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Re: An update from Yarmouth Model Works

Roger Huber
 

I wouldn't car it homely but it is different! Who does the trucks like on the first series photo?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Friday, August 9, 2019, 07:26:01 AM CDT, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:


Very excited about the N&W B5, arguably the most homely boxcar ever built. thank you for doing them Pierre.

Bill Welch

Re: An update from Yarmouth Model Works

James Brewer
 

Like Bill, I am excited and glad and N&W B-5 boxcar is being done....but I think it is beautiful, not homely! LOL!  The other kits look great as well.  Thanks for doing all of these cars.

Jim Brewer

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 8:26 AM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
Very excited about the N&W B5, arguably the most homely boxcar ever built. thank you for doing them Pierre.

Bill Welch

Re: Railway express agency (was LCL)

Nelson Moyer
 

My one and only experience with REA was in 1974, well toward their demise. I was discharged from the Air Force at Little Rock Air Force Base and moving back to Florida. The Mayflower driver loading my belongings refused to accept responsibility for my Altec Lansing stereo speakers, which were rather large. After arguing with him and losing the argument, I called REA to ship them to Jacksonville. I would have done better using a trucking company. A month after I arrived in Jacksonville, the speakers were delivered to my apartment. I uncreated them to fine that they hadn’t been packed properly, and the top had been ripped off one speaker, and both walnut veneer cabinets were badly damaged. I filed a claim, and an adjuster came out to expect the damage. He was less than sympathetic, and at first insisted that REA wasn’t responsible for the damage. He told me to have them repaired. I told him that it was impossible to restore speaker performance on speakers that were that badly damaged, and I expected full replacement costs as they were less than two years old. After much bitter argument, I ended up with 75% if replacement cost. The speakers went into a dumpster. Frankly, I was glad to see REA go bankrupt.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Charles Peck
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 6:33 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Railway express agency (was LCL)

 

The REA shipments that I remember were flowers and live day old chicks. 

For Valentines Day lots of small town florists would be getting boxes of roses. At the REA building back behind Louisville KY Union Station there would be fragrant carts of boxes to be distributed to this local and that.

Springtime also brought boxes of live chicks, 100 to the ventilated box.  They had to be kept warm and delivered within 48 hours as I recall.  I saw baggage carts stacked high with chicks.  PEEP  PEEP PEEP!

I recall being told that these shipment were often COD, cash on delivery.  If not picked up in 24 hours, the agent was authorized to sell the chicks for the REA charge.  Better than disposing of dead chicks. 

Chuck Peck 

 

Re: Railway express agency (was LCL)

Bob Webber
 

Get Ten Turtles to Tucamcari - a book that will explain REA concepts, work and methods the best. (Also the REA equipment book by Rossman)

At one time, REA was the Parcel Post, FedEx, UPS, and messenger service rolled into one. In many cases, more important than the USPO. You wanted chicks to Babylon? They hauled live chicks throughout the country. This is one reason I strive to to make people understand - a baggage car and a mail baggage car are usually not that simple. That's one reason the designation for most was either BE or MBE. Folks who should know a lot better, term any car with mail apartments an RPO - completely dismissing the Express component.

A package would be sent via a passenger train - usually the first leg would be a primary or secondary train - then the package would be moved to another car/train for continuation -. At the station, it would be given to the agent, Then a delivery man would take the package via wagon, truck, feet to it's destination. Anything and everything from live stock to sewing needles were sent this way.

Note that the REA messenger would not necessarily be the messenger within the BE - there might be two or the two components (baggage and company mail vs express) would be separated within the car. *MOST* baggage cars were not used for baggage, they were used for express. In the era of this list, there were huge mail order businesses, remnants of which sort of exist today - Sears, Montgomery Ward, J. C. Penny and others - used REA as much as Amazon used to use Fed-Ex & UPS. And it went everywhere. The green trucks were ubiquitous. Today, Amazon has fulfillment centers around the country, but originally they were centered in Memphis & Louisville (among others) so that they were near the hubs of Fed-Exx & UPS. The concept is no different today, although trucks have a far larger component than do the planes (rail in this era).

Express in the original mode started dying when Congress allowed the Post office to take parcels. Once that happened - given the point to point route mail has (from a shipper perspective) and cheaper rates, it was natural to use USPO. REA then started COFC & TOFC as well as dedicated reefers and special cars (horse, for example) to attempt to gain back share - but it was a slide from the mid 50s on. If you are modeling in the steam era, REA should be a major component - wether in trains (both freight & passenger) or simply in the scenery. Look at ANY station or depot plat and you will see an REA building or room. Look at urban scenes, you'll likely find the van. REA also initiated the hated ads on the sides of trucks.

Often, baggage cars that had gone west in passenger trains, returned in all local trains or even freight trains. Same with mail cars. Those who should know better continue to simply call them "baggage" or RPO" cars when the truth is, in the era they are modeling, Express was a HUGE component. Note most such cars included the name on the side of the "baggage" compartment. Fans & modelers get into sloppy habits of calling things incorrectly and are willfully ignorant - Express cars, Mail Cars, Single Sheathed, running boards, etc. are all known well enough to term things correctly.



At 08:59 PM 8/8/2019, steve_wintner via Groups.Io wrote:
Since LCL is being discussed in another thread, I thought I'd ask a related question - can anyone summarize REA ops, or suggest some books or resources?

I have heard it described as "UPS by rail", but struggle to understand that. Between large cities, sure, or along the lines between them. Chicago to Mundelein or Deerfield IL, for example. And often as head end traffic on passenger trains.

But how did REA go about shipping, a few parcels to small towns on branch lines? They wouldn't have an REA car full, clearly. I imagine the REA parcels got loaded in with other LCL on the railroads own cars (or trucks), as being discussed in that thread? Would it have been handled by the local passenger train, or freight, or was it simply whatever came by next?

Or would it have likely been delivered by REA trucks?

Thanks
- Puzzled in Seattle
Bob Webber

Re: An update from Yarmouth Model Works

Bill Welch
 

Very excited about the N&W B5, arguably the most homely boxcar ever built. thank you for doing them Pierre.

Bill Welch

An update from Yarmouth Model Works

Pierre Oliver
 

Please have a look at this blog post for news from Yarmouth Model Works
https://elgincarshops.blogspot.com/2019/08/new-kits-for-fall-of-2019.html

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

Re: Railway express agency (was LCL)

Charles Peck
 

The REA shipments that I remember were flowers and live day old chicks. 
For Valentines Day lots of small town florists would be getting boxes of roses. At the REA building back behind Louisville KY Union Station there would be fragrant carts of boxes to be distributed to this local and that.
Springtime also brought boxes of live chicks, 100 to the ventilated box.  They had to be kept warm and delivered within 48 hours as I recall.  I saw baggage carts stacked high with chicks.  PEEP  PEEP PEEP!
I recall being told that these shipment were often COD, cash on delivery.  If not picked up in 24 hours, the agent was authorized to sell the chicks for the REA charge.  Better than disposing of dead chicks. 
Chuck Peck 

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:19 AM Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 08:34 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:

REA shipments were express shipments, handled in baggage cars. LCL was handled in freight cars.

 

Doug has it right; LCL and Express don't mix. LCL was a freight tariff, the cheapest way to ship heavy, bulky items that didn't fill a car. It was more expensive than carload rate, but carload rate didn't do the store that needed to ship ONE stove to a customer much good. It wasn't particularly fast, but in the days before trucks, was as fast as any other method.

Express was premium service. In the days before FedEx and air freight, if it absolutely positively had to get there quickly, it went express. Express moved at passenger train speed, because it moved on passenger trains. While REA owned their own cars for large shipments, they also leased space in the baggage cars of at least one train on every possible route. Very common in the Midwest were mail & express cars, a 15 or 30 foot postal apartment, with the rest of the car dedicated to express and whatever baggage there was. The RPO clerks handled the mail, and the baggage man handled the express, with his salary partially paid by REA. Where LCL and express finally came together was in the freight room of the small local depots, where both waited to be claimed.

Dennis Storzek

Photography as a tool

Eric Hansmann
 

I find a camera can be a helpful tool when building models and to capture roster shots when the models are completed. A few photo tips are shared in my latest blog post.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2019/08/09/photography/



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

Re: Metal Wheels

Donald B. Valentine
 

     So it appears that once again the NMRA coild do the hobby a favor and promote a standard for axle size,
length and bearing style for the end as well. Has the NMRA actually upgraded any of its standards for such
things in the last 20 years?

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Railway express agency (was LCL)

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 08:34 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:

REA shipments were express shipments, handled in baggage cars. LCL was handled in freight cars.

 

Doug has it right; LCL and Express don't mix. LCL was a freight tariff, the cheapest way to ship heavy, bulky items that didn't fill a car. It was more expensive than carload rate, but carload rate didn't do the store that needed to ship ONE stove to a customer much good. It wasn't particularly fast, but in the days before trucks, was as fast as any other method.

Express was premium service. In the days before FedEx and air freight, if it absolutely positively had to get there quickly, it went express. Express moved at passenger train speed, because it moved on passenger trains. While REA owned their own cars for large shipments, they also leased space in the baggage cars of at least one train on every possible route. Very common in the Midwest were mail & express cars, a 15 or 30 foot postal apartment, with the rest of the car dedicated to express and whatever baggage there was. The RPO clerks handled the mail, and the baggage man handled the express, with his salary partially paid by REA. Where LCL and express finally came together was in the freight room of the small local depots, where both waited to be claimed.

Dennis Storzek

The Blackhawks Move West

John Barry
 

The Blackhawks move West

On the 74th anniversary of the second major event that preserved my dad's bacon in WWII, I've written a blog post with links to the make up, identification, schedule and routing of the 23 trains that moved the 86th Infantry Division from Camp Livingston Louisiana to Camp Cooke California for Amphibious training.  No car numbers this time, but the car types are there that moved the 9146 men that dad was part of at the time.



John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736

Re: Railway express agency (was LCL)

Douglas Harding
 

Read “Ten Turtles to Tucumcari: A Personal History of the Railway Express Agency” by Klink Garrett and Toby Smith

Garrett worked for the REA his entire career, climbing the ladder to a VP. Book is full of personal accounts and stories.

In short REA was a consolidation of several premium shippers after WW1, which operated as an independent express shipper, who charge a premium price for premium service. Yes they had their own employees, rail cars, trucks and building in large cities. In small towns often the local railroad agent was also paid by REA to function as their agent. REA shipments were express shipments, handled in baggage cars. LCL was handled in freight cars.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of steve_wintner via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 9:00 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Railway express agency (was LCL)

 

Since LCL is being discussed in another thread, I thought I'd ask a related question - can anyone summarize REA ops, or suggest some books or resources?

I have heard it described as "UPS by rail", but struggle to understand that. Between large cities, sure, or along the lines between them. Chicago to Mundelein or Deerfield IL, for example. And often as head end traffic on passenger trains.

But how did REA go about shipping, a few parcels to small towns on branch lines? They wouldn't have an REA car full, clearly. I imagine the REA parcels got loaded in with other LCL on the railroads own cars (or trucks), as being discussed in that thread? Would it have been handled by the local passenger train, or freight, or was it simply whatever came by next?

Or would it have likely been delivered by REA trucks? 

Thanks
- Puzzled in Seattle

Re: Railway express agency (was LCL)

Thomas Evans
 

Hi Steve,

From my experience Railway Express had their own offices & storage buildings in even smaller towns (but not really tiny places), always shipped on passenger trains, usually in railroad-owned "express cars" with their name often stenciled on the side, and had their own trucks for local delivery.  It was definitely a premium service & was a big operation at one time.  There were other express companies including Wells Fargo that operated in a similar way, but only one would typically have the contract with any given railroad.  I think I remember hearing that the New York Central had their own express company?  Others here can probably add more & correct my mistakes.

Tom

PS - I remember when I was a kid the local passenger train stopping in Rocky Ford, Colorado, for up to a half hour during cantaloupe season while they loaded 3 express cars full of crates of cantaloupes headed for Denver & who-knows-where-else.

Re: Railway express agency (was LCL)

Stic Harris
 

Good evening,

I’ve found a pretty good education from:

Railway Express Agency: An Overview - VS Roseman


I think it’s out of print, but picked up a copy on eBay a few years ago. 

Stic Harris


Sent from Stic's iPad

On Aug 8, 2019, at 21:59, steve_wintner via Groups.Io <steve_wintner@...> wrote:

Since LCL is being discussed in another thread, I thought I'd ask a related question - can anyone summarize REA ops, or suggest some books or resources?

I have heard it described as "UPS by rail", but struggle to understand that. Between large cities, sure, or along the lines between them. Chicago to Mundelein or Deerfield IL, for example. And often as head end traffic on passenger trains.

But how did REA go about shipping, a few parcels to small towns on branch lines? They wouldn't have an REA car full, clearly. I imagine the REA parcels got loaded in with other LCL on the railroads own cars (or trucks), as being discussed in that thread? Would it have been handled by the local passenger train, or freight, or was it simply whatever came by next?

Or would it have likely been delivered by REA trucks? 

Thanks
- Puzzled in Seattle

Railway express agency (was LCL)

steve_wintner
 

Since LCL is being discussed in another thread, I thought I'd ask a related question - can anyone summarize REA ops, or suggest some books or resources?

I have heard it described as "UPS by rail", but struggle to understand that. Between large cities, sure, or along the lines between them. Chicago to Mundelein or Deerfield IL, for example. And often as head end traffic on passenger trains.

But how did REA go about shipping, a few parcels to small towns on branch lines? They wouldn't have an REA car full, clearly. I imagine the REA parcels got loaded in with other LCL on the railroads own cars (or trucks), as being discussed in that thread? Would it have been handled by the local passenger train, or freight, or was it simply whatever came by next?

Or would it have likely been delivered by REA trucks? 

Thanks
- Puzzled in Seattle

Rock Island & CNW Rebuilt USRA Box Car Detailed Drawings Needed

Ross Dando
 

All, 
I know the shake n take kit was done a few years ago and that there are drawings in the car cyclopedias.  Working on an O scale master and I have been unable to find detailed enough drawings to determine the cross section of the sides and how they were attached to the existing frames of the car. Does anyone have a detailed general arrangement, erection drawing or anything to give me the bread crumbs to get me there?
Thank in advance,
Ross Dando
Meridian, Idaho

Re: Metal Wheels

Aley, Jeff A
 

A tedious, but not impossible, solution is to remove the plastic wheels from their axles, and press on suitable metal wheels.  I think it was Dennis Storzek who pointed out that pressing on an insulated wheel is easier than pressing on one that is not insulated.

 

It occurs to me that, in the absence of Reboxx, it would be helpful to have a chart of metal wheelsets and their axle lengths.  For example, we know that Tangent 33” wheels have 1.002” axles.

And we know that Intermountain have 1.006” axles.

 

Reboxx has a chart of trucks and the corresponding “ideal” axle length.  So we can see that Tangent wheels would be ideal for

Eastern Car Works ACF Express Reefer 9041 n/a 33-1-1.000 23

Eastern Car Works Barber S-2 Roller Bearing 9054 n/a 33-1-1.000 25

Eastern Car Works Bettendorf RB Conversion 9056 9 33-1-1.000 27

Eastern Car Works Dalman Two Level 9061 4 33-1-1.000 25

Eastern Car Works National C-1 Roller Bearing 9060 n/a 33-1-1.000 24

Eastern Car Works National Super C-1 100T RB 9062 0 33-1-1.000 27

Ertl Bettendorf 7 33-1-1.000 23

InterMountain Andrews w/plastic wheel 15 33-1-1.000 27

Old Pullman Andrews black label 40011 2 33-1-1.000 19

 

And we can see that Intermountain would be ideal for

Accurail Bettendorf 0100 12 33-1-1.010 22

E & C Barber S-2 w/metal wheels 0 33-1-1.010 15

Eastern Car Works 6 Wheel Buckeye Roller Bearing 9073/9083 n/a 33-1-1.010 14

Eastern Car Works 6 wheel Commonwealth Int. Pedestal 9071/9081 n/a 33-1-1.010 22

Eastern Car Works Bettendorf Friction Bearing 9053 10 33-1-1.010 16

Eastern Car Works Buckeye Friction Bearing 9072/9082 n/a 33-1-1.010 22

InterMountain Accurail Bettendorf w/metal wheels 18 33-1-1.010 22

InterMountain ASF 50T w/metal wheels, rigid 33-1-1.010 21

Mantua Bettendorf E1 18 33-1-1.010 19

Perfect Bettendorf talgo 444 10 33-1-1.010 18

Red Caboose T-Section Bettendorf equalized

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2019 1:08 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Metal Wheels

 

The problem with bowser wheels is they only come in code 110 and wheel face looks nothing like a real wheel. Same problem as the ugly BLI wheels on their tank cars. 

Brian J. Carlson 


On Aug 8, 2019, at 3:48 PM, Alexander Schneider Jr <aschneiderjr@...> wrote:

I just ordered three packages of direct replacement metal wheelsets from Bowser. Item 40198, $20.

Alex Schneider

 

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 11:05 AM, Tim O'Connor

<timboconnor@...> wrote:


TICHY sells nylon journal bearing inserts that will allow
you to use much shorter axles. You drill/ream the sideframe
to take the insert. They work great with old brass trucks with
straight (not tapered) journals.

Tim O'Connor



On 8/7/2019 7:47 AM, Mark Stamm wrote:

The NMRA practice is what has me in a pickle. I have tons of Bowser H21 hoppers; my primary interest is the PRR. Those plastic wheels have to go and to my knowledge only Reboxx makes replacement sets in the 1.035 length. Any other wheel set I have tried has to much slop side to side. 
 
Mark P Stamm


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Metal Wheels

Brian Carlson
 

The problem with bowser wheels is they only come in code 110 and wheel face looks nothing like a real wheel. Same problem as the ugly BLI wheels on their tank cars. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Aug 8, 2019, at 3:48 PM, Alexander Schneider Jr <aschneiderjr@...> wrote:

I just ordered three packages of direct replacement metal wheelsets from Bowser. Item 40198, $20.

Alex Schneider

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 11:05 AM, Tim O'Connor

TICHY sells nylon journal bearing inserts that will allow
you to use much shorter axles. You drill/ream the sideframe
to take the insert. They work great with old brass trucks with
straight (not tapered) journals.

Tim O'Connor



On 8/7/2019 7:47 AM, Mark Stamm wrote:

The NMRA practice is what has me in a pickle. I have tons of Bowser H21 hoppers; my primary interest is the PRR. Those plastic wheels have to go and to my knowledge only Reboxx makes replacement sets in the 1.035 length. Any other wheel set I have tried has to much slop side to side. 

Mark P Stamm

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Trouble shooting a freight car

Jared Harper
 

















thanks!

Jared







Re: Trouble shooting a freight car

Jared Harper
 

Yes.