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Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
Gary,
The plastic model was/is the Athearn. It has some serious issues, especially with the vertical dimension of the body being grossly too big. There is a resin model of this car in HO scale from F&C. The PRR F34 was a GSC cast body that was sold to multiple railroads including C&NW. Regards, Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 7:59 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053 There was a plastic model of this car, maybe 40 years ago. It could have been AHM.
Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock
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Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
Paul Woods <paul@...>
I think the owner of the car would have some frank words to say about extra holes being cut in their property; it has been my experience that disaster follows close behind the guy who picks up a gas torch and starts hacking into structures, and cutting new holes would only be a last resort after every other possible method of securing the load had been tried. If holes for holding-down bolts are not included as part of the original design, then lugs welded to the steel deck are often used, though usually not without the o.k. of the owner's engineering staff first.
Paul W Whangarei, NZ
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Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
Tony Thompson
And before that there was essentially the same car as a kit from M. Dale Newton's Red Ball. Tony Thompson
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Re: B&O Wagontop Boxcar
C J Wyatt
Was a kit produced from your patterns? I believe Jim King at SMMW offered a M53/M53A in S scale. Jack Wyatt
On Sunday, July 21, 2019, 09:54:09 PM EDT, bigfourroad <vannessco@...> wrote:
Ed here are a series of photos that show patterns and arrangement that I made for an M 53 in S scale. I hope they will help to orient the parts for you. What is not featured here is a Royal (brake) slack adjuster that appears midway along the car. I have some photos of that from the car at the B&O museum if useful to you. Chris Rooney -- J Chris Rooney CFA Vanness Company Web: www.VannessCompany.com
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Re: B&O Wagontop Boxcar
Ed
Perfect. These photos show the positions exactly. Thanks for everyone's help. Ed Robinson
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Re: B&O Wagontop Boxcar
Ed here are a series of photos that show patterns and arrangement that I made for an M 53 in S scale. I hope they will help to orient the parts for you.
What is not featured here is a Royal (brake) slack adjuster that appears midway along the car. I have some photos of that from the car at the B&O museum if useful to you. Chris Rooney -- J Chris Rooney CFA Vanness Company Web: www.VannessCompany.com
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Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
Charlie Vlk
Both are correct. The car more recently in the Bachmann line was offeted by AHM. Tooling dates back to the Mantua carded blisterpack RTR copies of various Athearn cars. Charlie Vlk
On Jul 21, 2019 8:05 PM, "Drew M. via Groups.Io" <phillydrewcifer@...> wrote:
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Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
Drew M.
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On Jul 21, 2019, at 20:59, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote: There was a plastic model of this car, maybe 40 years ago. It could have been AHM.
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Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
gary laakso
There was a plastic model of this car, maybe 40 years ago. It could have been AHM.
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Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
On Jul 21, 2019, at 5:54 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
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Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
C J Wyatt
I am guessing that if the riggers did not find a hole near where they needed one, they just cut one themselves. Jack wyatt
On Sunday, July 21, 2019, 08:54:47 PM EDT, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Tim,
The steel floor of these cars likely had holes for rods used as tie downs. Some steel floored flat cars had holes that were essentially a larger diameter circle partially superimposed on a smaller circle. The rod with either a bent end or a bolt on the end, could be fitted through the large hole and then slid over into the smaller hole, resulting in the rod being retained by the deck.
Regards, Bruce Bruce Smith From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 6:12 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053 I don't really care what it is, but I'd like to know what those heavy steel rods are attached to on the deck of the flat car. Didn't those flats have heavy steel floors? Are the rods bored into the deck? On 7/21/2019 3:55 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:
-- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
Tim,
The steel floor of these cars likely had holes for rods used as tie downs. Some steel floored flat cars had holes that were essentially a larger diameter circle partially superimposed on a smaller circle. The rod with either a bent end or a bolt on the end, could be fitted through the large hole and then slid over into the smaller hole, resulting in the rod being retained by the deck.
Regards, Bruce Bruce Smith
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 6:12 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053 I don't really care what it is, but I'd like to know what those heavy steel rods are attached to on the deck of the flat car. Didn't those flats have heavy steel floors? Are the rods bored into the deck? On 7/21/2019 3:55 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:
-- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Photo: PRR Gondola 384661
The short flat car behind it is pretty cool too! The gondola is a class GRA. Regards, Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 2:56 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Gondola 384661 Photo: PRR Gondola 384661 A 1941 photo: https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.7300.RR/viewer Photo can be enlarged quite a bit. Description: View of 40-foot gondola car #384661, built circa 1912. This car originally belonged to the Western New York and Pennsylvania Railroad. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: 1937 AAR boxcar with wrong roof 😞😞😞
And then there is the question of the color of the door on this car! 😉 We've discussed this in the past, and I'm still voting for black.
Regards, Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of steve_wintner via Groups.Io <steve_wintner@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 1:39 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 1937 AAR boxcar with wrong roof 😞😞😞 Tim, Protocraft does have a buy war bonds set as well.
https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=417&Categoryid=20&This_Sub_Sub_Category=CEI
That's an interesting photo. I note Yarmouth's kit of the 1949 built ACF car has no lettering to the right of the door. But this photo also has none in 1957, although a 1953 photo on Protocraft does have it, as does the photo on Black Cats site. A guess: they received lettering to the right as a repaint, perhaps the doors turned red at that time too. Somehow, some never got that lettering, some got the war bonds slogan, and the war bonds slogan was removed too. Brian's point about stencils varying through the years, even for ostensibly the same scheme, is valid. The E, for example. Protocraft lists a different scheme as the 1961 scheme, for those modeling a later time.
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Brake Levers
Lester Breuer
I have added a new post on model brake levers on my blog that shows how I make my own brake levers from Evergreen strip styrene. In addition, it provides prototype information and information on the commercial brake levers I like to use when doing underbody work. If you are interested in viewing photos and writeup of various installed brake levers, you can on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company. If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:
http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/ Lester Breuer
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Re: B&O Wagontop Boxcar
Ed
Tim,
You are correct in that there is a lot of info about the M53 and Duryea underframes. Unfortunately, there is only 1 photo that seems to show the long braces and nothing that indicates how/where the short braces mount. Perhaps I just missed it but I was hopeful that someone on this list would be able to shed some light on the specifics regarding location of the braces. Ed Robinson
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Re: Photo: PRR Gondola 384661
sublettered for WNY&P but always painted PENNSYLVANIA I like that tiny P&LE flat car in the background! any better photos of those?
On 7/21/2019 3:56 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:
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Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
I don't really care what it is, but I'd like to know what those heavy steel rods are attached to on the deck of the flat car. Didn't those flats have heavy steel floors? Are the rods bored into the deck?
On 7/21/2019 3:55 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:
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Re: Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar ( freight car paint schemes)
Terry Link
I don't believe it's a browser/OS problem. For some reason - there is a
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'dot' missing in the links If you click on the link in the email: https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/UP-PLN-FRT/2010-UP-Freight-PLN-Clinic/ It is trying to take you to https://harley-trains.smugmugcom/UP-PLN-FRT/2010-UP-Freight-PLN-Clinic/ Note the missing '.' in front of com/UP-PLN-FRT/2010-UP-Freight-PLN-Clinic/ So in your browser - simply insert the '.' in front of the com/UP-PLN-FRT/2010-UP-Freight-PLN-Clinic/ and you should be able to view the page. Terry Link
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From: James SANDIFER I can???t make either of these links open. Any suggestions? J. Stephen Sandifer Dick Harley produced this presentation on Union Pacific painting and lettering schemes covering 1940 to 1975: https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/UP-PLN-FRT/2010-UP-Freight-PLN-Clinic/ The presentation is part of this UP Freight Car Painting & Lettering information: https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/UP-PLN-FRT Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: B&O Wagontop Boxcar
They are part of the Duryea underframe. The body of the
car and trucks can move along the center sill. The Duryea design
evolved over time and these pieces changed shape a bit. But the longer one
goes toward the center of the car and the shorter one towards the couple.
Here is a snip from a drawing in the 1940 CBC
And this snip is one of Duryea underframes (not for the
B&O wagon tops, but similar).
Hope this helps.
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ed Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 1:48 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] B&O Wagontop Boxcar I am building a F&C wagontop boxcar for the B&O and I cannot figure out how certain items on the underframe are arranged. Specifically, I am referring to the long and short triangular bolster braces. Where do these mount on the underframe and to what purpose do they serve? Ed Robinson
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Re: Funaro 1932 CP Boxcar ( freight car paint schemes)
Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
On 7/21/2019 2:33 PM, Tom Larsen
wrote:
It appears that your problem could be a personal setting in your browser or that you haven't updated your operating system and/or browser to a current version, thus creating some sort of conflict. Win10 with auto update. IE 11
ver 11.615.17763.0 (this is auto update I think. I can't
remember the wording but suspect it's a IE problem. -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User SPROG User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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