
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 1:48 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] B&O Wagontop Boxcar

I have asked this question on another group but no one seemed to have an answer. I hope someone on this group can help.

I am building a F&C wagontop boxcar for the B&O and I cannot figure out how certain items on the underframe are arranged. Specifically, I am referring to the long and short triangular bolster braces.  Where do these mount on the underframe and to what purpose do they serve?

Ed Robinson


Re: Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar ( freight car paint schemes)

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 7/21/2019 2:33 PM, Tom Larsen wrote:
It appears that your problem could be a personal setting in your browser or that you haven't updated your operating system and/or browser to a current version, thus creating some sort of conflict.

Win10 with auto update.  IE 11 ver 11.615.17763.0 (this is auto update I think.  I can't remember the wording but suspect it's a IE problem.

-- 
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For me time stopped in 1941
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SPROG User
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Member SFRH&MS


Re: Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar ( freight car paint schemes)

Tom Larsen
 

Jon Miller wrote about HTTPS links from Bob Chaparro:
>Someone told me that one can't get to these (and other) pages because they are https:
>However I can get to other https: pages. It appears to be random. This is with Win10.
******
Using Windows 10 and Google Chrome as my standard browser I have no problem clicking on the links. They open the destination without problems.
Copying the link and pasting it into Microsoft Edge opens the page without problems also.
It appears that your problem could be a personal setting in your browser or that you haven't updated your operating system and/or browser to a current version, thus creating some sort of conflict.

For a quick and not to technical explanation on the differences of HTTP and HTTPS take a look here:
https://love2dev.com/blog/how-https-works/

HTTPS is not a limitation to the accessability of WEB pages.
HTTPS adds a secure layer to the HTTP communication, any up-to-date browser/OS combination should open a valid page with no problem.

Clinging to your older OS system is asking for trouble, as it won't be updated when new security threats occur and not everyone you come accross on the internet plays nice these days.

Hope you get to use the links, the information is quite interesting and will bring you back to Steam Era Freight Cars, as we should be concentration on.

Kind regards

Tom Larsen
Holte, Denmark


Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Probably correct that this load is some part of the base or frame of the machine.

A cyclotron consists mainly of two “D” shaped vacuum chambers surrounded by a big magnet and some RF coils. The two vacuum chambers are arranged flat-face to flat face forming a cylindrical chamber divided into two segments. A beam of electrons circulates inside this chamber, constrained in circular flight by the external magnetic field, and shuttling between the two chambers. The RF alternates the polarity the two “D” chambers, causing the electrons in the rotating beam to be attracted to one, and repelled by the other. Timing the RF polarity-swaps properly causes the electrons to accelerate.

Early cyclotrons were mostly about the size of a garden shed. Later were the size of a house. A big improvement came with the development of superconducting magnets allowing stronger magnetic fields. Modern “atom smashers” are vastly larger, but work mostly the same way, though they are now so big the magnet has to be split into segments and distributed around the ring. The largest in the USA is the “Tevatron” at Fermilab west of Chicago. The world's largest currently is the LHC at CERN in Europe.  Its “ring” is almost 17 miles around, and there are 1232 superconducting magnets to constrain the beam. It’s the largest single machine on Earth.

Dan Mitchell
==========

On Jul 21, 2019, at 3:55 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
A 1946 photo:
Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.
Description: Loading the Cyclotron for Shipment.
A cyclotron is a device to accelerate charged atomic and subatomic particles by an alternating electric field. More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron
I believe the photo shows some non-operating part of the cyclotron, perhaps a support base.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR Gondola 384661

A 1941 photo:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.7300.RR/viewer

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: View of 40-foot gondola car #384661, built circa 1912. This car originally belonged to the Western New York and Pennsylvania Railroad.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053

A 1946 photo:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A943.84664.GN/viewer

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: Loading the Cyclotron for Shipment.

A cyclotron is a device to accelerate charged atomic and subatomic particles by an alternating electric field. More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron

I believe the photo shows some non-operating part of the cyclotron, perhaps a support base.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: B&O Wagontop Boxcar

Joseph
 

Ed,
That is part of the Duryea cushion underframe.  The short ones go on either side of the draft gear.  The long ones are to go next to the underframe. The taller end goes against the bolster
I think the RPC issue on these has a photo or drawing

Don’t know which issue as I am at sons soccer training, enjoying the not90+ weather
Joe Binish
New Hope MN

On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 1:47 PM Ed <lehighman@...> wrote:
I have asked this question on another group but no one seemed to have an answer. I hope someone on this group can help.

I am building a F&C wagontop boxcar for the B&O and I cannot figure out how certain items on the underframe are arranged. Specifically, I am referring to the long and short triangular bolster braces.  Where do these mount on the underframe and to what purpose do they serve?

Ed Robinson


Re: B&O Wagontop Boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 

Ed

The SEARCH function on the RealSTMFC (groups.io) is quite good.

It sounds like you're looking at parts for the DURYEA underframe.

Search on "M-53" and "Duryea" (etc)

For years people suggested we compile everything we know about freight cars into
a Wiki page etc etc - but the archive is right here! Over 160,000 posts about steam
era freight cars. And a few dozen warnings from the sheriff.

Tim O'Connor

==============================================

On 7/21/2019 2:47 PM, Ed wrote:
I have asked this question on another group but no one seemed to have an answer. I hope someone on this group can help.

I am building a F&C wagontop boxcar for the B&O and I cannot figure out how certain items on the underframe are arranged. Specifically, I am referring to the long and short triangular bolster braces.  Where do these mount on the underframe and to what purpose do they serve?

Ed Robinson

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


B&O Wagontop Boxcar

Ed
 

I have asked this question on another group but no one seemed to have an answer. I hope someone on this group can help.

I am building a F&C wagontop boxcar for the B&O and I cannot figure out how certain items on the underframe are arranged. Specifically, I am referring to the long and short triangular bolster braces.  Where do these mount on the underframe and to what purpose do they serve?

Ed Robinson


Re: 1937 AAR boxcar with wrong roof 😞😞😞

steve_wintner
 

Tim, Protocraft does have a buy war bonds set as well.
https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=417&Categoryid=20&This_Sub_Sub_Category=CEI

That's an interesting photo. I note Yarmouth's kit of the 1949 built ACF car has no lettering to the right of the door. But this photo also has none in 1957, although a 1953 photo on Protocraft does have it, as does the photo on Black Cats site. A guess: they received lettering to the right as a repaint, perhaps the doors turned red at that time too. Somehow, some never got that lettering, some got the war bonds slogan, and the war bonds slogan was removed too. 

Brian's point about stencils varying through the years, even for ostensibly the same scheme, is valid. The E, for example.

Protocraft lists a different scheme as the 1961 scheme, for those modeling a later time.





Photo: PRR Gondola 367784

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR Gondola 367784

A 1913 photo:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A715.133520.CP/from_search/b65d5c930eed563791932f22205f544d-193

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: A view of the Thirty-third Street relief sewer explosion that occurred on August 10, 1913 at McCreery & Company Furniture Warehouse.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Various Early 1900 Boxcars

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Various Early 1900 Boxcars

A 1906 photo:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.336.RR/viewer

Photo can be enlarged quite a bit but will require photo editing to enhance detail.

Description: View of Pennsylvania Union Line train carts, warehouse and bridge for Consolidated Lamp and Glass Company.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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