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Re: Stalking PFE Reefers

anthony wagner
 

Its my understanding that reefers moved on mileage rates, not per diem, so when they were empty there was no rush to get them back to where they had come from. That is probably over simplified but I also know that empty reefer were often used for moving printed material such as magazines and catalogs to warehouses near where the cars had originated on reduced rates that allowed the carrier to pay the mileage charge but recoup that by charging for moving the printed material. When I worked for C&NW in Chicago W.F.Hall printing used to ship Playboy magazines and Sears, Montgomery Ward, and Spiegel cataloge in empty PFE cars moving to the west coast. Perhaps someone with a better understanding of this will respond. Tony Wagner

On Sunday, August 4, 2019, 1:57:04 PM CDT, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Stalking PFE Reefers

The comment below was in response to a discussion about per diem rates on the CB&Q Group. I believe Tony Thompson has mentioned PFE's need to gather their reefers, also.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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Thank you for the discussion of per diem rates and whether they were too low or too high.  I wonder what the home railroad was for refrigerator cars when the refrigerator car company was owned by more than one railroad, such as the PFE.  My dad was a traveling agent for PFE (out of Chicago) form 1945 to 1960 or so.  It seemed to me his main job was not checking on icings but rather visiting yard offices (making a circuit in an area over the ear) to find the PFE cars that were being held.  It did not seem a priority of the railroads anywhere, so far as I could tell, to return the cars.

Doug Hosler


Re: Book FS: "The Postwar Freight Car Fleet"

Scott H. Haycock
 

This book has been sold.


Scott Haycock

On August 4, 2019 at 10:52 AM "Scott H. Haycock " <shhaycock@...> wrote:

I have a copy of this book for sale. It is in excellent condition.

It was written by Larry Kline and Ted Culotta, and Published by the A.C. Kalmbach Memorial Library.

I'm asking $50.00 which includes shipping via Media Mail to the lower 48 states.

Contact me off list.

Scott Haycock   


Re: Metal Wheels

Mark Stamm
 

My go to has always been Reboxx but I have had trouble getting them. Are they still in business?

Mark P Stamm
Mark at Euphoriatt dot Com

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Stalking PFE Reefers

Bob Chaparro
 

Stalking PFE Reefers

The comment below was in response to a discussion about per diem rates on the CB&Q Group. I believe Tony Thompson has mentioned PFE's need to gather their reefers, also.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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Thank you for the discussion of per diem rates and whether they were too low or too high.  I wonder what the home railroad was for refrigerator cars when the refrigerator car company was owned by more than one railroad, such as the PFE.  My dad was a traveling agent for PFE (out of Chicago) form 1945 to 1960 or so.  It seemed to me his main job was not checking on icings but rather visiting yard offices (making a circuit in an area over the ear) to find the PFE cars that were being held.  It did not seem a priority of the railroads anywhere, so far as I could tell, to return the cars.

Doug Hosler


Re: Drawing Help

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Kevin,

I have good photocopies of Extra 2200 South Issues 51 and 52, and can scan the pages with the plans for whatever phases you need. I cannot guarantee they will be in perfect scale, but you should be able to tweak them based on known dimensions. Please tell me exactly which plans or pages you need and I will try to get them done tomorrow.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 8/2/19 6:35 PM, csxt5555 via Groups.Io wrote:
Thanks Nelson.  Yup I will.  I’m doing these as a 1.6 scale kit so I’m researching and picking the most popular phase to do first.  I really need a copy of the 2200 extra south that has all the phases.

Kevin 

Kevin


On Aug 2, 2019, at 6:21 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

Be sure to check the phase for your model. For example, the phase 1 builds bought by the CB&Q did not have the radiator grills. What I’m saying is that this drawing may not be correct for the prototype you wish to model.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Bergh
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 3:45 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Drawing Help

 

Here ya go... Hope this helps, -Eric



Re: Monon

Bill Keene
 

Tim,

Thanks for the response. Yes. Most likely in assigned service. 

My question was more about the Monon box cars with the lettering scheme seen in this photo from the Fallen Flags web site. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Aug 3, 2019, at 11:33 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


This car, repainted in 1952, might have been in assigned service.



On 8/4/2019 12:10 AM, Bill Keene via Groups.Io wrote:

We're the lettered with "The Hoosier Line" in the light gray background in assigned service or free runners?

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On Aug 3, 2019, at 9:19 AM, william darnaby <wdarnaby@...> wrote:

If you mean "The Hoosier Line" on the light grey...yes it was gray... band across the top of boxcars, that would be 1952.

Bill Darnaby



On Saturday, August 3, 2019, 09:47:35 AM CDT, Armand Premo <arm.p.prem@...> wrote:

When did the Monon adopt the "Banner Lettering " on their freight cars? Armand Premo



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Re: Metal Wheels (Lubricants)

Bob Chaparro
 

I am surprised no one has mentioned the benefits of dry lubricants. I spray a small amount of Elmer's Slide-All Teflon into a container and dab it into the truck journals with a micro-brush. The same can be done with liquid graphite. Roll tests show quite an improvement with lubrication.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Metal Wheels

Tony Thompson
 

I have an axle reamer and use it, but rarely find it essential. Axle length is the dominant variable IMO.
Tony Thompson 


On Aug 4, 2019, at 6:00 AM, cptracks via Groups.Io <cptracks@...> wrote:

Axle length is important. 

One extra thing I do, heathen that I am,  that seems to make a big difference is I ream out the axle mounts in delrin trucks. There is a reamer just for that and I have a couple. The difference in wheel turning is often dramatic and it doesn't take much. 

Colin Riley



On Saturday, August 3, 2019, 07:57:13 p.m. PDT, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


I’m amused at those holding forth about which brands roll best. They evidently haven’t noticed how important is axle length, and in that case, my view would be that there is little if any generality to their opinions.
Tony Thompson 


Book FS: "The Postwar Freight Car Fleet"

Scott H. Haycock
 

I have a copy of this book for sale. It is in excellent condition.

It was written by Larry Kline and Ted Culotta, and Published by the A.C. Kalmbach Memorial Library.

I'm asking $50.00 which includes shipping via Media Mail to the lower 48 states.

Contact me off list.

Scott Haycock   


Re: Metal Wheels

cptracks
 

Axle length is important. 

One extra thing I do, heathen that I am,  that seems to make a big difference is I ream out the axle mounts in delrin trucks. There is a reamer just for that and I have a couple. The difference in wheel turning is often dramatic and it doesn't take much. 

Colin Riley



On Saturday, August 3, 2019, 07:57:13 p.m. PDT, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


I’m amused at those holding forth about which brands roll best. They evidently haven’t noticed how important is axle length, and in that case, my view would be that there is little if any generality to their opinions.
Tony Thompson 


Re: Metal Wheels

Kemal Mumcu
 

I've carefully sanded down Kadee's high bolster plastic trucks so that they ride at the proper height. Even with the split bolster it is possible.

Colin Meikle


Re: Metal Wheels

Barry Kenner
 

Hello Group,
I would like to thank the contributors of this topic. It is wonderful to hear from so many with very detailed and informative responses. I’m very appreciative and thank one and all very much. Barry


Re: Monon

Tim O'Connor
 


This car, repainted in 1952, might have been in assigned service.



On 8/4/2019 12:10 AM, Bill Keene via Groups.Io wrote:
We're the lettered with "The Hoosier Line" in the light gray background in assigned service or free runners?

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On Aug 3, 2019, at 9:19 AM, william darnaby <wdarnaby@...> wrote:

If you mean "The Hoosier Line" on the light grey...yes it was gray... band across the top of boxcars, that would be 1952.

Bill Darnaby



On Saturday, August 3, 2019, 09:47:35 AM CDT, Armand Premo <arm.p.prem@...> wrote:

When did the Monon adopt the "Banner Lettering " on their freight cars? Armand Premo



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Gondolas converted into TOFC cars

 

BoB
That's a COFC not a TOFC.
Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA



Re: Monon

Bill Keene
 

We're the lettered with "The Hoosier Line" in the light gray background in assigned service or free runners?

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Aug 3, 2019, at 9:19 AM, william darnaby <wdarnaby@...> wrote:

If you mean "The Hoosier Line" on the light grey...yes it was gray... band across the top of boxcars, that would be 1952.

Bill Darnaby




On Saturday, August 3, 2019, 09:47:35 AM CDT, Armand Premo <arm.p.prem@...> wrote:


When did the Monon adopt the "Banner Lettering " on their freight cars? Armand Premo

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Re: Metal Wheels

radiodial868
 

I concur with the Rapido wheelsets (all metal). I build one resin kit a month, and no matter what trucks, they get the Rapidos' (Code 88). They run $35 for 50 at Hobbylinc.com
RJ Dial


Re: Metal Wheels

Tony Thompson
 

I’m amused at those holding forth about which brands roll best. They evidently haven’t noticed how important is axle length, and in that case, my view would be that there is little if any generality to their opinions.
Tony Thompson 

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Re: Metal Wheels

Dale Muir
 

First, plastic wheels are banned from my layout. Bowser wheelsets are plastic wheels on metal axels, and are pretty good, but I don't use them. Some train set quality plastic wheels are really bad with parting lines across the wheel tread and crooked axels.

 

I use Tangent 33 inch Semi-Scale All-Metal Precision Wheelsets (code 88 tread )for all new freight cars and as replacements in older cars. I use Tangent 36 inch Semi-Scale All-Metal Precision Wheelsets in passenger cars. These are the best I've found so far.  They very free rolling and are round and don't wobble. Buy directly from Tangent. I have not had issues with them being out of stock.

 

ExactRail wheelsets are very good, but seem to be out of stock often.

 

Tahoe Model Works offers trucks with metal wheelsets, including standard and semi-scale wheels. I have a few but don't have experience operating them at this time.

 

I tried Intermountain wheelsets years ago, but a large percentage were out-of-round to the point of being unusable. I check many of them with a dial gauge. I found that out-of-roundness over a ten-thousandth of an inch is noticeable and annoying.  Some of them were off by more than 20 thousandths. The issue seems to be with the molded plastic insulator. They might be better now, but check them carefully. Don't accept wheels that make your cars wobble.

 

I used to buy Proto 2000 wheelsets. They were very good, free rolling and not out-of-round. However, they only come in code 110, wide tread. I have many Proto 2000 freight cars that came with Proto 2000 wheelsets. I haven't found any need to change them.

 

Kadee wheelsets were the gold standard for many years. They are good quality, and don't wobble. They don't roll as well as the Tangent wheelsets because Kadee uses slippery axels, where Tangent, ExactRail, Intermountain, and Proto 2000 use metal axels. Kadee wheels can develop corrosion that manifests as a white crust over a long period of time. Kadee recently added code 88 tread semi-scale wheelsets to their line. They come in sets of 12. I didn't see an option for a bulk pack on their web site.

 

I haven't tried Jay-Bee or ReBoxx wheelsets.

 

Also, get a truck journal reamer tool. There are several brands including Micro-Mark HO Truck Tuner. I've had mine for years. They really do work.

 

Bottom line: You can't beat metal axels in slippery plastic sideframes for rolling quality.

I recommend Tangent wheelsets because they are available in semi-scale code 88 and regular code 110, are very free rolling, don't wobble, and have good availability.

 

Dale Muir

Geneva, IL

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Weiglin
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2019 5:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Metal Wheels

 

I have had best results with Intermountain wheelsets, purchased in boxes of 100 axles.  And yes, that can be a significant expense.  The Intermountain wheels come in 33" and 36" diameters.  Tread width is not offensive.

There are NO plastic wheels on my railroad, and operation is not impeded by dirty track.  What used to be a headache is gone.

I try not to calculate what I have spent on wheelsets over the years; best not to think about it.  Just convert as you can.


Re: Metal Wheels

Tim O'Connor
 


Kadee has not changed their wheels, but roll tests with the new HGC trucks show they perform
vastly better than the old Kadee trucks - it's now "slippery plastic on slippery plastic" instead of
"metal to plastic" contact

I'm not reluctant anymore to buy Kadee trucks, esp with .088 wheel treads. But the bolster to body
mount issue does limit their utility.

Tim O'



> I’ve personally had bad luck with kadee wheels, going back to their code 110 ones years ago, so I haven’t tried and new offerings
> Brian Carlson

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Gondolas converted into TOFC cars

Tim O'Connor
 


Huh. The 47 foot length made me think they were USRA gondolas. The M-15 was 40 feet right?


On 8/3/2019 3:06 PM, rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io wrote:
Nice photo Tim. Those B&O TOFCEE service "flat cars" were made by rebuilding the relatively new "1955" underframes from the M-15 wagon-tops.  They did configurations for TOFC and COFC.

Bob Witt

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