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Re: [PassengerCarList] Video: Forgotten Chicago

Steve and Barb Hile
 

There were interesting freight cars in the video, too, along with wonderful
buildings etc.

Steve Hile

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Sorry for the cross-post; I didn't notice that Denny had included the STMFC
in one email.
Sorry for the unintentional non-freight car content!
Charlie Vlk


Re: [PassengerCarList] Video: Forgotten Chicago

Charlie Vlk
 

Group-
Sorry for the cross-post; I didn't notice that Denny had included the STMFC
in one email.
Sorry for the unintentional non-freight car content!
Charlie Vlk


Re: [PassengerCarList] Video: Forgotten Chicago

Charlie Vlk
 

The CB&Q open-platform cars Denny mentions have an interesting history.
Some of the cars seen are actually stretched wood cars (the cars with the
longer wheelbase trucks) that had been steel sheathed in 1926.
As the conversion program got underway an official asked to look at the
costs associated with the project and determined that applying new steel
underframe/platforms and rebuilding worn-out wood bodies to fit was not
economical and ordered the program shut down. The Bettendorf steel
underframes on hand were instead applied to brand new steel bodies and new
trucks.
The open platforms were retained until the all steel cars in the commuter
fleet were upgraded with closed vestibules, remodeled interiors and air
conditioning. This was in conjunction with the arrival of the Budd
stainless steel gallery bilevel cars in 1949-50 which also included building
power cars for train lighting and air conditioning on the heavyweight cars.
The gallery cars had Waukesha propane A/C. The steel sheathed cars went
into work train service and lasted through the 1960s.
Charlie Vlk


Re: Video: Forgotten Chicago

Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...>
 

This is a great video, camera facing steadily west, apparently taken c. 1946-48 from either a PRR or (pre-GM&O) Alton passenger train about to arrive at Chicago Union Station. The string of FOM-liveried PRR cars is on the south leg of the wye formed by the Burlington main line arriving from the west teeing against the north/south PRR/Alton lines that will entering the station together. This handy-dandy wye (using the Burlington main line) was AFIK used by all railroads at CUS (save the Milwaukee) to turn their trains and still is by Amtrak.

In a relatively recent year, I was on board and actually at the helm of a Lake Michigan-bound yacht, the height of which required the very bridge across the Chicago River depicted in the video to be raised for clearance to pass under. I cringed when I noted that we had stabbed the outbound Amtrak Lake Shore Limited in the process! (the train crew on the ground was on the ground watching us pass by).

The steel open platform Burlington cars (replete with hard turnover rattan seats) were THE standard commute cars on the Aurora commute lines. I spent a childhood lifetime on these cars, freezing in the winter, and roasting in the summer, ashes and the occasional spark from the antique CB&Q 4-6-2s ahead wafting in through the open windows leaving one commonly filthy when stepping off in CUS. The old tea kettles could really get up and move on this superb trackwork when allowed to do so.

These cars were then rebuilt soon after the war by the Burlington with closed vestibules and some sort of crude cooling, as a recall, (to be then be themselves then replaced the beautiful and iconic Budd double deckers about 1952 onwards.

One of the most odd, and most sad memories I have was an eastbound mid-day Chicago-bound commute local (with an RPO and baggage being worked) trailed by several open platform coaches stopping patiently at the Riverside, IL depot c. 1949, the motive power a recently demoted still handsome and shiny shovel-nosed EMD/Budd Zephyr locomotive nosed right up to the Riverside Road village grade crossing. How the mighty had fallen, and how fortuitous it was that the weather required no train heat (these locomotives had NO steam generators for train heat). In the background out of sight somewhere was a recently sadly-retired 4-6-2 itself now indirectly replaced by a brand new E-7.

This has brought up a lot of good memories.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Okoboji, IA


Upgrading an Accurail Fowler boxcar

Eric Hansmann
 

Manny Jacob shares his techniques to upgrade an Accurail Fowler boxcar kit in the latest DesignBuildOp blog post.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2019/08/23/detailing-an-accurail-fowler-boxcar/



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: Wabash Box Car Trucks - Color

Ed Hawkins
 



On Aug 22, 2019, at 9:50 AM, golden1014 via Groups.Io <golden1014@...> wrote:

I'm finishing up a model of a late-40s Wabash single-sheathed auto box car.  What color should the trucks be?  Black, or the carbody color?

John,
If new Wabash box cars built in 1948 by ACF were indicative of repainted box cars of the period, then the truck side frames should be #10 Wabash Red. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

Tony Thompson
 

Ha, ha.
Tony


On Aug 22, 2019, at 5:55 PM, Paul Woods <paul@...> wrote:

I apologise, Tony - I forgot to include a smiley face in my previous post so that it would be obvious that I was speaking tongue-in-cheek.

Regards
Paul


Wabash Box Car Trucks - Color

golden1014
 

Gents,

I'm finishing up a model of a late-40s Wabash single-sheathed auto box car. What color should the trucks be? Black, or the carbody color?

Thanks,

John Golden
Albersbach, Germany

RPM Blog: https://railroadprototypemodeler.wordpress.com/


Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

Greg Martin
 

Denny,

Have you tried a paint store Like Sherwin-Williams. I will bet you will find it there.

Greg Martin


Why Yes I have done some modeling...

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In a message dated 8/20/2019 6:55:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, danspachmd@... writes:

I am on the very edge of using up the last drops of my Tenax and Ambroid liquid plastic cements, and I was jolted this morning when my reliable ACE Hardware store informed me that they can no longer carry my otherwise usual MEK (and this is IOWA, not California). I do have some Testors  (2-3 years old), but at least the bottle that I have seems to take forever or…. not at all to set up.

ACE does carry MEK Substitute (clearly so identified), but I have no idea what it is or what it might be, and I am loathe to buy a quart of something that may not at all work.  What are other listers’ experiences these days?

Excuse the cross-listing.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Okoboji, IA



--
Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 


Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

Nelson Moyer
 

For anyone stocking up on MEK, don’t leave it in the can you bought it in or it will evaporate long before you can use it all. I refilled my working bottle today, and the quart can was two thirds empty, and I had only used about three ounces since I bought it. I transferred the rest to glass bottles with tight fitting caps.

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

Paul Woods <paul@...>
 

I apologise, Tony - I forgot to include a smiley face in my previous post so that it would be obvious that I was speaking tongue-in-cheek.

Regards
Paul


Re: Magor Car Co drawings

lrkdbn
 

Thank you for the offer. I already have that kit
Larry King


Re: Video: Forgotten Chicago

Eric Lombard
 

 Thanks for your phone detective work, Jim! I spotted some structural landmarks that are still in place today, their 1940’s, function long gone. The area at 22nd (Cermack Rd) as the track goes north to Union Station just before the crossing of the Chicago River looks pretty much the same. I believe Amtrak takes those rails now.

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 2:18 PM np328 <jcdworkingonthenp@...> wrote:
  Though I DID groan at the mention of Facebook,  however I like Chicago history and so looked at the link to the video which did open.


  Some Googling of the names on the warehouses and buildings gave the following data: 
The train appears to be on the Pennsylvania Railroad 

Opening - Building in background at 00:7 seconds is Cuneo Press, https://www.rpwrhs.org/w/index.php?title=Cuneo_Press   lists this at 22nd and Clinton near the Chicago river, so that is about where the video starts     https://www.flickr.com/photos/86125374@N00/2828020279    read comments on the link. 

At 31 seconds it looks like the photographer is between Cermak Road and the South Branch of the Chicago River. (21st Street?)  Google Maps lists this as PRR Bridge 463. 
Did you see the AT&SF Grand Canyon Line paint on the bridge?  As we cross the river that could be Canal street bridge opened. 


At 1:14 it appears that this is the CB&Q line from the west coming on. Note the two nicely ballasted tracks under the signal bridge.  How different it is today. 


At 1:28 into the video Crooks Warehouse, more here https://www.flickr.com/photos/52209513@N03/33910105995     and here   http://industrialscenery.blogspot.com/2017/03/bnsfcb-chicago-commuter-train-yard.html    Read the comment on second photo down by Bryan Howell , however the overriding gist is that we are looking at the Zephyr pit area by this time into video. 
Crooks Warehouse Terminal was listed as 14th Place which would put it, just north of the Q & PRR lines merging. 
Wish more of the Q engine facilities were visible at about 1:32 to 1:40, looking above the cars finds some notable markers. 

The presence of Pennsy cars is found by this link when Googling Crooks Warehouse Chicago  https://explore.chicagocollections.org/image/uic/59/0p0ww5w/

Where the video ends?  Not sure if that is the fabled Roosevelt Road overpass at the end. 
                                                                                                                                                                                                             Jim Dick            St Paul, MN 


Re: Video: Forgotten Chicago

Eric Lombard
 



On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 2:18 PM np328 <jcdworkingonthenp@...> wrote:
  Though I DID groan at the mention of Facebook,  however I like Chicago history and so looked at the link to the video which did open.


  Some Googling of the names on the warehouses and buildings gave the following data: 
The train appears to be on the Pennsylvania Railroad 

Opening - Building in background at 00:7 seconds is Cuneo Press, https://www.rpwrhs.org/w/index.php?title=Cuneo_Press   lists this at 22nd and Clinton near the Chicago river, so that is about where the video starts     https://www.flickr.com/photos/86125374@N00/2828020279    read comments on the link. 

At 31 seconds it looks like the photographer is between Cermak Road and the South Branch of the Chicago River. (21st Street?)  Google Maps lists this as PRR Bridge 463. 
Did you see the AT&SF Grand Canyon Line paint on the bridge?  As we cross the river that could be Canal street bridge opened. 


At 1:14 it appears that this is the CB&Q line from the west coming on. Note the two nicely ballasted tracks under the signal bridge.  How different it is today. 


At 1:28 into the video Crooks Warehouse, more here https://www.flickr.com/photos/52209513@N03/33910105995     and here   http://industrialscenery.blogspot.com/2017/03/bnsfcb-chicago-commuter-train-yard.html    Read the comment on second photo down by Bryan Howell , however the overriding gist is that we are looking at the Zephyr pit area by this time into video. 
Crooks Warehouse Terminal was listed as 14th Place which would put it, just north of the Q & PRR lines merging. 
Wish more of the Q engine facilities were visible at about 1:32 to 1:40, looking above the cars finds some notable markers. 

The presence of Pennsy cars is found by this link when Googling Crooks Warehouse Chicago  https://explore.chicagocollections.org/image/uic/59/0p0ww5w/

Where the video ends?  Not sure if that is the fabled Roosevelt Road overpass at the end. 
                                                                                                                                                                                                             Jim Dick            St Paul, MN 


Re: Video: Forgotten Chicago

np328
 

  Though I DID groan at the mention of Facebook,  however I like Chicago history and so looked at the link to the video which did open.


  Some Googling of the names on the warehouses and buildings gave the following data: 
The train appears to be on the Pennsylvania Railroad 

Opening - Building in background at 00:7 seconds is Cuneo Press, https://www.rpwrhs.org/w/index.php?title=Cuneo_Press   lists this at 22nd and Clinton near the Chicago river, so that is about where the video starts     https://www.flickr.com/photos/86125374@N00/2828020279    read comments on the link. 

At 31 seconds it looks like the photographer is between Cermak Road and the South Branch of the Chicago River. (21st Street?)  Google Maps lists this as PRR Bridge 463. 
Did you see the AT&SF Grand Canyon Line paint on the bridge?  As we cross the river that could be Canal street bridge opened. 


At 1:14 it appears that this is the CB&Q line from the west coming on. Note the two nicely ballasted tracks under the signal bridge.  How different it is today. 


At 1:28 into the video Crooks Warehouse, more here https://www.flickr.com/photos/52209513@N03/33910105995     and here   http://industrialscenery.blogspot.com/2017/03/bnsfcb-chicago-commuter-train-yard.html    Read the comment on second photo down by Bryan Howell , however the overriding gist is that we are looking at the Zephyr pit area by this time into video. 
Crooks Warehouse Terminal was listed as 14th Place which would put it, just north of the Q & PRR lines merging. 
Wish more of the Q engine facilities were visible at about 1:32 to 1:40, looking above the cars finds some notable markers. 

The presence of Pennsy cars is found by this link when Googling Crooks Warehouse Chicago  https://explore.chicagocollections.org/image/uic/59/0p0ww5w/

Where the video ends?  Not sure if that is the fabled Roosevelt Road overpass at the end. 
                                                                                                                                                                                                             Jim Dick            St Paul, MN 


Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 8/22/2019 10:18 AM, Tony Thompson wrote:
issues with a number of solvents in California are about air pollution

    This rumor of course but I was told all the big box stores (and then everyone else) quit carrying these was the fear of law suits.  MEK I understand can still be purchased in CA, it's just a matter of finding the place.  I don't  want a 55 gallon drum of it.

    Years ago I had to go to the bay (Newark), where all the warehouses are, to get a gallon of glycerin to pickle lichen.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: what to do with all those leftover freight car trucks?

Tim O'Connor
 


sides were shipped upright in gondolas, like Lee Turner's model


On 8/22/2019 9:53 AM, Rick Jesionowski via Groups.Io wrote:
Question, how were the doors shipped from YSD , on flatcars? gon? boxcar? it would make an interesting load if in an open top car.

Rick Jesionowski


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Video: Forgotten Chicago

Tim O'Connor
 


who says time travel is not possible?

open platform commuter cars behind steam - them were the days!


On 8/22/2019 1:21 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:
I do not belong to FB, but I could see it as this appears to be a public site.  Some good Burlington and HW Pullmans as well, pass by quickly.
 
Steve Hile


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 11:44 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Video: Forgotten Chicago

Forgotten Chicago

For those of you who have Facebook (Yes, I hear your groans of disapproval) here is a short film shot from a train passing through Chicago's rail yards and industrial areas in the 1940s:

https://www.facebook.com/Charingx/videos/10155451305567465/

Bob Chaparro



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Video: Forgotten Chicago

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

This is obviously shot along the CB&Q, as most of the equipment is theirs (I did note a PRR round-roof boxcar). The buildings seem vaguely familiar from my trips on Amtrak into or out of Union Station--some I think some of the structures still standing, though nearly all are empty.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

 

On 8/22/2019 1:25 PM, Scott wrote:
Cool video,  so many neat modeling ideas in there.

Scott McDonald


Re: what to do with all those leftover freight car trucks?

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 08:38 AM, Daniel A. Mitchell wrote:
The bronze bearings have to be seated in the journal boxes … it is unlikely that the raw castings would be suitable without some clean-up. Possibly the spring pads and bolster slots would also need some work. Was such done at the foundry, or at the RR shop?
 
The bearings seat against a loose piece in the box called the journal bearing wedge. These may well be machined, but only fit against locating bosses in the box.

Dennis Storzek

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