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Re: 2018 Chicagoland MiniKit

Gary Roe
 

Thanks Claus!

The kit is a resin casting for an FGEX reefer.  Fortunately, the Queen posts are already built in.

gary roe
quincy, illinois


On Tuesday, August 13, 2019, 8:09:43 PM CDT, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi Gary,
 
Since I model the year 1929 in N scale, I face this issue from time to time.
 
In the past, I have used Grant Line HOn3 turnbuckles on my N scale equipment. They are quite tiny, and appropriately sized for N scale.
 
See attached image (hopefully it is attached...) of the turnbuckles in use under an N scale passenger car - the turnbuckles will look just as good under a Steam Era Freight Car.
 
I am not familiar with the specific Minikit you are working on, but if it does not come with queen posts, Grant Line makes (made?) those as well for HOn3, and that is what I used on the passenger car model
 
Be sure to post a few images of the completed car - I would love to see it!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Roe
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 8:33 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] 2018 Chicagoland MiniKit

Admittedly, I am diving into this project a bit late; but have acquired all the parts I need, save for one.

I am building the N Scale version, and am at a loss for what to do about the turnbuckles.  Walthers catalog showed none that I could find, and a look at the Tichy web site also produced no results.

Anyone know where these tiny little buggers might be found?

Remember...N Scale.

Thanks!

gary roe
quincy, illinois

Re: 2018 Chicagoland MiniKit

Donald B. Valentine
 

Claus, your photo of "Utopia" prompts a question I just have to ask. Did anyone really ever create
a door for a baggage section with as much glass in it? It looks like a moving target! What is the
prototype for this car?

Thanks,  Don Valentine

Re: Flat Car Load Placement

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Nelson and Friends,

WP steam-era 50' fishbelly flat cars had similar lettering. It was seen on PC&F-built 2351-2400 and on nearly-identical AC&F-built 2401-2700. The early 1950s bulkhead conversions from the latter group, 2851-2925, retained this lettering. Similar lettering was included on one of the old Walthers stock lettering sheets they stuffed into the package with almost every roadname. I will use this on my Chad Boas WP models (if I ever find time to build them, and if the decals don't fall apart).

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 8/13/19 10:44 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

A while back, there was a thread on transformer loads on flat cars, and there was no consensus on where to place a single heavy load, i.e. in the center of the car or over one of the trucks. I was cutting out decals for the Owl Mountain SP F-50- 10 flat car tonight, and there is a stencil to be placed on the center of the side sill that reads:

 

CONCENTRATED LOAD HERE MUST

            NOT EXCEED 50000 LBS

 

The car has a capacity of 100000 lbs. and a load limit of 134900 lbs. with a light weight of 34100 lbs., so any single load between 50000-100000 lbs. would be placed over one of the trucks. I don’t know if this load restriction is unique to the SP, or SP is following a standard practice for heavy single loads. Apparently the fishbelly center sill on the F-5--10 had a deflection at the center of a linear load restriction of 50000 lbs.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

 


Flat Car Load Placement

Nelson Moyer
 

A while back, there was a thread on transformer loads on flat cars, and there was no consensus on where to place a single heavy load, i.e. in the center of the car or over one of the trucks. I was cutting out decals for the Owl Mountain SP F-50- 10 flat car tonight, and there is a stencil to be placed on the center of the side sill that reads:

 

CONCENTRATED LOAD HERE MUST

            NOT EXCEED 50000 LBS

 

The car has a capacity of 100000 lbs. and a load limit of 134900 lbs. with a light weight of 34100 lbs., so any single load between 50000-100000 lbs. would be placed over one of the trucks. I don’t know if this load restriction is unique to the SP, or SP is following a standard practice for heavy single loads. Apparently the fishbelly center sill on the F-5--10 had a deflection at the center of a linear load restriction of 50000 lbs.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

 

nice image of stock car SLSF 47864

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
There is a nice image of stock car SLSF 47864 at the link below...
 
 
Caption info can be read at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund

Re: 2018 Chicagoland MiniKit

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Gary,
 
Since I model the year 1929 in N scale, I face this issue from time to time.
 
In the past, I have used Grant Line HOn3 turnbuckles on my N scale equipment. They are quite tiny, and appropriately sized for N scale.
 
See attached image (hopefully it is attached...) of the turnbuckles in use under an N scale passenger car - the turnbuckles will look just as good under a Steam Era Freight Car.
 
I am not familiar with the specific Minikit you are working on, but if it does not come with queen posts, Grant Line makes (made?) those as well for HOn3, and that is what I used on the passenger car model
 
Be sure to post a few images of the completed car - I would love to see it!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Roe
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 8:33 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] 2018 Chicagoland MiniKit

Admittedly, I am diving into this project a bit late; but have acquired all the parts I need, save for one.

I am building the N Scale version, and am at a loss for what to do about the turnbuckles.  Walthers catalog showed none that I could find, and a look at the Tichy web site also produced no results.

Anyone know where these tiny little buggers might be found?

Remember...N Scale.

Thanks!

gary roe
quincy, illinois

Re: TH&B USRA 40-ton DS Boxcar question

Kemal Mumcu
 

I put your question up on the TH&B Modeller's group over at Yahoo groups. I'll post a reply if anything comes in.

Colin Meikle

2018 Chicagoland MiniKit

Gary Roe
 

Admittedly, I am diving into this project a bit late; but have acquired all the parts I need, save for one.

I am building the N Scale version, and am at a loss for what to do about the turnbuckles.  Walthers catalog showed none that I could find, and a look at the Tichy web site also produced no results.

Anyone know where these tiny little buggers might be found?

Remember...N Scale.

Thanks!

gary roe
quincy, illinois

Re: Kids, Don't Try this at Home: UP Prototype...ATSF Paint & Lettering

Benjamin Hom
 

Dave Soderblom wrote:
"Please say more so I can understand your point..."

Trix invested a lot of money to badly tool (the roofs in particular are really bad representations of the rectangular panel roof) a prototype that are distinctly Union Pacific (including alternate center rivets), only to cave in and slap Santa Fe on it, including a bogus car class (Bx-36 is a USRA rebuild).  Monumental fail on many levels, and a license to steal money from the luckless bastard who buys this thing.

The other freight cars in this issue (the auto car and PFE steel reefer) have significant issues as well.


Ben Hom

Re: Kids, Don't Try this at Home: UP Prototype...ATSF Paint & Lettering

David Soderblom
 

Ben:

Please say more so I can understand your point...



David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA
drs@...

Tichy tank car

David
 

ACF's tanks before the Type 27 tended to be shorter lengthwise for their nominal gallonage?? (and therefore larger in diameter) than most of the other tank car builders. What you want for that Milwaukee car is?? the old Proto 2000 ACF Type 21 tank.

David Thompson

Tichy tank car

Andy Carlson
 

I have found that the various wheel bases of tank cars make a huge difference in lettering cars. I remember once thinking that UTLX and ACF tank bodies were so close, they could be a start of something kit bashed. B ut those two builders had noticably different wheel bases. Because the tank body bands are located at the bolster area, wheel base will change the amount of room between the head cap and these bands, making proportions go astray.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Tuesday, August 13, 2019, 2:16:15 PM PDT, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:


I know much has been written about this so-called USRA tank car, but I have a question.  What was the gallonage of said USRA design?

The reason I ask is I am decaling said Tichy tank car to represent a Milwaukee Road water car, which apparently was built by ACF in 1923 (if I read the fuzzy scan right).  It is a 10,000 gallon ARA III with a barrel made from four longitudinal courses.  Which basically matches the Tichy car.  But when I started putting decals on it I noticed they don't quite fall where they should.  So yes, there are several variables here, but when I measured the actual model I found its body has a volume of about 9000 to 9200 gallons.  Can't say I've ever laid eyes on a tank car that size.

So is the Tichy tank about 10% undersized?  Or is it correct for the plans for the never-built USRA tank, which I always thought was a 10,000 gallon tank.

Oh, while said Milwaukee Road water car is a post-1960 paint job, it will occasionally be switched by an NW2....

Scott Chatfield
_._,_._,_

Tichy tank car

D. Scott Chatfield
 

I know much has been written about this so-called USRA tank car, but I have a question.  What was the gallonage of said USRA design?

The reason I ask is I am decaling said Tichy tank car to represent a Milwaukee Road water car, which apparently was built by ACF in 1923 (if I read the fuzzy scan right).  It is a 10,000 gallon ARA III with a barrel made from four longitudinal courses.  Which basically matches the Tichy car.  But when I started putting decals on it I noticed they don't quite fall where they should.  So yes, there are several variables here, but when I measured the actual model I found its body has a volume of about 9000 to 9200 gallons.  Can't say I've ever laid eyes on a tank car that size.

So is the Tichy tank about 10% undersized?  Or is it correct for the plans for the never-built USRA tank, which I always thought was a 10,000 gallon tank.

Oh, while said Milwaukee Road water car is a post-1960 paint job, it will occasionally be switched by an NW2....

Scott Chatfield

Re: PRR container DD1A color

Greg Martin
 

Lester,

If you are an oil based non-acrylic type paint modeler like me there are some more recent post Floquil era offerings.

  1. Mr. Hobby~Mr. Color #7 Brown. Great for the transition era molder post '45 until pre-'61. It is a bit darker and redder than Floquil Zinc Chromate. Excellent choice.
  2. TESTORS 1/4 oz bottles Flat Grapefruit. This is the traditional PRR FCC that most guy go goo-goo over. It is more representative of the Red Caboose color, not my favorite but an excellent choice. So post 1929 thru 1945 (or later if not repainted) 
  3. Best Stand By TESTORS Rust in the 1/4 oz bottles but the color needs tweaked while shadowing with my techniques. Great basic Freight car Red.  
Let's not look at a bottle and get a brain freeze ... Look at the color and use the force, Lester.

For you Acrylic guys, I can't help you as I hate the stuff.

Greg Martin 


Why Yes I have done some modeling...

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In a message dated 8/12/2019 7:22:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, rforailroad@... writes:

I am about to move a resin Funaro & Camerlengo container Flat Car kit 8120 to the paint shop.  The instructions for the car body state Scalecoat PRR Freight Red, a  red moving toward maroon, to my eyes when viewing paint chips.   I am guessing containers, DD1A, the same color.  Is this correct?

Lester Breuer

--
Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 

Re: SAL auto car, running board height, and slack adjuster?

Ed Hawkins
 



On Aug 13, 2019, at 1:07 PM, npin53 <npin53@...> wrote:

I am building one from the first group of double door cars. It says the roofs were sometimes sealed with black car cement. Would this have included the running boards?

Aaron,
All I have to go by are original paint specs. The AF-1 cars 11000-11699 eceived metallic brown for the entire car including doors, underframe & trucks. Stencils were white as these cars predated the use of the heart having a fire-plug red background.

Modeling a repainted car is another matter, and based on photos the roof and/or running boards could be either black or metallic brown. A photo of Seaboard 22081 with reweigh & repack stencils 5-51 clearly has a black roof, probably car cement. Photos I have of other repainted cars tend to show metallic brown roofs. Repaints after 1944 would have the fire-plug red background. 

A 6-52 repaint of B-7 19001 turtle-back roof box car also shows a black roof, so it’s my conjecture that Seaboard turtle-back roof box & auto cars received black roofs for a relatively short period around the early 1950s.

Wheres, the Seaboard Color Guide book shows 11248 with Silver Meteor slogan, likely repainted Jacksonville 7-59 with metallic brown roof. 

I defer to Seaboard modelers who might have railroad paint/stencil drawings that denote dated revisions when different paint colors were applied to the roofs of these cars and if the running boards received the same colors when repainted.

Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Re: SAL auto car, running board height, and slack adjuster?

npin53
 
Edited

Thank you Ed. This puts me back on course.

I have the RP Cyc article in front of me, and the Sunshine instructions. The instructions only show the reservoir, brake cylinder, and dirt collector in place, and no rods, levers, chains, ect.

I am building one from the first group of double door cars. It says the roofs were sometimes sealed with black car cement. Would this have included the running boards?

Aaron Gjermundson

Re: SAL auto car, running board height, and slack adjuster?

Ed Hawkins
 



On Aug 13, 2019, at 12:09 PM, npin53 <npin53@...> wrote:

I'm building a Sunshine kit#55, SAL round roof auto car. I am wondering if the cars used a slack adjuster. And also, what was the height to the running boards. I'm using Accurail trucks with .88 wheels and the flanges hit the cross ties. I'm going to use RCW scale coupler boxes too, so need a reference point.

Aaron Gjermundson 

Aaron,
Seaboard’s turtle-back roof auto cars measured 14’-6 1/2” from rail to top of the Apex (11000-11999) or Blaw-Knox (22000-22199) running boards, and they were not equipped with brake regulators.

In the event this matters for your models, the earliest AF-1 cars 11000-11699 built in 1940 had two 3” Z stringers between the bolsters (one each side of the center sill), whereas the AF-2 cars 11700-11999 & 22000-22199 built in 1942 had four 3” Z stringers between the bolsters (two each side). Pressed diagonal braces, 4 per car, supported the floor between the bolsters and end sills. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

SAL auto car, running board height, and slack adjuster?

npin53
 

I'm building a Sunshine kit#55, SAL round roof auto car. I am wondering if the cars used a slack adjuster. And also, what was the height to the running boards. I'm using Accurail trucks with .88 wheels and the flanges hit the cross ties. I'm going to use RCW scale coupler boxes too, so need a reference point.

Aaron Gjermundson 

TH&B USRA 40-ton DS Boxcar question

Bill Welch
 

I am well along on building a Westy kit of the above for the TH&B. I have good photos to guide me and from one I can tell these cars had an Ajax Brake Gear and Wheel but cannot tell if the brake step is wood or steel. Anyone here have notes on these cars that can help me please?

Thank you,
Bill Welch

Kids, Don't Try this at Home: UP Prototype...ATSF Paint & Lettering

Benjamin Hom