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Tyvek was Paint Damage from Bubble Wrap

Bob Webber
 

Also available from Archival supply houses- Hollinger Corp. description:

TYVEK: Made from high-density polyethlene fibers, Tvek is a chemically inert sheet of spunbonded olefin (5.7 ml) that is strong, lightweight, flexible, resistant to water chemicals, abrasions and aging. It's (sic) low-linting surface makes it perfect for photographic materials. The opaque, smooth surface can be sewn into bags or wrapped around a wide variety of collectibles to protect them from ambient UV radiation and dust an open shelves or in awkward shelving situations.

Archival houses have many materials - including overwraps and bags made of inert plastics (as in the brass packaging). They can be pricey. We have to swallow the price for a large variety of materials, boxes, bags, folders, et al - as an archive you have to do things to preserve items you'd otherwise place in non-archival folders and such.



Bob Webber

Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

Curt Fortenberry
 


Have you tried Tamiya thin?  It's my go to cement anymore.  I have MEK as well. 

Curt Fortenberry

Re: [PassengerCarList] MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

Ray Breyer
 

On Tuesday, August 20, 2019, 08:55:30 AM CDT, Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...> wrote:


I am on the very edge of using up the last drops of my Tenax and Ambroid liquid plastic cements, and I was jolted this morning when my reliable ACE Hardware store informed me that they can no longer carry my otherwise usual MEK (and this is IOWA, not California). I do have some Testors  (2-3 years old), but at least the bottle that I have seems to take forever or…. not at all to set up.

ACE does carry MEK Substitute (clearly so identified), but I have no idea what it is or what it might be, and I am loathe to buy a quart of something that may not at all work.  What are other listers’ experiences these days?

Excuse the cross-listing.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Okoboji, IA



Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

Gene Deimling
 

I have been using Tamiya Extra Thin Cement with excellent results. It is widely available in the US even in California. It works on styrene but not ABS.
Gene Deimling

Re: SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO BLINK

spsalso
 

Tim (and all),

Re:  that modified rib.  I am attaching a photo to show the difference between it and a "regular" rib.  I do not have a good side shot of the rib.  I think the photos in Thompson's book would be adequate.

Ed

Edward Sutorik

Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

Drew M.
 

Hi Denny,
   I have used the Ace MEK substitute. It works just as well as MEK but evaporates just a bit slower. Any joint made is just as strong. The only difference I noticed is the smell - MEK substitute is a bit more of a bitter smell.

Regards,
Drew Marshall in Philly, PA

Modeling the pre-Depression years.

Sent from TypeApp

On Aug 20, 2019, at 09:55, Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...> wrote:
I am on the very edge of using up the last drops of my Tenax and Ambroid liquid plastic cements, and I was jolted this morning when my reliable ACE Hardware store informed me that they can no longer carry my otherwise usual MEK (and this is IOWA, not California). I do have some Testors  (2-3 years old), but at least the bottle that I have seems to take forever or…. not at all to set up. 

ACE does carry MEK Substitute (clearly so identified), but I have no idea what it is or what it might be, and I am loathe to buy a quart of something that may not at all work. What are other listers’ experiences these days?

Excuse the cross-listing.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Okoboji, IA




Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

Matt Goodman
 

There was some discussion about MEK and methylene chloride replacements (as well as other sources for the latter) on the MRH site a few months back. Like all threads, it wanders a bit, but the proponent’s descriptions for the replacements is on this page:


I haven’t used either replacement, so can’t personally comment. 

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio

Sent from my mobile

On Aug 20, 2019, at 11:07 AM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

I bought a quart of MEK at Menards about two years ago, but I haven't look for it since as a quart goes a long way. Tenax is methylene chloride, and I found an online chemical supply company that will sell 500 ml bottles of methylene chloride.

https://www.carolina.com/catalog/detail.jsp?prodId=875970&s_cid=ppc_ms_products&scid=scbplp875970&sc_intid=875970&msclkid=4278d12ae0331a02f9698c76e90512b2&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=SC%20Shopping&utm_term=4577541784564665&utm_content=All%20Products

The web site suggests ethyl acetate as a green substitute, but I have no experience with ethyl acetate as a styrene cement. You might also look for MEK at a full service paint store.

Nelson Moyer
Iowa City, IA

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Denny Anspach
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 8:55 AM
To: RealSteamEraFreightCarList <RealSTMFC@groups.io>; Passenger Car List <passengercarlist@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

I am on the very edge of using up the last drops of my Tenax and Ambroid liquid plastic cements, and I was jolted this morning when my reliable ACE Hardware store informed me that they can no longer carry my otherwise usual MEK (and this is IOWA, not California). I do have some Testors  (2-3 years old), but at least the bottle that I have seems to take forever or…. not at all to set up.

ACE does carry MEK Substitute (clearly so identified), but I have no idea what it is or what it might be, and I am loathe to buy a quart of something that may not at all work.  What are other listers’ experiences these days?

Excuse the cross-listing.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Okoboji, IA







Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

Jon Miller
 

On 8/20/2019 7:01 AM, Pierre Oliver wrote:
MEK is used by the pint for plexiglas joinery 

    I've never had any luck using MEK to join Plexiglas.  I use a acrylics cement from TAP plastic.  The can says Dichloromethane contains;

Methylene chloride
Trichloroethylene
Methyl Methacrylate Monomer

    Anyone know a chemist?:-D


-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

Ted Schnepf
 

Hi Denny,

Scale Coat , the paint people have produced a new solvent that works like Tenax or the old pro weld.  Same size bottle.  Check out a local hobby shop, or Scale Coat directly, as can no longer send through the mail.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353


On Tuesday, August 20, 2019, 08:55:29 AM CDT, Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...> wrote:


I am on the very edge of using up the last drops of my Tenax and Ambroid liquid plastic cements, and I was jolted this morning when my reliable ACE Hardware store informed me that they can no longer carry my otherwise usual MEK (and this is IOWA, not California). I do have some Testors  (2-3 years old), but at least the bottle that I have seems to take forever or…. not at all to set up.

ACE does carry MEK Substitute (clearly so identified), but I have no idea what it is or what it might be, and I am loathe to buy a quart of something that may not at all work.  What are other listers’ experiences these days?

Excuse the cross-listing.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Okoboji, IA


Re: SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO BLINK

spsalso
 

Tim,

The answer to your question is:  "Yes" and "No".

There are three number series of interest:  GN 72500-72749, GN 72750-72770, and GN 72771-72773.

The latter two were made up of cars pulled from the former, and were the ones used in container service.  So that's a qualified "Yes".

The "No" comes up because, first, the cars apparently got roller bearings fairly quickly after conversion.  Also, all the pictures of these cars in Thompson's book show additional reinforced ribs on the car side (2 per side) (see my photo).  He shows three shots of the container cars with the reinforcements.  But he also shows one shot of a car in the "regular" series with the reinforcements.  As you know, Sunshine did these cars.  It would appear doable to add the reinforcing ribs.  I don't think Sunshine offered this version, though I could be wrong.

I am attaching two overhead views of the car and the containers.  From the pictures, I don't see that there was any modification to the inside of the car for the containers.


Ed

Edward Sutorik

Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

Nelson Moyer
 

I bought a quart of MEK at Menards about two years ago, but I haven't look for it since as a quart goes a long way. Tenax is methylene chloride, and I found an online chemical supply company that will sell 500 ml bottles of methylene chloride.

https://www.carolina.com/catalog/detail.jsp?prodId=875970&s_cid=ppc_ms_products&scid=scbplp875970&sc_intid=875970&msclkid=4278d12ae0331a02f9698c76e90512b2&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=SC%20Shopping&utm_term=4577541784564665&utm_content=All%20Products

The web site suggests ethyl acetate as a green substitute, but I have no experience with ethyl acetate as a styrene cement. You might also look for MEK at a full service paint store.

Nelson Moyer
Iowa City, IA

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Denny Anspach
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 8:55 AM
To: RealSteamEraFreightCarList <RealSTMFC@groups.io>; Passenger Car List <passengercarlist@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

I am on the very edge of using up the last drops of my Tenax and Ambroid liquid plastic cements, and I was jolted this morning when my reliable ACE Hardware store informed me that they can no longer carry my otherwise usual MEK (and this is IOWA, not California). I do have some Testors (2-3 years old), but at least the bottle that I have seems to take forever or…. not at all to set up.

ACE does carry MEK Substitute (clearly so identified), but I have no idea what it is or what it might be, and I am loathe to buy a quart of something that may not at all work. What are other listers’ experiences these days?

Excuse the cross-listing.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Okoboji, IA

Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

Jon Miller
 

On 8/20/2019 6:55 AM, Denny Anspach wrote:
ACE does carry MEK Substitute (clearly so identified), but I have no idea what it is or what it might be

    It does not work.  They had some (long time ago) in my local HD (CA) and I bought a small amount.  It runs off styrene like water.  I emailed the manufacture about that.  I notice HD does not carry the substitute anymore.

    It was so different I suspect they got a lot of complaints as it was not a substitute.

    Best bet get some from another state or go to a paint shop that may carry it.  I would consider ACE to be the same as a big box store (i.e. HD).

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

Pierre Oliver
 

Contact your local plastics supplier
MEK is used by the pint for plexiglas joinery
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

On Aug 20, 2019, at 9:55 AM, Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...> wrote:

I am on the very edge of using up the last drops of my Tenax and Ambroid liquid plastic cements, and I was jolted this morning when my reliable ACE Hardware store informed me that they can no longer carry my otherwise usual MEK (and this is IOWA, not California). I do have some Testors (2-3 years old), but at least the bottle that I have seems to take forever or…. not at all to set up.

ACE does carry MEK Substitute (clearly so identified), but I have no idea what it is or what it might be, and I am loathe to buy a quart of something that may not at all work. What are other listers’ experiences these days?

Excuse the cross-listing.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Okoboji, IA



MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

Denny Anspach
 

I am on the very edge of using up the last drops of my Tenax and Ambroid liquid plastic cements, and I was jolted this morning when my reliable ACE Hardware store informed me that they can no longer carry my otherwise usual MEK (and this is IOWA, not California). I do have some Testors (2-3 years old), but at least the bottle that I have seems to take forever or…. not at all to set up.

ACE does carry MEK Substitute (clearly so identified), but I have no idea what it is or what it might be, and I am loathe to buy a quart of something that may not at all work. What are other listers’ experiences these days?

Excuse the cross-listing.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Okoboji, IA

Re: SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO BLINK

Staffan Ehnbom
 

Yes, it is one of 24 of the GN ACF cars 72500-72749 equipped with containers in 1955 and renumbered 72750-72773.

Staffan Ehnbom

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 4:01 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Ed

That's a great photo! Is it one of the ACF cars built in 1952 (attached) or was it
from a different group?




On 8/19/2019 9:02 PM, spsalso via Groups.Io wrote:

Tim,

Yup, the WM car's a winner.

I'd REALLY like the containers done in GN.  And then there's the car (see attached).


Ed

Edward Sutorik

Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO BLINK

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi everyone,

With respect to the photo that Elden referenced in his email, I'm impressed by how clean the empty gondola interiors are. No junk, no dunnage, no crud.

Claus Schlund

-----Original Message-----
From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 8:27 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO BLINK

To add: I found that the research into what customers existed along my reach of RR was time more than well spent. When a photo like the attached then came along, I pretty much knew exactly what cars would go where, and what to build to populate my layout.

To point: string of empty gons - USSteel Duquesne Works Merchant Mills; PRR X53 Insulated Damage Free box cars - USSteel coils on pallets; C&O 50-foot double door - USSteel Irvin Works - auto body panels

...you get the idea

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Soderblom
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 6:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO BLINK

Look, it’s your own, individual layout and scenario you are creating. There is no such thing as absolute fidelity to a “truth,” because that apparent truth involved lots and lots of variation. It’s all statistical, which is to say with lots and lots of variation. If you look, for example, at UP consists during WWII from the conductor’s notebooks, you’ll see rare and exceptional cars in the lists. Just the war? Somewhere (I wish I could identify the source), someone posted scanned notes from someone on Long Island in the 1950s of all the cars they saw there. That’s a pretty anomalous zone to record, given its relative remoteness, yet you’ll see cars from pretty much every road in the book (ORER).

Do it your way, and don’t apologize.



David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA
drs@... <mailto:drs@...>

Re: SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO BLINK

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

To add: I found that the research into what customers existed along my reach of RR was time more than well spent. When a photo like the attached then came along, I pretty much knew exactly what cars would go where, and what to build to populate my layout.

To point: string of empty gons - USSteel Duquesne Works Merchant Mills; PRR X53 Insulated Damage Free box cars - USSteel coils on pallets; C&O 50-foot double door - USSteel Irvin Works - auto body panels

...you get the idea

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Soderblom
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 6:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO BLINK

Look, it’s your own, individual layout and scenario you are creating. There is no such thing as absolute fidelity to a “truth,” because that apparent truth involved lots and lots of variation. It’s all statistical, which is to say with lots and lots of variation. If you look, for example, at UP consists during WWII from the conductor’s notebooks, you’ll see rare and exceptional cars in the lists. Just the war? Somewhere (I wish I could identify the source), someone posted scanned notes from someone on Long Island in the 1950s of all the cars they saw there. That’s a pretty anomalous zone to record, given its relative remoteness, yet you’ll see cars from pretty much every road in the book (ORER).

Do it your way, and don’t apologize.



David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA
drs@... <mailto:drs@...>

Re: NWSL to continue business

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Dennis,
 
many thanks for these truly great news! I wish the new owner immediate success with his new business, and I will emphasize that wish by an order of several items in a couple of weeks! :-)
 
Wonderful news!
 
Greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. August 2019 um 03:27 Uhr
Von: "Dennis Storzek" <destorzek@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: [RealSTMFC] NWSL to continue business
This is good news.
 

NorthWest Short Line Press Release
For Immediate Release

NorthWest Short Line is pleased to announce that the entire line has been acquired by an NWSL employee, effective September 3rd, 2019. All existing back orders will be filled, and NWSL will be open to new orders as soon as the new websites are rolled out; the primary website nwsl.com will carry forward as the primary contact point. The line is expected to carry forward largely unchanged although the company will no longer offer phone support. NWSL will be headquartered in Kila, Montana, located near Kalispell, and the new address is PO Box 219, Kila, MT 59920. Email contact is through the website.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Paint Damage from Bubble Wrap

C J Wyatt
 

On Monday, August 19, 2019, 11:43:31 PM EDT, Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:


I have tried to buy the envelopes.  The clerk refused to take any money – “Naw, they’re free, man, jus’ take ‘em!”

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 11:10 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Damage from Bubble Wrap

 

One SHOULD buy them. After all, the Post Office is supposed to be self-sustaining, and losses mean postal rate increases, even if not an offense. 

Thanks!

Brian Ehni 

(Sent from my iPhone)


On Aug 18, 2019, at 12:57 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:

Free? only if you are using them to send something via Priority Mail or Express Mail. Otherwise you may be committing a Federal offense.

 

Jack Wyatt

 

On Sunday, August 18, 2019, 01:49:33 PM EDT, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

 

 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"And then there's TYVEK - lint free, pH neutral, tear resistant, water resistant,
won't mar or scratch or interact with paint. Only available in rolls from Uline
but a single roll is good for hundreds of freight car models."

 

There's a free supply of Tyvek at the Post Office in the form of the large Priority Mail and Express Mail envelopes.

 

 

Ben Hom

Re: Paint Damage from Bubble Wrap

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

When you send the package, they scan the bar code on the envelope or box to charge you. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Aug 19, 2019, at 10:43 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

I have tried to buy the envelopes.  The clerk refused to take any money – “Naw, they’re free, man, jus’ take ‘em!”

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 11:10 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Damage from Bubble Wrap

 

One SHOULD buy them. After all, the Post Office is supposed to be self-sustaining, and losses mean postal rate increases, even if not an offense. 

Thanks!

Brian Ehni 

(Sent from my iPhone)


On Aug 18, 2019, at 12:57 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:

Free? only if you are using them to send something via Priority Mail or Express Mail. Otherwise you may be committing a Federal offense.

 

Jack Wyatt

 

On Sunday, August 18, 2019, 01:49:33 PM EDT, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

 

 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"And then there's TYVEK - lint free, pH neutral, tear resistant, water resistant,
won't mar or scratch or interact with paint. Only available in rolls from Uline
but a single roll is good for hundreds of freight car models."

 

There's a free supply of Tyvek at the Post Office in the form of the large Priority Mail and Express Mail envelopes.

 

 

Ben Hom