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Re: does anyone collect unbuilt WestRail kits (or maybe even still builds them)?

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony, here is my list of Westrail kits (Athearn kitbash kits) -

R-1301   NP reefer
R-1201   ART reefer prewar 62000-62499 etc
R-120    ART reefer 229790-24999 (?? that's what it says)
R-1220   ART reefer 26000-28899
R-1010   PFE R-40-10
R-1022   PFE R-40-14
R-1023   PFE R-40-20
R-1030   PFE R-40-23
B-202    ATSF Bx-34 Scout
B-3953   CN NSC 9-rib "1945"
B-3954   CN NSC 9-rib "1954"

Tim

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On 7/20/2019 10:24 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:


They were one of the few prototype model kits for a time, and probably more than a
few people have unbuilt kits. I still have 15 kits, with just a couple of duplicates.


     I'd be interested to see a list of what you have. Greg Martin and I have made a start
     on a production list, but neither of us has too much info. The kit directions are sometimes
     prototype-specific, sometimes not.   Tony


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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Re: F&C PRR F34 heavy duty flatcar

Chuck Cover
 

RE:  . I am considering Walthers ore car trucks.

 

Andy and Elden,

 

I also used those Walthers ore car trucks on my kitbashed F34.  They look good and equally important to me is that they operate extremely well on my Shamokin Branch layout.  That F34 has been running around the layout for over 18 months without a derailment which is pretty good considering the truck arrangement.

 

When we model we are always making compromises.  I try to get as much prototype fidelity as I can while still building a model that operates well and will hold up to some handling. 

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] F&C PRR F34 heavy duty flatcar

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bill;

They are 2F-F3 trucks that are pretty unique on the PRR. I am not sure of the manufacturer, since I don't have a decent close up, but it's that short 5'0" wheelbase that stymied me. After I painted mine, I switched them out for a Walthers truck that looks close.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 6:06 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] F&C PRR F34 heavy duty flatcar

In the CNW photo the trucks appear to be Two-Level Dalmans. The resin trucks with the F&C kit appear to be Two-Level Dalmans. If I am correct what not use Tahoe's Two-Level Dalmans?

Bill Welch

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] F&C PRR F34 heavy duty flatcar

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

Those were the closest I could find, too.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andy Cich
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 8:08 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] F&C PRR F34 heavy duty flatcar

Bill,

The F34 needs 5' wheelbase trucks. I am considering Walthers ore car trucks. They do have 4 visible springs, but lack the two- level appearance.

Blockedhttps://www.walthers.com/rigid-trucks-w-33-quot-metal-wheels-axles-5-wheelbase-for-ore-cars-1-pair

Andy Cich

Re: ARA 1932 Matches for Atlas Body Styles

mopacfirst
 

Garth:

MP 31400-31499 also had Duryea underframe, as noted on Ed's list.  I buy your logic in not covering these, since Atlas didn't attempt to model them.

I've picked up a few of these on eBay, and I'd use this list to pick up a few more but most of my rolling stock is packed and I don't have records of what I own.

Side note -- I built several of the Sunshine MP cars, and still have one or two unbuilt ones from other railroads.  But I've picked up at least one each F&C and Yankee Clipper MP cars, so if I build those I'll have models of 1932 cars from four different builders/

Ron Merrick

Redux: ARA 1932 Matches for Atlas Body Styles

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

Here's the Atlas list again, with car block numbers. The D&H cars were all welded, so they have been removed. Note that only one of the three WM blocks matches Style 1 (and the tabs over the truck bolsters are actually much smaller than the Atlas model, but that's an easy fix; not so easy to do the Duryea underframe). The five ARA demonstrators used the Style 1 body, except with "short tabs" under the doors, another easy fix; three went to the C&O, and one each to the PRR and NYC. For space reasons I have consolidated blocks of identical design with consecutive numbers for SAL and MP.


Style #1 Long Tab Body,  Murphy Panel Roof, 4/4 Dreadnaught Ends:   CofG 4000-4499; CRR 5000-5249; I-GN 17001-17300; MEC 4248-4999; MVCMCX 9000 (1 Car), MP 30000-32499; M-I 4000-4249; NOT&M 17301-17500; UP 182500 (1 car); WM 27001-27500.

Style #2 Long Tab Body,  11-Panel Flat Riveted Roof, Riveted Ends:  L&A 15001-15150; NC&STL 18000-18499; SAL 17000-18999; WRT 900-919

Style #3 Short Tab Body, Hutchins Radial Roof, 4/4 Dreadnaught Ends:  C&O 7000-7649; NKP 13000-13499

Style #4 Short Tab Body, Viking Corrugated Roof, Buckeye ends:  ERIE 76500-76999

Style #5 Long Tab Body,  11-Panel Flat Rivet Roof, 4/4 Dreadnaught Ends:  SOO 41800-42798, 135800-135998 (even numbers only; both blocks 9' 2" IW)

Style #6 Long Tab Body,  Viking Corrugated Roof, 4/4 Dreadnaught Ends:  NS 25000-25499

Style #7 Long Tab Body,  Murphy Panel Roof, Flat Riveted Ends:  NONE THAT I CAN FIND

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

Re: Ghost White Toner Again

Paul Woods <paul@...>
 

Eric, thank you for posting this info; I have recently bought the same printer and have been trying to learn everything I can before committing toner to film, so your post couldn't have come at a better time!

Regards
Paul Woods

Whangarei, NZ


---- On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:01:00 +1200 Eric Bergh <ericbergh2@...> wrote ----

Garth,
I am using the Ghost cartridge on my HP Color LaserJet MFPM477fdw and like it. I did have to increase the density settings to get a better image. I use Tango Papa clear decal paper and set the printer for "Transparency".
FWIW, to change the density, below is the info I got from the folks at Ghost.
-Eric Bergh



Re: ARA 1932 Matches for Atlas Body Styles

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Don,

Indeed, according to Ed Hawkins' and Ted Culotta's list all four blocks of the D&H cars had welded sides. These were built by the D&H itself, the first block at Oneonta and the remainder at Green Island. They all had 4-5 Dreadnaught ends, which Atlas never tooled. They didn't belong on the list I submitted, and this will be been corrected shortly.

Atlas body style 2 is more or less correct for Seaboard, and this was the car used by John Golden and Justin May in their March 2009 SEABOARD COAST LINE MODELER article. They note that the roof has flat panels with rivet detail, but lacks the lap seams. I don't know what lettering did on production runs of this car. Are you saying they offered Seaboard lettering on the Style 1 body?

The only Atlas models I every bought were WM (lacking a Duryea underframe) and I-GN, both Style 1 bodies. My hobby dealer retired and went out of business about the time the decorated Style 2 was produced, and I never saw any Seaboard cars.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 7/22/19 10:06 PM, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi Garth,

     While the seams in some made them look riveted I thoughr all the D&H cars had welded sides.
Is this not the case? These D&H cars all developed the same pattern of sinks and high spots on their
sides that gavce then a swallow waffle effect.What I don't understand is why Atlas didn't use the flat
panel roof on their Seaboard cars since they offered it on others.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Ghost White Toner Again

Dave Parker
 

Again, the question of Ghost cartridges for black-only laser printers has been addressed previously, and I believe that someone contacted Ghost (in Germany) and was told nein, it's not in the works.

Personally, I like having a color laser for decal work.  I don't need color often, but it has really helped with a couple of projects (like MDT reefer stripes).

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA

Re: ARA 1932 Matches for Atlas Body Styles

Bruce Smith
 

Don,


All of the D&H cars had welded side sheets, but some had varying degrees of riveting for other parts.


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL




From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...>
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 9:06 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ARA 1932 Matches for Atlas Body Styles
 
Hi Garth,

     While the seams in some made them look riveted I thoughr all the D&H cars had welded sides.
Is this not the case? These D&H cars all developed the same pattern of sinks and high spots on their
sides that gavce then a swallow waffle effect.What I don't understand is why Atlas didn't use the flat
panel roof on their Seaboard cars since they offered it on others.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: GM&O 40 ft Automobile Car

Schuyler Larrabee
 

George, having built up an underframe as you have, I am very impressed with the quality of your work, particularly photos -39 and -42,  You did all the rivets, decaled, I presume, which I kind of punted on when I did the ERIE Shake’n’Take.  Excellent work!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gtws00 via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 8:24 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] GM&O 40 ft Automobile CAr

 

A newer project in the works is a GM&O 40 ft Automobile car from the 35200-35249 series. The base kit for this build started with a Speedwitch kit consisting of a Branchline 7 ft door body and new resin parts and decals.
After obtaining a General Arrangement and Brake diagram from the St Louis National Museum of Transportation, I decided to scratch build a new floor matching the drawings. I also bent some new lower boor tracks from .005 brass. Attached are a couple photos of it progress. Long way to go yet on this project. Prototype photo credits go to Ed Hawkins
George Toman

Re: Ghost White Toner Again

A&Y Dave in MD
 

I believe that is the printer i own. What do you want to know?

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

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____________________________
David Bott, modeling the A&Y in '34

Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053

Jeff Eggert
 

If you are modeling this car 1954 and later it was rebuilt with some extra frame stiffening approximately between the pairs of trucks.  In 1953 it suffered a frame failure.  Photos are found in the North Western Lines magazine, issue 2006:2.

This car lasted as 48053 till 1977 and lived on as X 261399.

Jeff Eggert

Re: ARA 1932 Matches for Atlas Body Styles

Donald B. Valentine
 

Hi Garth,

     While the seams in some made them look riveted I thoughr all the D&H cars had welded sides.
Is this not the case? These D&H cars all developed the same pattern of sinks and high spots on their
sides that gavce then a swallow waffle effect.What I don't understand is why Atlas didn't use the flat
panel roof on their Seaboard cars since they offered it on others.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: F&C PRR F34 heavy duty flatcar

Andy Cich
 

Bill,

The F34 needs 5' wheelbase trucks. I am considering Walthers ore car trucks. They do have 4 visible springs, but lack the two- level appearance.

https://www.walthers.com/rigid-trucks-w-33-quot-metal-wheels-axles-5-wheelbase-for-ore-cars-1-pair

Andy Cich

Re: Ghost White Toner Again

lrkdbn
 

What I wonder is if you could use this toner with just a B&W printer dedicated for the purpose. Has anyone talked to Ghost about making cartridges for B&W printers?
I bet they'd sell quite a few to modelers in many disciplines, not just railroads.
LR King

Re: Ghost White Toner Again

Eric Bergh
 

Garth,
I am using the Ghost cartridge on my HP Color LaserJet MFPM477fdw and like it. I did have to increase the density settings to get a better image. I use Tango Papa clear decal paper and set the printer for "Transparency".
FWIW, to change the density, below is the info I got from the folks at Ghost.
-Eric Bergh

"to set the density for each toner channel please set up the printer as a network printer.

Therefore you have to connect via Network. Once the printer has been connected via network it has a IP Address. This will be shown in the printerdisplay or on the network status page. This page can be printed from the reports menu of the printer.

 

1.       Enter the printer IP Address into a webbrowser (ie Chrome)

2.       Go to system

3.       Go to density

4.       Choose +5 for all channels to get the best transfer result. (Standart is 0)

5.       Once the settings are saved the printer will also use these settings for USB printing.

 

I hope this helps!

 Cheers,

 

David

 David M. Kandelhardt

CEO – Founder"

Re: ARA 1932 Matches for Atlas Body Styles

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Curt,

Yes, WM did have Duryea underframes. I ignored this on purpose, since were were only talking about body styles.

CP was not on the list because their cars had a radial Murphy roof, something Atlas did not tool.

I should have left out the D&H cars because they had 4/5 ends, which Atlas did not tool. All had welded underframes (as did the UP's single car), and one group had welded bodies as well. I was aware of the short left side ladders, but this is a minor detail.

I will repost the list shortly, but will wait until tomorrow in case more corrections come in.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 7/22/19 4:53 PM, Curt Fortenberry wrote:

In my notes I have from all the threads when Atlas first released, I have the following.  Correct if it's wrong.

Style 1:  WM had Duryea underframes.

Style 3:  I have CP listed as well????

Curt Fortenberry

Re: F&C PRR F34 heavy duty flatcar

Bill Welch
 

In the CNW photo  the trucks appear to be Two-Level Dalmans. The resin trucks with the F&C kit appear to be Two-Level Dalmans. If I am correct what not use Tahoe's Two-Level Dalmans?

Bill Welch

Re: Photo: Cyclotron Load On C&NW Heavy Duty Flat Car 48053

Jon Miller
 

    Redball span boosters may still be available, see;

https://www.labellemodels.com/span-bolsters-p-1381.html?osCsid=nmltjfv0kub9st044knbv971j5

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