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Re: SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO BLINK

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

To add: I found that the research into what customers existed along my reach of RR was time more than well spent. When a photo like the attached then came along, I pretty much knew exactly what cars would go where, and what to build to populate my layout.

To point: string of empty gons - USSteel Duquesne Works Merchant Mills; PRR X53 Insulated Damage Free box cars - USSteel coils on pallets; C&O 50-foot double door - USSteel Irvin Works - auto body panels

...you get the idea

Elden Gatwood

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Soderblom
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 6:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO BLINK

Look, it’s your own, individual layout and scenario you are creating. There is no such thing as absolute fidelity to a “truth,” because that apparent truth involved lots and lots of variation. It’s all statistical, which is to say with lots and lots of variation. If you look, for example, at UP consists during WWII from the conductor’s notebooks, you’ll see rare and exceptional cars in the lists. Just the war? Somewhere (I wish I could identify the source), someone posted scanned notes from someone on Long Island in the 1950s of all the cars they saw there. That’s a pretty anomalous zone to record, given its relative remoteness, yet you’ll see cars from pretty much every road in the book (ORER).

Do it your way, and don’t apologize.



David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA
drs@stsci.edu <mailto:drs@stsci.edu>


Re: NWSL to continue business

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Dennis,
 
many thanks for these truly great news! I wish the new owner immediate success with his new business, and I will emphasize that wish by an order of several items in a couple of weeks! :-)
 
Wonderful news!
 
Greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. August 2019 um 03:27 Uhr
Von: "Dennis Storzek" <destorzek@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: [RealSTMFC] NWSL to continue business
This is good news.
 

NorthWest Short Line Press Release
For Immediate Release

NorthWest Short Line is pleased to announce that the entire line has been acquired by an NWSL employee, effective September 3rd, 2019. All existing back orders will be filled, and NWSL will be open to new orders as soon as the new websites are rolled out; the primary website nwsl.com will carry forward as the primary contact point. The line is expected to carry forward largely unchanged although the company will no longer offer phone support. NWSL will be headquartered in Kila, Montana, located near Kalispell, and the new address is PO Box 219, Kila, MT 59920. Email contact is through the website.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Paint Damage from Bubble Wrap

C J Wyatt
 

On Monday, August 19, 2019, 11:43:31 PM EDT, Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:


I have tried to buy the envelopes.  The clerk refused to take any money – “Naw, they’re free, man, jus’ take ‘em!”

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 11:10 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Damage from Bubble Wrap

 

One SHOULD buy them. After all, the Post Office is supposed to be self-sustaining, and losses mean postal rate increases, even if not an offense. 

Thanks!

Brian Ehni 

(Sent from my iPhone)


On Aug 18, 2019, at 12:57 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:

Free? only if you are using them to send something via Priority Mail or Express Mail. Otherwise you may be committing a Federal offense.

 

Jack Wyatt

 

On Sunday, August 18, 2019, 01:49:33 PM EDT, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

 

 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"And then there's TYVEK - lint free, pH neutral, tear resistant, water resistant,
won't mar or scratch or interact with paint. Only available in rolls from Uline
but a single roll is good for hundreds of freight car models."

 

There's a free supply of Tyvek at the Post Office in the form of the large Priority Mail and Express Mail envelopes.

 

 

Ben Hom


Re: Paint Damage from Bubble Wrap

 

When you send the package, they scan the bar code on the envelope or box to charge you. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Aug 19, 2019, at 10:43 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

I have tried to buy the envelopes.  The clerk refused to take any money – “Naw, they’re free, man, jus’ take ‘em!”

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 11:10 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Damage from Bubble Wrap

 

One SHOULD buy them. After all, the Post Office is supposed to be self-sustaining, and losses mean postal rate increases, even if not an offense. 

Thanks!

Brian Ehni 

(Sent from my iPhone)


On Aug 18, 2019, at 12:57 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:

Free? only if you are using them to send something via Priority Mail or Express Mail. Otherwise you may be committing a Federal offense.

 

Jack Wyatt

 

On Sunday, August 18, 2019, 01:49:33 PM EDT, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

 

 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"And then there's TYVEK - lint free, pH neutral, tear resistant, water resistant,
won't mar or scratch or interact with paint. Only available in rolls from Uline
but a single roll is good for hundreds of freight car models."

 

There's a free supply of Tyvek at the Post Office in the form of the large Priority Mail and Express Mail envelopes.

 

 

Ben Hom


Re: Paint Damage from Bubble Wrap

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I have tried to buy the envelopes.  The clerk refused to take any money – “Naw, they’re free, man, jus’ take ‘em!”

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 11:10 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Damage from Bubble Wrap

 

One SHOULD buy them. After all, the Post Office is supposed to be self-sustaining, and losses mean postal rate increases, even if not an offense. 

Thanks!

Brian Ehni 

(Sent from my iPhone)


On Aug 18, 2019, at 12:57 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:

Free? only if you are using them to send something via Priority Mail or Express Mail. Otherwise you may be committing a Federal offense.

 

Jack Wyatt

 

On Sunday, August 18, 2019, 01:49:33 PM EDT, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

 

 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"And then there's TYVEK - lint free, pH neutral, tear resistant, water resistant,
won't mar or scratch or interact with paint. Only available in rolls from Uline
but a single roll is good for hundreds of freight car models."

 

There's a free supply of Tyvek at the Post Office in the form of the large Priority Mail and Express Mail envelopes.

 

 

Ben Hom


Re: SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO BLINK

Tim O'Connor
 

Ed

That's a great photo! Is it one of the ACF cars built in 1952 (attached) or was it
from a different group?




On 8/19/2019 9:02 PM, spsalso via Groups.Io wrote:
Tim,

Yup, the WM car's a winner.

I'd REALLY like the containers done in GN.  And then there's the car (see attached).


Ed

Edward Sutorik

Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


NWSL to continue business

Dennis Storzek
 

This is good news.

NorthWest Short Line Press Release
For Immediate Release

NorthWest Short Line is pleased to announce that the entire line has been acquired by an NWSL employee, effective September 3rd, 2019. All existing back orders will be filled, and NWSL will be open to new orders as soon as the new websites are rolled out; the primary website nwsl.com will carry forward as the primary contact point. The line is expected to carry forward largely unchanged although the company will no longer offer phone support. NWSL will be headquartered in Kila, Montana, located near Kalispell, and the new address is PO Box 219, Kila, MT 59920. Email contact is through the website.

Dennis Storzek


Re: SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO BLINK

spsalso
 

Tim,

Yup, the WM car's a winner.

I'd REALLY like the containers done in GN.  And then there's the car (see attached).


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO BLINK

spsalso
 

Thus only ONE Schnabel flat at a time.

You've been warned!


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO BLINK

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

I look at it this way - if you model any important mainline railroad yard
as part of a layout, then a complete ABSENCE of oddball cars is just as odd
as a yard full of oddball cars.

And if you do have some oddballs, make sure they appear less often than the
more usual cars.

     Indeed. Or as Tim has phrased it in the past, any ONE of the oddball reporting marks ought to be quite rare, but the group of ALL oddballs is not small, so needs to be represented. But, of course, carefully . . .

Tony Thompson




Re: SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO BLINK

Tim O'Connor
 


I look at it this way - if you model any important mainline railroad yard
as part of a layout, then a complete ABSENCE of oddball cars is just as odd
as a yard full of oddball cars.

And if you do have some oddballs, make sure they appear less often than the
more usual cars.

"moderation is best in all things"

Tim


On 8/19/2019 6:56 PM, David Soderblom wrote:
Look, it’s your own, individual layout and scenario you are creating.  There is no such thing as absolute fidelity to a “truth,” because that apparent truth involved lots and lots of variation.  It’s all statistical, which is to say with lots and lots of variation.  If you look, for example, at UP consists during WWII from the conductor’s notebooks, you’ll see rare and exceptional cars in the lists.  Just the war?  Somewhere (I wish I could identify the source), someone posted scanned notes from someone on Long Island in the 1950s of all the cars they saw there.  That’s a pretty anomalous zone to record, given its relative remoteness, yet you’ll see cars from pretty much every road in the book (ORER).

Do it your way, and don’t apologize.


David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO BLINK

David Soderblom
 

Look, it’s your own, individual layout and scenario you are creating.  There is no such thing as absolute fidelity to a “truth,” because that apparent truth involved lots and lots of variation.  It’s all statistical, which is to say with lots and lots of variation.  If you look, for example, at UP consists during WWII from the conductor’s notebooks, you’ll see rare and exceptional cars in the lists.  Just the war?  Somewhere (I wish I could identify the source), someone posted scanned notes from someone on Long Island in the 1950s of all the cars they saw there.  That’s a pretty anomalous zone to record, given its relative remoteness, yet you’ll see cars from pretty much every road in the book (ORER).

Do it your way, and don’t apologize.



David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA






Re: SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO BLINK

Tim O'Connor
 

Ed

Cool!! I bought the TANGENT container gondola - now I just need Walthers to
rerun their excellent open top bulk containers :-)

Tim O'

On 8/19/2019 4:34 PM, spsalso via Groups.Io wrote:
Bruce mentioned that the containers in the PRR container car were "often used for cement" or "small batches of coke or lime".

From Scott Thompson's "Great Northern Equpment Color Pictorial, Book Two":

The GN used such containers (in gons) to haul ferro-chrome from Washington state to Detroit.

The GN also used them to haul ferro-silicon from Washington to "somewhere".  Considering that those GN cars were in a pool with Western Maryland container gons, one might expect the GN cars to show up way east.  And, of course, Western Maryland container gons in Washington.

I photographed one of the GN container gons in Oakland CA in 1976.  What its business was, I don't know.  Right next to the car was Judson Steel.  And right next to Judson Steel was a paint company, Sherwin-Williams, perhaps.  After 1960, of course.  But still getting around.


Ed

Edward Sutorik
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO BLINK

Benjamin Hom
 

Jon Miller wrote:
"And I can feel Ben quivering in his boots."

Quivering?  I could care less.  It's your fantasy.


Ben Hom


Re: Magor Car Co drawings

ed_mines
 

Larry, this car was offered as a kit by Qualitycraft and later Gloor.

I can USPS a photocopy (take a while to get it). Reply my e-mail ed_mines@....


Re: SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO BLINK

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 8/19/2019 12:13 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:
The comments following Lester Brewer’s post on his excellent container car got my attention.  When if finished the above car I felt that as a Southern Pacific modeler this car never saw SP trackage.

    If you look at my picture (green Red Ball kit), on the resin list, you will see that car in the right of the picture.  I think this deserves a very big grin or laugh.  And I can feel Ben quivering in his boots.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO BLINK

anthony wagner
 

In 1950 PRR had "only" 5623 G-22 gons plus another 258 in container service. For modeling purposes simply remove the containers and substitute a load of steel shapes or some sort of crated load. As has been said by others Pennsy's cars went everywhere. On 1-1-50 PRR owned a mere 208699 freight cars, nearly 10% of the entire US fleet. Tony Wagner

On Monday, August 19, 2019, 3:34:23 PM CDT, spsalso via Groups.Io <Edwardsutorik@...> wrote:


Bruce mentioned that the containers in the PRR container car were "often used for cement" or "small batches of coke or lime".

From Scott Thompson's "Great Northern Equpment Color Pictorial, Book Two":

The GN used such containers (in gons) to haul ferro-chrome from Washington state to Detroit.

The GN also used them to haul ferro-silicon from Washington to "somewhere".  Considering that those GN cars were in a pool with Western Maryland container gons, one might expect the GN cars to show up way east.  And, of course, Western Maryland container gons in Washington.

I photographed one of the GN container gons in Oakland CA in 1976.  What its business was, I don't know.  Right next to the car was Judson Steel.  And right next to Judson Steel was a paint company, Sherwin-Williams, perhaps.  After 1960, of course.  But still getting around.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO BLINK

spsalso
 

Bruce mentioned that the containers in the PRR container car were "often used for cement" or "small batches of coke or lime".

From Scott Thompson's "Great Northern Equpment Color Pictorial, Book Two":

The GN used such containers (in gons) to haul ferro-chrome from Washington state to Detroit.

The GN also used them to haul ferro-silicon from Washington to "somewhere".  Considering that those GN cars were in a pool with Western Maryland container gons, one might expect the GN cars to show up way east.  And, of course, Western Maryland container gons in Washington.

I photographed one of the GN container gons in Oakland CA in 1976.  What its business was, I don't know.  Right next to the car was Judson Steel.  And right next to Judson Steel was a paint company, Sherwin-Williams, perhaps.  After 1960, of course.  But still getting around.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO BLINK

Douglas Harding
 

Bill I had the same thoughts about the Broadway Limited PRR K7A stockcar, never thought needed one and have so far avoided buying one. Then I found a document showing one was loaded in S St Paul MN destined for a farmer on the M&StL in Minburn, Iowa, in 1945. That is close enough to my time frame to justify the occasional appearance. Despite what many think, stockcars did get off road. And yes a PRR would be an oddball, but it did happen occasionally. Plus the MSTL had a direct connection the PRR at Peoria, meaning it may have happened more than once.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 2:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO BLINK

 

 

The comments following Lester Brewer’s post on his excellent container car got my attention.  When if finished the above car I felt that as a Southern Pacific modeler this car never saw SP trackage.  My suspicions were reinforced by the comments that Lester’s cart probably never ventured off line.  I recently uncovered pbotos of a single DT&I hoopper cdar and a red, white and blue New Haven car in San Francisco gave credence to a couple of other (odd balls) on my roster.

 

Until somthing turns up on this I will just have to blink:

 

Bill Pardie


Re: SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO BLINK

Bruce Smith
 

Bill,

The examples that you site are all different from each other!

1) DT&I hopper. As has been stated here many, many times, it was possible for midwestern or even right coast road hoppers to make their way to the coast. This was typically not “unusual” but for that commodity, was “normal” in that a left coast customer needed a very specific mineral product in carload amounts. Most frequently we have been referred to metallurgical coal.

2) Red, white, and blue New Haven car. These “RB” cars could potentially be called to the left coast with a load of Maine potatoes. Alternatively, they could make their way to the left coast in the off season to be used for Washington State potatoes, or other cargoes in need of insulated service (or potentially even just as general service cars.)

3) PRR gondola with LCL containers. NOPE

4) Your photo, PRR gondola with MINERAL containers. Unlikely, but possible. One thing trends towards the unlikely, in that these containers were often used for cement, which was a “local” commodity. OTOH, they could be used for small batches of coke or lime, and therefore might be ordered up, much like the DT&I hopper above.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Aug 19, 2019, at 2:13 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:

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The comments following Lester Brewer’s post on his excellent container car got my attention.  When if finished the above car I felt that as a Southern Pacific modeler this car never saw SP trackage.  My suspicions were reinforced by the comments that Lester’s cart probably never ventured off line.  I recently uncovered pbotos of a single DT&I hoopper cdar and a red, white and blue New Haven car in San Francisco gave credence to a couple of other (odd balls) on my roster.

Until somthing turns up on this I will just have to blink:

Bill Pardie

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