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Re: Photo: Heavy Duty Milwaukee Road Flat Car 601051

Doug Polinder
 

Tom, I think the line from North Van to Squamish along Howe Sound was completed in 1955.  A 1970s article in a Carstens pub (Railfan & Railroad, most likely) also described the furor when PGE started bulldozing gardens and filling in swimming pools.

Doug Polinder
Poquoson VA


Re: Another HD flat

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Sorry!  It’s probably true that many of the USERS of such large machines were also in the industrial east, but not ALL. Some HAD to go “out in interchange” … or be transferred from one car to another (unlikely). There were only a few places in the country where such things could be made, and they had to be shipped to wherever they were needed.

The huge items needed for the Manhattan Project (“Jumbo"), and the Palomar 200” telescope mirror being good examples of huge items being moved most of the way across the country. Not to mention the big battleship guns … these things moved back and forth across the country before, and during WWII; and for some time after. These things had short service lives and had to be relined. Most all the big 16”-gunned battleships were in the Pacific, and the only yard that could reline their guns was on the east coast. Such movements from Washington State and California to the east and back were common.

Dan Mitchell
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On Aug 2, 2019, at 12:43 PM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

I have seen others like this, that were for creating things like large mill rolls, flywheels, and such.  They didn't use regular molds for these ingots, but made up special breakable molds, once poured a cooled, were broken to release the ingot.

These did not go out in interchange; I never saw one on somebody else's rails.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Soderblom
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 12:21 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Another HD flat

It says it’s an ingot, but it looks rough, like concrete.  And why the asymmetric shape?




David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA
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Re: Gondolas converted into TOFC cars

dale florence <dwwesley@...>
 

Tim, 

I have one question, do you know the date these cars built, or rebuilt?

Dale Florence








On Friday, August 2, 2019, 10:21:11 AM EDT, dale florence via Groups.Io <dwwesley@...> wrote:


Tim,

Thank you for the R. I. Gondola TOFC Cars.  I am guessing that the car you built was from a Tichey  war emergency car. Looks very good.

Thanks for the pictures
Dale Florence






On Friday, August 2, 2019, 10:15:59 AM EDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


On 8/1/2019 10:35 PM, dale florence via Groups.Io wrote:
Does anyone have information on Gondolas that were converted  into TOFC cars, or pictures, from the early 1950's.. I want to build some, but cannot find information, or pictures.

Dale Florence 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


RPM Chicagoland 2019

Jeremy Dummler
 

The 26th annual RPM Chicagoland event will be held October 24-26th at the Sheraton hotel in Lisle, IL.  The event will once again feature three days of clinics on a variety of model railroad topics, a display room for your models, vendors, and friends.  These events are always a chance to learn new things and share the hobby.

Registration is now open at rpmconference.com.  Hotel reservations for the RPM Chicagoland room block can also be accessed through the website as well.

Jeremy Dummler
RPM Chicagoland Team
Wauconda, IL


Re: Photo: Heavy Duty Milwaukee Road Flat Car 601051

Tom Madden
 

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 11:20 AM, Doug Polinder wrote:
There are lots of pulp mills in Prince George, so a good possibility this was going via PGE through North Vancouver.
The OP said it's a 1956 photo. When did PGE complete the line to North Vancouver? I remember a TRAINS article from the late '50s - early '60s regarding the hullabaloo that ensued when PGE decided to complete the line to N.V., disturbing a number of adjacent residents whose construction had encroached on what they assumed was an abandoned ROW.

Tom Madden


Re: Gondolas converted into TOFC cars

 

My all-time favorite. A Jack Beal photo.

 

 

Thanks!
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Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Friday, August 2, 2019 at 9:15 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Gondolas converted into TOFC cars

 

On 8/1/2019 10:35 PM, dale florence via Groups.Io wrote:

Does anyone have information on Gondolas that were converted  into TOFC cars, or pictures, from the early 1950's.. I want to build some, but cannot find information, or pictures.

 

Dale Florence 

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Photo: Heavy Duty Milwaukee Road Flat Car 601051

Doug Polinder
 

Tony, couple of possibilities.  The yard in Vancouver is not identified.  Walter Frost took pictures in various yards belonging to CN, CP, and GN.  If this is a CP yard, the load could have traveled via Milwaukee to Seattle and then via their own rail-barge to Bellingham, thence to Sumas WA/Huntingdon BC for interchange with the CP.  Or it could have traveled to Seattle and been barged directly to Vancouver for interchange with CP, CN, or PGE.  If a GN yard, then GN may have picked it up in St. Paul and taken it all the way to Vancouver on GN rails (the Hill Lines generally forced the Milwaukee to interchange in St. Paul).

There are lots of pulp mills in Prince George, so a good possibility this was going via PGE through North Vancouver.

Doug Polinder
Poquoson VA


Mark Vaughan decal listing

Clark Propst
 

I now have a complete listing of the Mark Vaughan decals we now own. We’re not a business. We just want to share decals that were off the market. Below is the final listing with 1990s pricing. Happy to answer questions  ; )

Because I'm writing this from the group website the spread sheet did not transfer correctly. Hope you can figure it out?
 
Please make ordering inquiries OFF LIST to: cepropst@q.com




Minneapolis & St Louis RY - Mark Vaughan
NUMBER DESCRIPTION RETAIL
124 LATE PS 2 C HOPPERS $3
141 FLAT CAR DOES 3 DIFFERENT CARS $4
147 USRA GONDOLA $3
BB-1 AAR 37 BOX CAR WHITE LETTERING $3
BB-2 AAR 42 BOX CAR YELLOW LETTERING $3
EE-1 PRE 56 CABOOSE $3
EE-2 POST 56 CABOOSE $3
GG AIR SLIDE HOPPER GACX $3
HH RS1 RED/WHITE LETTERING $3
T-1 RED/WHITE BOX CAR 2 OF 4 DIFFERENT CARS $4
U-1 3 BAY HOPPER POST 56 2 CARS $4
V-1 EARLY C HOPPER PS 2 BLACK LETTERING 2 CARS $4
V-2 C HOPPER 1958 CUFT WHITE LETTERING 2 CARS $3
V-3 C HOPPER 1958 CUFT POST 56 BLACK LETTERING $3
Z SERVING THE GRAIN INDUSTRY -FOR SET 124 $1
Milwaukee Road decals - Mark Vaughan
NUMBER DESCRIPTION RETAIL
QQ Does 2 cars - 'Miller' box car/CTSE 4 bay hopper $4
FF -1  3 bay C hopper - no herald $2


Re: Another HD flat CB&Q

Jerome (Jerry) Albin
 

The load looks to be 1/2 half of a hot or cold steel rolling mill stand. Two castings are shown making one stand of a steel rolling mill. The screw down machinery on top of the stand is added later. Regards..Jerry Albin
 Related image


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Another HD flat CB&Q

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

VERY cool!

Growing up in Pittsburgh, you were besieged by the cacophony of noise, air pollutants, and smells you would never get away with now.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Daniel A. Mitchell
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 12:04 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Another HD flat CB&Q

Just a guess, but I’m slightly familiar with these machines … my dad worked for Ring Screw Works in Detroit. He took me there a few times to see where he worked. They had a bunch of cold-headers, including several very large machines. These beasts were buried in pits in the floor, and each time they’d strike they'd shake the whole neighborhood. Literally!

Dan Mitchell
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On Aug 2, 2019, at 11:09 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> wrote:

Dan;

Good guess! That could be it.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Daniel A. Mitchell
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 10:44 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Another HD flat CB&Q

Could be frames for cold-heading (forging) machines.

Dan MItchell
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On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:06 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> wrote:

Found another photo of a GSC HD flat car, with an outbound load at Mesta Machine 1959:

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Any idea who the load was for? They look like bodies for HD shears.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood









Re: Another HD flat

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

I have seen others like this, that were for creating things like large mill rolls, flywheels, and such. They didn't use regular molds for these ingots, but made up special breakable molds, once poured a cooled, were broken to release the ingot.

These did not go out in interchange; I never saw one on somebody else's rails.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Soderblom
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 12:21 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Another HD flat

It says it’s an ingot, but it looks rough, like concrete. And why the asymmetric shape?




David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA
drs@stsci.edu


Re: Another HD flat

David Soderblom
 

It says it’s an ingot, but it looks rough, like concrete. And why the asymmetric shape?




David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA
drs@stsci.edu


Re: Photo: Heavy Duty Milwaukee Road Flat Car 601051

David Soderblom
 

Would a large load like this have been included in a regular train, or would it have required it’s own engine and caboose?



David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA
drs@stsci.edu


Re: Another HD flat CB&Q

David Soderblom
 

Their symmetry also suggests something to do with a very large magnet.



David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA
drs@stsci.edu


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Another HD flat CB&Q

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Just a guess, but I’m slightly familiar with these machines … my dad worked for Ring Screw Works in Detroit. He took me there a few times to see where he worked. They had a bunch of cold-headers, including several very large machines. These beasts were buried in pits in the floor, and each time they’d strike they'd shake the whole neighborhood. Literally!

Dan Mitchell
==========

On Aug 2, 2019, at 11:09 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> wrote:

Dan;

Good guess! That could be it.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Daniel A. Mitchell
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 10:44 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Another HD flat CB&Q

Could be frames for cold-heading (forging) machines.

Dan MItchell
==========

On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:06 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> wrote:

Found another photo of a GSC HD flat car, with an outbound load at Mesta Machine 1959:

Blockedhttps://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.6270.RR/from_search/073e3079268f9048485fa504df4f84f5-1650

Blockedhttps://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.6270.RR/viewer

Any idea who the load was for? They look like bodies for HD shears.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood









Re: Gondolas converted into TOFC cars

Richard Townsend
 

The CB&Q converted some composite 40’ gons to TOFC service and they were quite unsuccessful. The Burlington Route Historical Society has a “data sheet” (#12) that has a photo.


On Aug 2, 2019, at 8:21 AM, dale florence via Groups.Io <dwwesley@...> wrote:

Tim,

Thank you for the R. I. Gondola TOFC Cars.  I am guessing that the car you built was from a Tichey  war emergency car. Looks very good.

Thanks for the pictures
Dale Florence






On Friday, August 2, 2019, 10:15:59 AM EDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


On 8/1/2019 10:35 PM, dale florence via Groups.Io wrote:
Does anyone have information on Gondolas that were converted  into TOFC cars, or pictures, from the early 1950's.. I want to build some, but cannot find information, or pictures.

Dale Florence 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Another HD flat CB&Q

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Dan;

Good guess! That could be it.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Daniel A. Mitchell
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 10:44 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Another HD flat CB&Q

Could be frames for cold-heading (forging) machines.

Dan MItchell
==========

On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:06 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> wrote:

Found another photo of a GSC HD flat car, with an outbound load at Mesta Machine 1959:

Blockedhttps://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.6270.RR/from_search/073e3079268f9048485fa504df4f84f5-1650

Blockedhttps://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.6270.RR/viewer

Any idea who the load was for? They look like bodies for HD shears.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood



Re: Another HD flat CB&Q

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Could be frames for cold-heading (forging) machines.

Dan MItchell
==========

On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:06 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> wrote:

Found another photo of a GSC HD flat car, with an outbound load at Mesta Machine 1959:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.6270.RR/from_search/073e3079268f9048485fa504df4f84f5-1650

https://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A8223.6270.RR/viewer

Any idea who the load was for? They look like bodies for HD shears.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood



Re: Gondolas converted into TOFC cars

dale florence <dwwesley@...>
 

Tim,

Thank you for the R. I. Gondola TOFC Cars.  I am guessing that the car you built was from a Tichey  war emergency car. Looks very good.

Thanks for the pictures
Dale Florence






On Friday, August 2, 2019, 10:15:59 AM EDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


On 8/1/2019 10:35 PM, dale florence via Groups.Io wrote:
Does anyone have information on Gondolas that were converted  into TOFC cars, or pictures, from the early 1950's.. I want to build some, but cannot find information, or pictures.

Dale Florence 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Gondolas converted into TOFC cars

Tim O'Connor
 

On 8/1/2019 10:35 PM, dale florence via Groups.Io wrote:
Does anyone have information on Gondolas that were converted  into TOFC cars, or pictures, from the early 1950's.. I want to build some, but cannot find information, or pictures.

Dale Florence 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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