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Re: Video: Forgotten Chicago
who says time travel is not possible? open platform commuter cars behind steam - them were the days!
On 8/22/2019 1:21 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Video: Forgotten Chicago
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Friends,
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This is obviously shot along the CB&Q, as most of the equipment is theirs (I did note a PRR round-roof boxcar). The buildings seem vaguely familiar from my trips on Amtrak into or out of Union Station--some I think some of the structures still standing, though nearly all are empty. Yours Aye, Garth Groff
On 8/22/2019 1:25 PM, Scott wrote:
Cool video, so many neat modeling ideas in there.
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Re: what to do with all those leftover freight car trucks?
Dennis Storzek
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 08:38 AM, Daniel A. Mitchell wrote:
The bronze bearings have to be seated in the journal boxes … it is unlikely that the raw castings would be suitable without some clean-up. Possibly the spring pads and bolster slots would also need some work. Was such done at the foundry, or at the RR shop?The bearings seat against a loose piece in the box called the journal bearing wedge. These may well be machined, but only fit against locating bosses in the box. Dennis Storzek
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Re: what to do with all those leftover freight car trucks?
Dennis Storzek
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 08:08 AM, Richard Wilkens wrote:
The only area I think that would be "machined" would be the holes for the journal box covers, but this would be more drilling.Those are rather large diameter and require little precision. I suspect they are cored in the casting. Dennis Storzek
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Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements
MEK is part a long list of things we are not able to use such as straws. It is only a matter of time before Tru-Color paints will declared illegal.
Gene Deimling
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Re: Video: Forgotten Chicago
Scott
Cool video, so many neat modeling ideas in there.
Scott McDonald
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Re: Video: Forgotten Chicago
I do not belong to FB, but I could see it as this appears to
be a public site. Some good Burlington and HW Pullmans as well, pass by
quickly.
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 11:44 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Video: Forgotten Chicago Forgotten Chicago For those of you who have Facebook (Yes, I hear your groans of disapproval) here is a short film shot from a train passing through Chicago's rail yards and industrial areas in the 1940s: https://www.facebook.com/Charingx/videos/10155451305567465/ Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements
Tony Thompson
Paul Woods wrote: You are quite correct, Jon - neither Toluene nor MEK are regarded as being carcinogenic (except in California, where apparently EVERYTHING is) . . . Please stop these uninformed and foolish remarks. The issues with a number of solvents in California are about air pollution, not cancer per se. California's Proposition 65 does require "cancer danger" notices for a great many substances (all of which, incidentally, ARE proven carcinogens), but that's a different story. Tony Thompson Berkeley, CA
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Re: Video: Forgotten Chicago
Jon Miller
On 8/22/2019 9:43 AM, Bob Chaparro
via Groups.Io wrote:
Forgotten Chicago Interesting in the amount of old/older cars
one see's in the video. Too bad it couldn't be slowed down or
maybe it's just my old eyes. -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, SPROG, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Video: Forgotten Chicago
Forgotten Chicago For those of you who have Facebook (Yes, I hear your groans of disapproval) here is a short film shot from a train passing through Chicago's rail yards and industrial areas in the 1940s: https://www.facebook.com/Charingx/videos/10155451305567465/ Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: what to do with all those leftover freight car trucks?
The bronze bearings have to be seated in the journal boxes … it is unlikely that the raw castings would be suitable without some clean-up. Possibly the spring pads and bolster slots would also need some work. Was such done at the foundry, or at the RR shop?
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Re: [PassengerCarList] Pullman & A/C
As more than an interested bystander I want to say how useful I think that
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these "work in process" web pages are chock full of good information. This is not a flashy web site, but rather a raw data glimpse at the work that Bob and the team at the Pullman Library are doing with the mountain of data available to us. The collection of drawings, specifications, etc. is truly remarkable. We are there on Wednesdays for volunteer work, but you can contact us anytime by email inquiry. See http://www.pullmanlibrary.org/pullcon.htm Steve Hile
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From: PassengerCarList@groups.io [mailto:PassengerCarList@groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Webber Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 1:57 PM To: PassengerCarList-groups.io Subject: [PassengerCarList] Pullman & A/C First an update - if you go to: http://www.pullmanlibrary.org/Research.htm and scroll to the middle (after the outline) ; there is a new link to "am ore complete outline" - this will be a work in progress - some companies are missing (like BC&F). A/C. I am in the midst of scanning the A/C Lot Drawing Lists - that we have (that is, P-S Lots & Drawing Lists). There are 30-40 of them. Some are for Pullman Co. cars, some are for individual railroad's cars. Those Pullman Co. cars are cars specifically assigned specific railroads. Through the ears, we have received a lot of (A/C - related) requests - most of which we simply can't fulfill. It is important to note the differences between cars modified at Pullman Co. shops (i.e. Buffalo, Calumet, Wilmington (and railroad shops such as Topeka)) and those modified by P-S shops (i.e. PCW, Worcester, etc.). The differences are many, but for this note, the main ones involve documentation. The documentation for the Pullman Co. cars - if it exists is at the Newberry (check M.O. J.O., C.O. registers & lists). The documentation for the P-S mods are, for the most part, at the Pullman Library. These drawing lists tell us a great deal - they typically give us the before & after Plan and the changes thereto. One drawing that I tend to scan whenever I see it is a " Equipment Changes" drawing that references the "Old Equipment Drawing" . This new drawing has only appliances and other parts that were moved, replaced and/or added when a given car was modified. *NOT* usually found: Names and/or numbers! They say how many cars are from one (old) Lot and how many from others. I usually have them, but it is frustrating not to see them in these Lists. And remember - these are only railroad or assigned to specific railroad cars - completed in P-S shops. So UP diners, coaches and obs. Yes. Standard 3410, no. 3410 assigned C&O - yes. SBD deniers Yes. C&O coaches, yes. Pullmans assigned to the LV and Erie? yes. Santa Fe assigned cars, no. MILW cars? No. Some other changes - from here: http://www.pullmanlibrary.org/ the collections information has changed (and is being updated) And...some wording must be modified - I've started to get hate mail from both - well, all - sides of a certain political battle - seems that when the topic on the top of the page is entered, other things are expected. reminds me of 15-20 years ago when I started searching for certain large scale equipment and went down many strange rabbit holes...LGB meant something entirely different to me.... Bob Webber
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Re: what to do with all those leftover freight car trucks?
Richard Wilkens
The only area I think that would be "machined" would be the holes for the journal box covers, but this would be more drilling.
Rich Wilkens
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Re: what to do with all those leftover freight car trucks?
al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
Do we have the source of this image to get a better copy? Al Kresse
On August 22, 2019 at 10:04 AM Matt Smith <flyn96@...> wrote:
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Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements
Matt Smith
I was at my local Home Depot in Bloomington, IL and they had all the MEK on clearance and had MEK substitute fully stocked. I bought 3 quarts at $6 a piece, should last me til retirement. MEK may not be "banned" but it does appear it is on its way out. Keep your eyes out if it goes on clearance!
-- Matt Smith Bloomington, IL
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Re: what to do with all those leftover freight car trucks?
Matt Smith
Here are the YSD in gondola, I'm sorry I don't recall the source of the photo.
-- Matt Smith Bloomington, IL
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Re: what to do with all those leftover freight car trucks?
Rick Jesionowski
Question, how were the doors shipped from YSD , on flatcars? gon? boxcar? it would make an interesting load if in an open top car. Rick Jesionowski
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Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements
Paul Woods <paul@...>
You are quite correct, Jon - neither Toluene nor MEK are regarded as being carcinogenic (except in California, where apparently EVERYTHING is) and the effects on the nervous system are reversible to a certain extent, unless exposure is very high & prolonged. I think the quantities that we use building a typical model are of no concern at all if we are exercising common sense with respect to ventilation.
Regards Paul W. Whangarei, NZ NYCSHS #7172
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Re: what to do with all those leftover freight car trucks?
David Jobe, Sr.
AFAIK, ASF had no foundries in Chicago only the corporate office, at least
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by1973 after this list. Side frames and bolsters would have come from East St. Louis, Illinois until it was closed in 1959, Granite City, Illinois or Alliance, Ohio. Springs most likely came from Hammond, Indiana which also produced some forgings. Indiana Harbor, Indiana supplied smaller castings like couplers. There were three or four other works including Sharon, Pennsylvania, but I don't have my references readily available. Their foundry mark was an octagon circumscribing the letter for the works. Octagon E, G, A, H, I, etc. The only "machining" I recall, for certain, was grinding of various parting lines or vent risers. Hope That Helps, David Jobe, Sr. Saint Ann, Missouri ASF - Granite City Works 1973-1976 ASF - Hammond Works 1976-1977
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Webber Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 4:42 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] what to do with all those leftover freight car trucks? Bettendorf s/b Iowa in Quad Cities. ASF, Chicago. BTW, we have maps of the H&B shops along with building drawings - and the BoM can be figured from drawings (be a bit of time, but you can do it). We have some (earlier) H&B BoMs and Drawing List, but not later - although....depending on era, if it were actually *IN* the P-S era, then looking at the contract and correspondence files would reveal all of that - and perhaps the Maps (Ed may chime in there). http://www.pullmanlibrary.org/IndexCollection.htm http://www.pullmanlibrary.org/Research.htm And...remember, after 1924, this was never a "Pullman Plant". The plant was then a Pullman Car and Manufacturing Corp. (The Pullman Co. was the operating subsidiary of Pullman Incorporated), then in 1934, P-S was born, in 1947, The Pullman Co. was divested from Pullman Inc. (and sold to a consortium of railroads) - in any case, after 1934 (for certain) there were *NO* "Pullman" freight cars. At 03:53 PM 8/21/2019, Seth Lakin via Groups.Io wrote: Now the question is where was ASF's and/or Bettendorf's foundryBob Webber
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Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements
Jon Miller
On 8/21/2019 4:12 PM, Paul Woods
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Next try was a lacquer thinner made by an Australian company 'Digger's', and Hooo-lyyyy smokes! Does that stuff ever work well! Upon consulting the materials safety data sheet, turns out it is mostly toluene (65%) with a generous dash of MEK (25%) and a bit of naphtha....so not only does it work really well but it will make you very, very ill - not regarded as strongly carcinogenic What's really strange is that MEK is not as
bad as any of these replacement chemicals but it's the one we
can't easily get. Stupid if you ask me but them no one did.:-D -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, SPROG, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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