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Re: Terms For Freight Car Parts

Bob Webber
 

This might launch a large discussion..but....

Before you define those terms, better define "proper" - esp. which context you wish to use it in.

Proper may mean what is proper within the group, within the hobby, by hobby manufacturers, authors, railroaders (and that's by division within railroad), by railroad correspondence, by car manufacturer..etc. etc..

Sidestep & Sill Step (and corner step) are used by Standard Steel drawings & references. With over 60,000 drawings scanned from Pullman, Pullman-Standard, Haskell & Barker, Standard Steel and others - the only mention of "stirrup" is in the use in conjunction with posts or daft gear rigging - where its function was to support (not step).

Roof walk has not been used in the drawings, running board has been.

(you can add outside braced to the topic and enjoy more opinions)

Why do I say you must define "proper".

I was discussing the term "Harriman" in conjunction with passenger cars, saying it would be better to use the term "Common Standard". One participant, who had spent many years on the C&NW took umbrage, and said he didn't know what "Common Standard" was but he sure knew a "Harriman" car when he saw it!!! "There was a Harriman car in the yards in Chicago that's now at the Illinois Railroad Museum, and everyone called in Harriman rather than Common Standard!". Looking at the car, I found the car in question was an ex-C&O arched roof combine - neither Harriman (sic) nor Common Standard - a completely different design. Yet...this was a man who had spent a lot of time on railroads, insisting the use was proper and more so than the "proper" term. Who was right?

I have heard railroaders, manufacturers and others use all the terms above. Does use in the industry indicate "proper" use? How many authors have used these terms? Many. Proper? How many reference books have used these terms? Many. What then is indicative of a "proper" use? I have my opinion on this one - colored by what I do & see now. I'm not going to say one is more proper. It depends on context and intent. People on this list have tried to instill the use of proper terms - terms used by the manufacturers of the object, and the MCB use (among others). In a sense - just as will clinics and the more scholarly papers there is a certain trust that the use of a term will be proper use. Your mileage may very.


At 10:58 AM 8/24/2019, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io wrote:

I noticed two terms for freight car parts in Mr. Trandel's presentation are in conflict with terms I usually see used on this group.

The author used "roof walk" for "running board" and "stirrup step" for "sill step".

Which terms are preferred/correct?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Bob Webber

Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP (Terms For Freight Car Parts)

Bill Welch
 

My personal authority for this is the Car Builder's Cyclopedia's "Definitions" section—Sill Step and Running Board. You did not mention the use of term "Lateral" for which the mechanical term is Latitudinal.

Bill Welch

Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP (Terms For Freight Car Parts)

Pierre Oliver
 

And I'm waiting for Tony to engage in this debate

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 2019-08-24 12:22 p.m., npin53 wrote:

The term "roof walk" used to make Richard Hendrickson's eye twitch. 

Aaron Gjermundson 

Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP (Terms For Freight Car Parts)

npin53
 

The term "roof walk" used to make Richard Hendrickson's eye twitch. 

Aaron Gjermundson 

Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP (Terms For Freight Car Parts)

Bob Chaparro
 

I noticed two terms for freight car parts in Mr. Trandel's presentation are in conflict with terms I usually see used on this group.

The author used "roof walk" for "running board" and "stirrup step" for "sill step".

Which terms are preferred/correct?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Bruce, I had not seen this before nad it has some good basic info.  Thanks for sharing
fenton

On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 10:26 AM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Folks,


SERIOUSLY? What Bill has been looking at is a .pdf file.  

http://www.foxvalleydivision.org/fvd2016/imagesfvd2016/clinicdata/Mid-Century%20Boxcars%20V2.pdf


It was not an "attachment" (as stated by Bill) and it is not a protected image. What was included in the original email was a LINK to a PDF of a presentation. By far, the simplest thing for Bill to do is to click on the link and download the entire PDF. On my Mac, all you do is hover over the open PDF and a button bar appears that includes a download icon.


Once that file is downloaded, you may be able to extract the image (if you have the full version of Acrobat) or you may have to use some of the screen shot tricks that others have discussed... but it isn't "protected" and it isn't very hard to do...


Of course, you could also be polite and email the author of the presentation that you are pulling photos out of and ask for a copy of the photo 😉. A little hunting at the parent web site shows that would be a Mr. George Trandel, who presented this clinic in February of 2018.


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL



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Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,


SERIOUSLY? What Bill has been looking at is a .pdf file.  

http://www.foxvalleydivision.org/fvd2016/imagesfvd2016/clinicdata/Mid-Century%20Boxcars%20V2.pdf


It was not an "attachment" (as stated by Bill) and it is not a protected image. What was included in the original email was a LINK to a PDF of a presentation. By far, the simplest thing for Bill to do is to click on the link and download the entire PDF. On my Mac, all you do is hover over the open PDF and a button bar appears that includes a download icon.


Once that file is downloaded, you may be able to extract the image (if you have the full version of Acrobat) or you may have to use some of the screen shot tricks that others have discussed... but it isn't "protected" and it isn't very hard to do...


Of course, you could also be polite and email the author of the presentation that you are pulling photos out of and ask for a copy of the photo 😉. A little hunting at the parent web site shows that would be a Mr. George Trandel, who presented this clinic in February of 2018.


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

Macs don’t have a print screen, but the same general rules apply:

To capture the entire screen display, press CMD+SHIFT+3 together.

To capture a specific part of the screen, press CMD+SHIFT+4 together, then use the mouse to select what you want.

The screenshot JPG will appear on your desktop, and can be edited with any number of programs

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, August 24, 2019 at 7:13 AM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SEEKING PHOTO HELP

 


every PC keyboard I've used has a "print screen" button! the screen is copied to
the "clipboard". then I open photoshop, create a new file from the clipboard, and
trim the picture to suit my need. easy peasy.

with Firefox, to steal a web site image file (not just a snapshot of the screen)
you choose TOOLS->PAGE INFO->MEDIA. then scroll through the image files (including
the "copy protected" ones the web sites lie to their customers and tell them the
files are safe) and save the ones you want to your hard drive. also easy peasy.

on Androids just click on a "volume" control button and the "power" button together
and wait for the "camera click". the screen is now saved to your files.

the rule is: if you can SEE it, then you can download it.

Tim O'Connor



On 8/24/2019 2:28 AM, Matthew Metoyer wrote:

Windows 8 (?) & 10 computers include a program called 'snipping tool'. The icon looks like a pair of scissors. It allows you to create a photo file of whatever is on your screen. 

 

Matthew Metoyer

Santa Maria CA

 

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 10:27 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:

Bill, to capture photos off of your screen requires a software called Screen Capture.

If you had a Mac, all you would have to do is click 3 buttons and hold down the mouse and drag over the image you wish to capture. I do this constantly and would hate to give up this feature. I would suggest that you search for a "Screen Capture" and download into your computer. This is also helpful for sites which don't allow the even easier "Drag & Drop", but that is another Mac item.

 

Tim O'Connor has stated for years that nothing can't be captured from a computer. Just a little harder for a windows system. Perhaps he will share the technique.

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP

Tim O'Connor
 


every PC keyboard I've used has a "print screen" button! the screen is copied to
the "clipboard". then I open photoshop, create a new file from the clipboard, and
trim the picture to suit my need. easy peasy.

with Firefox, to steal a web site image file (not just a snapshot of the screen)
you choose TOOLS->PAGE INFO->MEDIA. then scroll through the image files (including
the "copy protected" ones the web sites lie to their customers and tell them the
files are safe) and save the ones you want to your hard drive. also easy peasy.

on Androids just click on a "volume" control button and the "power" button together
and wait for the "camera click". the screen is now saved to your files.

the rule is: if you can SEE it, then you can download it.

Tim O'Connor



On 8/24/2019 2:28 AM, Matthew Metoyer wrote:
Windows 8 (?) & 10 computers include a program called 'snipping tool'. The icon looks like a pair of scissors. It allows you to create a photo file of whatever is on your screen. 

Matthew Metoyer
Santa Maria CA

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 10:27 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
Bill, to capture photos off of your screen requires a software called Screen Capture.
If you had a Mac, all you would have to do is click 3 buttons and hold down the mouse and drag over the image you wish to capture. I do this constantly and would hate to give up this feature. I would suggest that you search for a "Screen Capture" and download into your computer. This is also helpful for sites which don't allow the even easier "Drag & Drop", but that is another Mac item.

Tim O'Connor has stated for years that nothing can't be captured from a computer. Just a little harder for a windows system. Perhaps he will share the technique.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP

Brent Greer
 

On most PC keyboards you will see a button marked "print screen". (Sometimes it may be a shift or control function key - you may have to play around with it)

Pressing tg his button takes a snapshot of whatever image is on your monitor at that moment.

If you then open the "Paint" application (in windows accessories) you can the paste the screen captures and edit out whatever you don't want.   Then save the image.

Brent

________________________________
Dr. J. Brent Greer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 1:27:20 AM
To: pardiew001@... <pardiew001@...>; STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SEEKING PHOTO HELP
 
Bill, to capture photos off of your screen requires a software called Screen Capture.
If you had a Mac, all you would have to do is click 3 buttons and hold down the mouse and drag over the image you wish to capture. I do this constantly and would hate to give up this feature. I would suggest that you search for a "Screen Capture" and download into your computer. This is also helpful for sites which don't allow the even easier "Drag & Drop", but that is another Mac item.

Tim O'Connor has stated for years that nothing can't be captured from a computer. Just a little harder for a windows system. Perhaps he will share the technique.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Dave and Friends,

I tried to upload to the files section a few months ago, but my load failed. Maybe that's why nobody has posted there for so long.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 8/23/2019 10:50 PM, Dave Parker via Groups.Io wrote:
Bill: 

The FILES section is not going to help you.  It seems that nobody has uploaded anything to it since the Admin test over a year ago.

There are some photo ALBUMS that members have posted, but more likely what you seek is the the EMAILED PHOTOS album within the PHOTOS section (unless we have used up our memory quota in which case the older photos get spooled off into computer heaven).  Unfortunately, that resource is a true stream-of-consciousness record of every photo shared, often with multiple copies due to resharing and replying.  There is no index or the like, so unless you can guess the file name and search for it, you might have to scroll back in time and look for it.

Or, you can try finding the original post in the MESSAGES section; the photo should still be attached to it.

Or, somebody may save you time by resending the photo.

It is for this reason that when I see a photo of interest here, I try to grab it ASAP.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: MEK Substitute and current plastic cements

 

Bill et al,

There are two versions of the Tamiya Extra Thin!

One with the darker green label is thick enough / slow enough to be able to brush it on and then position the parts.

The other with the lighter green label and the words “Quick Setting” evaporates almost immediately and is designed to be flowed into gaps via capillary action.

Colin ‘t Hart
Frösön, Sweden

Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP

Matthew Metoyer
 

Windows 8 (?) & 10 computers include a program called 'snipping tool'. The icon looks like a pair of scissors. It allows you to create a photo file of whatever is on your screen. 

Matthew Metoyer
Santa Maria CA

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 10:27 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
Bill, to capture photos off of your screen requires a software called Screen Capture.
If you had a Mac, all you would have to do is click 3 buttons and hold down the mouse and drag over the image you wish to capture. I do this constantly and would hate to give up this feature. I would suggest that you search for a "Screen Capture" and download into your computer. This is also helpful for sites which don't allow the even easier "Drag & Drop", but that is another Mac item.

Tim O'Connor has stated for years that nothing can't be captured from a computer. Just a little harder for a windows system. Perhaps he will share the technique.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

SEEKING PHOTO HELP

Andy Carlson
 

Bill, to capture photos off of your screen requires a software called Screen Capture.
If you had a Mac, all you would have to do is click 3 buttons and hold down the mouse and drag over the image you wish to capture. I do this constantly and would hate to give up this feature. I would suggest that you search for a "Screen Capture" and download into your computer. This is also helpful for sites which don't allow the even easier "Drag & Drop", but that is another Mac item.

Tim O'Connor has stated for years that nothing can't be captured from a computer. Just a little harder for a windows system. Perhaps he will share the technique.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Thanks to Dave's advise I was able to go back through Messages and found the original under Mid-Century Box Cars V2 (1) pdf.  It has the photo of D&H car #17432  Reweigh CI 5-31.

Thanks to Brian's response I was able to determine that not all cars in this series received Viking roofs.  17432 apparently does not have the Viking roof.  Now more work for me..

Also now how do I extract the photo.

Thanks all:

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: "Dave Parker via Groups.Io" <spottab@...>
Date: 8/23/19 4:50 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SEEKING PHOTO HELP

Bill: 

The FILES section is not going to help you.  It seems that nobody has uploaded anything to it since the Admin test over a year ago.

There are some photo ALBUMS that members have posted, but more likely what you seek is the the EMAILED PHOTOS album within the PHOTOS section (unless we have used up our memory quota in which case the older photos get spooled off into computer heaven).  Unfortunately, that resource is a true stream-of-consciousness record of every photo shared, often with multiple copies due to resharing and replying.  There is no index or the like, so unless you can guess the file name and search for it, you might have to scroll back in time and look for it.

Or, you can try finding the original post in the MESSAGES section; the photo should still be attached to it.

Or, somebody may save you time by resending the photo.

It is for this reason that when I see a photo of interest here, I try to grab it ASAP.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA

Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP

Dave Parker
 

Bill: 

The FILES section is not going to help you.  It seems that nobody has uploaded anything to it since the Admin test over a year ago.

There are some photo ALBUMS that members have posted, but more likely what you seek is the the EMAILED PHOTOS album within the PHOTOS section (unless we have used up our memory quota in which case the older photos get spooled off into computer heaven).  Unfortunately, that resource is a true stream-of-consciousness record of every photo shared, often with multiple copies due to resharing and replying.  There is no index or the like, so unless you can guess the file name and search for it, you might have to scroll back in time and look for it.

Or, you can try finding the original post in the MESSAGES section; the photo should still be attached to it.

Or, somebody may save you time by resending the photo.

It is for this reason that when I see a photo of interest here, I try to grab it ASAP.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA

Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP

Brian Carlson
 

Bill I’m not sure if it’s the same photo but Matt Forsyth has a few here.

http://mattforsyth.com/?p=424 


Brian J. Carlson 

On Aug 23, 2019, at 8:39 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:




Early last month there was a series of posts on ALTERED USRA SINGLE SHEATH BOX CAR PHOTOS.  One of the photos in this series was an altered D&H car.  Ted Culottacovered this car in his Essential Freight Car series.  The main change was to a Viking roof.

I was unable to extract the photo at that time and kept the post on my computor.  Yesterday I noticed that it had somehow escaped.

I have not had any luck in the files section.

Any help or clues would be appreciated.

Bill Pardie


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
Date: 8/23/19 8:50 AM (GMT-10:00)
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [PassengerCarList] Video: Forgotten Chicago

Wait a second, Charlie. Everybody knows commuter coaches are AAR mechanical designation "S" along with the rest of the cattle cars.

Dennis Storzek

Re: [PassengerCarList] Video: Forgotten Chicago

Thomas Evans
 

Thanks, Charlie,

I had really wondered about those very odd-looking commuter cars with their tiny windows, but hesitated to ask since they are off-topic.

Tom

SEEKING PHOTO HELP

WILLIAM PARDIE
 




Early last month there was a series of posts on ALTERED USRA SINGLE SHEATH BOX CAR PHOTOS.  One of the photos in this series was an altered D&H car.  Ted Culottacovered this car in his Essential Freight Car series.  The main change was to a Viking roof.

I was unable to extract the photo at that time and kept the post on my computor.  Yesterday I noticed that it had somehow escaped.

I have not had any luck in the files section.

Any help or clues would be appreciated.

Bill Pardie


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
Date: 8/23/19 8:50 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [PassengerCarList] Video: Forgotten Chicago

Wait a second, Charlie. Everybody knows commuter coaches are AAR mechanical designation "S" along with the rest of the cattle cars.

Dennis Storzek

FS: Ted Cullota Book

Scott H. Haycock
 

Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual, Vol. 1: Box and Automobile Cars. This book is in excellent Condition.

Asking $50.00 including Media Mail shipping to the Lower 48 States. Insurance, $3.00 additional.

Reply OFF LIST o shhaycockAtcomcastDOTnet

Scott Haycock