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Re: WTB- Unbuilt Sunshine Rr-46 74.13 or 74.14

Scott
 

The kit has been located.

Thank you!
Scott McDonald

WTB- Unbuilt Sunshine Rr-46 74.13 or 74.14

Scott
 

Looking to buy an unstarted Sunshine Rr-46 kit.  I don't mind which one it is of the two.  Please reply off list.

Thank you 
Scott McDonald

Re: I believe this is an Armour reefer - can anyone confirm or refute?

Douglas Harding
 

Most likely an early Armour P/L scheme. See attached photo.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of al_brown03
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 4:23 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] I believe this is an Armour reefer - can anyone confirm or refute?

 

Left of the door looks to me like "Armour" over "Refrigerator" over "Line". I imagine the logo to the right of the door advertises some product.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

Re: WP Dispatch Service [was Less Than Carload Shipments]

Bob Webber
 

& branchline did the kit in HO with lettering....Somewhere I have the original ad for the cars - and have 4 of the Branchline cars

Grey - btw - the MP Eagle LCL cars also were grey not white.

At 03:32 AM 8/7/2019, Garth Groff wrote:
Fred,

Walthers did offer the Merchandise Service decals up into the 1970s. Even if you could find some, Walthers decals that old have a bad habit of going to pieces when soaked.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 8/7/19 2:39 AM, Fred Jansz wrote:
Hi Garth,

You are right no manufacturer offered us a correct scale model of the WP Merchandise Dispatch cars.
However, Speedwitch offered the 9'6" WP 20001-series cars in resin years ago (kit K114).
Unfortunately no decals are available AFAIK.

cheers, Fred Jansz
Bob Webber

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Less Than Carload Shipments

Douglas Harding
 

Here is a scan of the M&StL’s LCL Schedule, circa 1952, the year the green boxcars were painted. The MSTL had trucking firms contracted to handle LCL service in many smaller communities. Brady trucking of Fort Dodge was the company used in Iowa. Spellacy was the company used in Minnesota. The MSTL also had a fleet of trucks for this service.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 3:33 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Less Than Carload Shipments

 


According to this web site, the Pacific Electric ceased all RAIL LCL in 1952,
and transferred the service to trucks (e.g. Pacific Motor Transport). Someone
here mentioned using LCL rather late, it taking a month to cross the country,
and suspecting it was all done by truck. That sounds right to me. The SP embraced
intermodal by the early 1950's and Overnight trains had lots of piggyback trailers
even before the end of steam operations.

http://www.elserenohistoricalsociety.org/P___E_RR.php

Tim O'Connor



On 8/7/2019 3:13 PM, C J Wyatt wrote:

If something was completely hopeless, you could get a favorable ICC decision. With LCL, I think that happened long before the Staggers Act. I never came across any railroad operated LCL operations in the seventies during my railroad career.

 

Jack Wyatt

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: I believe this is an Armour reefer - can anyone confirm or refute?

al_brown03
 

Left of the door looks to me like "Armour" over "Refrigerator" over "Line". I imagine the logo to the right of the door advertises some product.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

I believe this is an Armour reefer - can anyone confirm or refute?

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
There is a nice image of a reefer at the image below - caption reads "The Refrigerator Plant and Adjacent Long Island Railroad Siding at Camp Upton"
 
 
You can see a bigger version of the image by...
 
Clicking on the image
 
Then clicking on 'View larger'
 
At this point, you can go further and get a still bigger image by right-clicking on the image and clicking on 'View image' - this last part works in Firefox at least, other browsers and you are on your own.
 
I believe this is an Armour reefer - can anyone confirm or refute?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Less Than Carload Shipments

Tim O'Connor
 


According to this web site, the Pacific Electric ceased all RAIL LCL in 1952,
and transferred the service to trucks (e.g. Pacific Motor Transport). Someone
here mentioned using LCL rather late, it taking a month to cross the country,
and suspecting it was all done by truck. That sounds right to me. The SP embraced
intermodal by the early 1950's and Overnight trains had lots of piggyback trailers
even before the end of steam operations.

http://www.elserenohistoricalsociety.org/P___E_RR.php

Tim O'Connor



On 8/7/2019 3:13 PM, C J Wyatt wrote:
If something was completely hopeless, you could get a favorable ICC decision. With LCL, I think that happened long before the Staggers Act. I never came across any railroad operated LCL operations in the seventies during my railroad career.

Jack Wyatt


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Less Than Carload Shipments

C J Wyatt
 

If something was completely hopeless, you could get a favorable ICC decision. With LCL, I think that happened long before the Staggers Act. I never came across any railroad operated LCL operations in the seventies during my railroad career.

Jack Wyatt

On Wednesday, August 7, 2019, 12:44:14 PM EDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Mike, I don't think Dennis meant it died instantly. It was a slow death. ;-)

As Dennis noted, and I think he may be right, railroads could not opt out without
cause until after the Staggers Act took effect. (It took years to be fully in effect.)

Tim O'



On 8/6/2019 1:28 PM, Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io wrote:

Hello Dennis & Group!

Down below, Dennis S says the following--
        "The traditional operation, where the local freight had an LCL car that delivered to each station as it worked down the line, died with the end of WWII."

Respectfully, I must submit, this is simply wrong.

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: WP Dispatch Service [was Less Than Carload Shipments]

Rod Miller
 

Protocraft makes the WP Dispatch lettering in O scale:

https://protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=252&Categoryid=20&This_Sub_Sub_Category=WP

--
Rod Miller
Handcraftsman
===
Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives,
Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More
http://www.rodmiller.com

Re: Atlas HO Meat Reefer Reservations

Bill Welch
 

Thanks Doug, the is an Armour truss rod I want to do.

Bill Welch

Re: Trouble shooting a freight car

Marty McGuirk
 

I bought two of these cars - one of them had a loose weight.
Jared, is the weight secured inside the car?

Marty

On Aug 6, 2019, at 4:56 PM, Bruce A. Metcalf <brmetcalf@...> wrote:

On 8/5/19 10:15 PM, Jared Harper wrote:

At the Collinsville RPM meet I "won" a Rapido NP Pre-War USRA DS box car. It is a beautiful model except for one thing, it lists to one side. I am not so great at troubleshooting freight car problems. Do any of you have a suggestion as to how I should correct this list.?
In my experience, this is usually caused by the weight being tilted up against one side of the car instead of on the floor.

Second place I'd look would be the body not sitting level on the floor.

I suppose both trucks could be mashed, but that seems unlikely.

Or you could just send it to me and get rid of your problem that way! <G>

Cheers,
/ Bruce /


Re: Atlas HO Meat Reefer Reservations

Douglas Harding
 

Also be aware that some underframes came with truss rods, some did not. The metal casting the was the same, complete with holes for truss rods in the cars that did not have truss rods.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 6:33 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Atlas HO Meat Reefer Reservations

 

Among the several items Atlas is taking reservations for are their three styles of meat reefers: https://mycaboose.com/new-releases/atlas-ho-rolling-stock-summer-advanced-reservations?mc_cid=e5cbde1b3e&mc_eid=fef507ff99&page=1&utm_campaign=e5cbde1b3e-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_03_09_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Caboose+Newsletter&utm_term=0_907397b93c-e5cbde1b3e-100264421
I am going to reserve one or two of the Truss Rod types:  Part #150-20001680

I was unaware they had two different styles or types w/o Truss Rods:

—36' Wood Refrigerator Car Undecorated Body Style 1 Part #150-20001678
36' Wood Refrigerator Car Undecorated Body Style 2 Part #150-20001679

Can anyone please tell me what the difference is between these two Part Numbers?

Bill Welch

 

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Less Than Carload Shipments

Tim O'Connor
 


Mike, I don't think Dennis meant it died instantly. It was a slow death. ;-)

As Dennis noted, and I think he may be right, railroads could not opt out without
cause until after the Staggers Act took effect. (It took years to be fully in effect.)

Tim O'



On 8/6/2019 1:28 PM, Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io wrote:
Hello Dennis & Group!

Down below, Dennis S says the following--
        "The traditional operation, where the local freight had an LCL car that delivered to each station as it worked down the line, died with the end of WWII."

Respectfully, I must submit, this is simply wrong.

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: WP Dispatch Service [was Less Than Carload Shipments]

dave w
 

Garth
Great story and information from both historical and as example of operations (suitable for modelling) .
Who said the railroads were inflexible?
regards
davew

Re: Trouble shooting a freight car

Bruce A. Metcalf <brmetcalf@...>
 

On 8/5/19 10:15 PM, Jared Harper wrote:

At the Collinsville RPM meet I "won" a Rapido NP Pre-War USRA DS box car.  It is a beautiful model except for one thing, it lists to one side.  I am not so great at troubleshooting freight car problems.  Do any of you have a suggestion as to how I should correct this list.?
In my experience, this is usually caused by the weight being tilted up against one side of the car instead of on the floor.

Second place I'd look would be the body not sitting level on the floor.

I suppose both trucks could be mashed, but that seems unlikely.

Or you could just send it to me and get rid of your problem that way! <G>

Cheers,
/ Bruce /

Re: Metal Wheels

Tim O'Connor
 


TICHY sells nylon journal bearing inserts that will allow
you to use much shorter axles. You drill/ream the sideframe
to take the insert. They work great with old brass trucks with
straight (not tapered) journals.

Tim O'Connor



On 8/7/2019 7:47 AM, Mark Stamm wrote:
The NMRA practice is what has me in a pickle. I have tons of Bowser H21 hoppers; my primary interest is the PRR. Those plastic wheels have to go and to my knowledge only Reboxx makes replacement sets in the 1.035 length. Any other wheel set I have tried has to much slop side to side. 

Mark P Stamm

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Metal Wheels

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 07:19 AM, Alexander Schneider Jr wrote:
...between the two Accurail designs of 1.010" and 1.025” would be a good “preferred” value. Lifelike seems to be the dominant replacement wheel at 1.015”.
I should correct one misconception that has crept in here... the Accurail truck tool was initially designed to accommodate our molded plastic wheels, and required metal replacement wheels with axles no longer than 1.005". As revised, it will accommodate axles up to 1.015".

I don't doubt that Doc Denny has found an Accurail truck that will accept an axle 1.025' long, but it's an outlier. All three Accurail trucks use the exact same inner mechanics to form the bearing cones, and I mean EXACTLY the same parts; only the side actions that have the sideframe detail are changed out. That's not to say that the varying thickness of the sideframes doesn't cause slightly different shrinkage, and polyacetal is a high shrink polymer, but those differences are going to get lost in the gradual change of the cavity dimensions as the movable parts that form the cones wear between maintenance cycles. If we have a crash (it happens) that damages one of those sliding parts (called lifters in the injection molding trade, although the name is a misnomer) replacing one will change the dimensions of that axle spot only, until the tool is completely re-worked during periodic maintenance.

Dennis Storzek
Accurail, Inc.

Re: Metal Wheels

Dennis Storzek
 

Hmmm, the groups.io froze and wouldn't allow me to finish the last message. I'm curious about the Bowser axles. If the axles are usable, and the axles are a common diameter, either 3/32 (,09375) or 2 mm (.0787) it should be possible to press the wheels off the axles and press metal wheels on. I'd look for donor wheelsets that are double insulated, because it is considerably easier to press wheels with plastic bushings off and on.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Metal Wheels

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 07:19 AM, Alexander Schneider Jr wrote:
It should be noted that NMRA RP 24.3, "Axles", specifies only the MAXIMUM length, which is 1.035".
This is true, and I am aware of it. The problem with how the NMRA Standards and R.P.s are written is while they typically give limits, they give absolutely no guidance as to what the preferred length might be. With no guidance and little or no experience in the hobby, the mold designer will typically pick a value close to the specified limit, only allowing a reasonable manufacturing tolerance so as to ensure they don't exceed the limit... such as 1.032 +/- .002" should keep us safe. That totally misses the point that if .990" would have been a better length, then the axles should have been .990.

It's a shame that the gentleman who wants to re-wheel the Bowser cars didn't look into it a couple of years ago, because NWSL used to be able to provide custom length axles for a reasonable extra set-up charge. Now that NWSL is closing, that source is gone.