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Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
lol - maybe in New Zealand, but cutting and welding on gondolas and flat cars is
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not uncommon in the USA
On 7/22/2019 6:09 AM, Paul Woods wrote:
I think the owner of the car would have some frank words to say about extra holes being cut in their property; it has been my experience that disaster follows close behind the guy who picks up a gas torch and starts hacking into structures, and cutting new holes would only be a last resort after every other possible method of securing the load had been tried. If holes for holding-down bolts are not included as part of the original design, then lugs welded to the steel deck are often used, though usually not without the o.k. of the owner's engineering staff first. --
*Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts*
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Re: B&O Wagontop Boxcar
C J Wyatt
Thanks Chris, I appreciate that information. Have you done pattern making on anything else in S scale? Jack Wyatt
On Monday, July 22, 2019, 10:02:44 AM EDT, bigfourroad <vannessco@...> wrote:
No the car was not produced because Jim King's one piece body casting was far superior to ours. It is very difficult to get the ribs and the roof-sides to mate perfectly and retain their shape uniformly unless printed from CAD. However, possibly the SMMW underframe is a little harder to get together than this one would have been. Chris -- J Chris Rooney CFA Vanness Company Web: www.VannessCompany.com
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Re: B&O Wagontop Boxcar
No the car was not produced because Jim King's one piece body casting was far superior to ours. It is very difficult to get the ribs and the roof-sides to mate perfectly and retain their shape uniformly unless printed from CAD.
However, possibly the SMMW underframe is a little harder to get together than this one would have been. Chris -- J Chris Rooney CFA Vanness Company Web: www.VannessCompany.com
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Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
Another plastic Athearn “200-ton” flatcar clone was one from “Crown” … a whole line of Athearn rip-offs, obviously copies, but with cruder molding and the bodies were often warped.
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In addition, somebody (Bachmann?) marketed a modified version of this car … same body but with a single 6-wheel truck under each end instead of the span-bolstered 4-wheel trucks. Dan Mitchell ==========
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Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
Either running through holes cut in the deck, or welded to the deck. Most likely pass through the deck into some reinforcement (plate or bracket) welded to the underside of the deck, probably fastened to some under-deck frame member. The decks on such cars were somewhat “sacrificial”. They’d cut holes in them, or bolt or weld brackets, flanges, etc. to the top side as needed.
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Once the car was empty this ‘junk” was sometimes just left in place. The next user of the car would then need to cut it off and install their own hardware. Even if the left-overs were removed, the deck would often show scarring from all the welds and cut-offs. Steel floors in gondolas also suffered such indignities. Photos of “empty” cars often show such remains. Dan Mitchell ==========
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Re: B&O Wagontop Boxcar
jc2fl
Here is a link to photos I took at the Florida Railroad Museum at Parrish FL.
Included are side, detail, and underframe photos of M-53 381538, M-15NA 374834, and M-15PD 376330 http://www.flickr.com/photos/b_and_o_boxcars John Cantlay Clearwater FL
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ARA 1932 Matches for Atlas Body Styles
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Friends, I did some work matching between Ed Hawkins'
list from the old Steam-Era Freight Car pages (
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/1932aramain.html
) and the Atlas body list Don Burn provided. Below are the roads
which more-or-less match the Atlas offerings. A number of odd
combinations are missing here, including BAR, CG, NdeM, etc. which
don't match any of the body styles. Also missing are some "short
tab" (the tabs below the doors) cars with the 4/4 ends which would
be an easy conversion, including the 5 ARA demos, three of which
went to the C&O and one each to NYC and PRR. Need Duryea
underframes? You're on your own.
Style #1 Long Tab Body, Murphy Panel Roof,
4/4 Dreadnaught Ends: CG, CRR, D&H, I-GN, MEC, MVCMCX/1, MP,
M-I, NOT&M, UP/1, WM Style #2 Long Tab Body, 11-Panel Flat
Riveted Roof, Riveted Ends" L&A, NC&STL, SAL, WRT Style #3 Short Tab Body, Hutchins Radial
Roof, 4/4 Dreadnaught End: C&O, NKP Style #4 Short Tab Body, Viking Corrugated
Roof, Buckeye ends ERIE Style #5 Long Tab Body, 11-Panel Flat Rivet
Roof, 4/4 Dreadnaught Ends SOO Style #6 Long Tab Body, Viking Corrugated
Roof, 4/4 Dreadnaught Ends NS I'm sure I missed something and I will hear about it shortly. Yours Aye, Garth Groff
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Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
Gary,
The plastic model was/is the Athearn. It has some serious issues, especially with the vertical dimension of the body being grossly too big. There is a resin model of this car in HO scale from F&C. The PRR F34 was a GSC cast body that was sold to multiple railroads including C&NW. Regards, Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 7:59 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053 There was a plastic model of this car, maybe 40 years ago. It could have been AHM.
Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock
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Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
Paul Woods <paul@...>
I think the owner of the car would have some frank words to say about extra holes being cut in their property; it has been my experience that disaster follows close behind the guy who picks up a gas torch and starts hacking into structures, and cutting new holes would only be a last resort after every other possible method of securing the load had been tried. If holes for holding-down bolts are not included as part of the original design, then lugs welded to the steel deck are often used, though usually not without the o.k. of the owner's engineering staff first.
Paul W Whangarei, NZ
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Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
Tony Thompson
And before that there was essentially the same car as a kit from M. Dale Newton's Red Ball. Tony Thompson
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Re: B&O Wagontop Boxcar
C J Wyatt
Was a kit produced from your patterns? I believe Jim King at SMMW offered a M53/M53A in S scale. Jack Wyatt
On Sunday, July 21, 2019, 09:54:09 PM EDT, bigfourroad <vannessco@...> wrote:
Ed here are a series of photos that show patterns and arrangement that I made for an M 53 in S scale. I hope they will help to orient the parts for you. What is not featured here is a Royal (brake) slack adjuster that appears midway along the car. I have some photos of that from the car at the B&O museum if useful to you. Chris Rooney -- J Chris Rooney CFA Vanness Company Web: www.VannessCompany.com
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Re: B&O Wagontop Boxcar
Ed
Perfect. These photos show the positions exactly. Thanks for everyone's help. Ed Robinson
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Re: B&O Wagontop Boxcar
Ed here are a series of photos that show patterns and arrangement that I made for an M 53 in S scale. I hope they will help to orient the parts for you.
What is not featured here is a Royal (brake) slack adjuster that appears midway along the car. I have some photos of that from the car at the B&O museum if useful to you. Chris Rooney -- J Chris Rooney CFA Vanness Company Web: www.VannessCompany.com
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Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
Charlie Vlk
Both are correct. The car more recently in the Bachmann line was offeted by AHM. Tooling dates back to the Mantua carded blisterpack RTR copies of various Athearn cars. Charlie Vlk
On Jul 21, 2019 8:05 PM, "Drew M. via Groups.Io" <phillydrewcifer@...> wrote:
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Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
Drew M.
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On Jul 21, 2019, at 20:59, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote: There was a plastic model of this car, maybe 40 years ago. It could have been AHM.
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Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
gary laakso
There was a plastic model of this car, maybe 40 years ago. It could have been AHM.
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Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
On Jul 21, 2019, at 5:54 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
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Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
C J Wyatt
I am guessing that if the riggers did not find a hole near where they needed one, they just cut one themselves. Jack wyatt
On Sunday, July 21, 2019, 08:54:47 PM EDT, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Tim,
The steel floor of these cars likely had holes for rods used as tie downs. Some steel floored flat cars had holes that were essentially a larger diameter circle partially superimposed on a smaller circle. The rod with either a bent end or a bolt on the end, could be fitted through the large hole and then slid over into the smaller hole, resulting in the rod being retained by the deck.
Regards, Bruce Bruce Smith From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 6:12 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053 I don't really care what it is, but I'd like to know what those heavy steel rods are attached to on the deck of the flat car. Didn't those flats have heavy steel floors? Are the rods bored into the deck? On 7/21/2019 3:55 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:
-- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053
Tim,
The steel floor of these cars likely had holes for rods used as tie downs. Some steel floored flat cars had holes that were essentially a larger diameter circle partially superimposed on a smaller circle. The rod with either a bent end or a bolt on the end, could be fitted through the large hole and then slid over into the smaller hole, resulting in the rod being retained by the deck.
Regards, Bruce Bruce Smith
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 6:12 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053 I don't really care what it is, but I'd like to know what those heavy steel rods are attached to on the deck of the flat car. Didn't those flats have heavy steel floors? Are the rods bored into the deck? On 7/21/2019 3:55 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:
-- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Photo: PRR Gondola 384661
The short flat car behind it is pretty cool too! The gondola is a class GRA. Regards, Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 2:56 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Gondola 384661 Photo: PRR Gondola 384661 A 1941 photo: https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.7300.RR/viewer Photo can be enlarged quite a bit. Description: View of 40-foot gondola car #384661, built circa 1912. This car originally belonged to the Western New York and Pennsylvania Railroad. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: 1937 AAR boxcar with wrong roof 😞😞😞
And then there is the question of the color of the door on this car! 😉 We've discussed this in the past, and I'm still voting for black.
Regards, Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of steve_wintner via Groups.Io <steve_wintner@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 1:39 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 1937 AAR boxcar with wrong roof 😞😞😞 Tim, Protocraft does have a buy war bonds set as well.
https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=417&Categoryid=20&This_Sub_Sub_Category=CEI
That's an interesting photo. I note Yarmouth's kit of the 1949 built ACF car has no lettering to the right of the door. But this photo also has none in 1957, although a 1953 photo on Protocraft does have it, as does the photo on Black Cats site. A guess: they received lettering to the right as a repaint, perhaps the doors turned red at that time too. Somehow, some never got that lettering, some got the war bonds slogan, and the war bonds slogan was removed too. Brian's point about stencils varying through the years, even for ostensibly the same scheme, is valid. The E, for example. Protocraft lists a different scheme as the 1961 scheme, for those modeling a later time.
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