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Re: PM box car - unusual ends?

Donald B. Valentine
 

    The end is made of three pieces and the fat part is where they are joined, either riveted or welded,
I can't tell for sure in the photo but it looks like they are welded.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: PM box car - unusual ends?

Tom Madden
 

Looks a lot like this, I bet!

Tom Madden

Re: Susquehanna 40’ boxcars c1940-48

Donald B. Valentine
 

    The Susie-Q had 49 cars that were 36 ft. DOMINION cars by April 1948, never mind the Fowler car nonsense
as in the photos I have seen NO Erie Dominion cars used the unnecessary, and expensive, Fowler patent.The
same cars were present in the July 1947 ORER but no 40 ft. cars are shown in either. By July 1959 there were
9 Dominion cars left and two 40 ft. cars, #401 and #402 had been added. The Dominion cars were rated at 80,000
lbs. and the two steel cars at 100,000 lbs. Interestngly there were no other cars on the road at this later date other
than 10 cabeese.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Murphy Rectangular Panel roof

Tom Madden
 

On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 12:55 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Tom Madden years ago made replacement cast resin roofs (using spliced
IMWX/RC roofs for the master) for the Proto 2000 box cars that had incorrect
roofs. The roofs drop right onto the Branchline car body.
Aaannnnnd..... he still does. Also 50' Viking replacement roofs. Just checked and I have ten RP roofs and seven Vikings on hand. Contact me OFF LIST (that's OFF LIST) at pullmanboss (at) yahoo (dot) com for details.

Tom Madden
 

Re: Murphy Rectangular Panel roof

 

Thanks Tim & Tom....message has been sent OFF LIST.

Dave Strahlendorf

Re: PM box car - unusual ends?

Richard Townsend
 

Right you are.


On Aug 25, 2019, at 1:15 PM, Tom Madden via Groups.Io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:

Looks a lot like this, I bet!

Tom Madden
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Smoky Mtn Model Works' web address updated

Jim King
 

It was pointed out to me today that my web address wasn’t working.  Thru some investigation, I found that WWW. is no longer used and, in fact, created a barrier for my web site to be uploaded to my server.  Please update your files to reflect the revised web link below.  Let me know if you have problems (testing shows this works OK but ya never know with ‘puters!).  Be sure to clear your web’s browser before updating my address.

 

Thank you.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com

 

 


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Jim King
www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

Re: Wabash Box Car Trucks - Color

Chet
 

John,


The carbody color.


Chet French

Dixon, IL 

ACL automobile boxcar

Eric Hansmann
 

Bob Chapman wrapped up an ACL automobile boxcar recently. He shares photos and techniques in the latest Resin Car Works blog post.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/acl-automobile-boxcar/


Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy

Re: PM box car - unusual ends?

Tim O'Connor
 


lol - and a third candidate term! I started with Ed Hawkins' nomenclature
where he assigned a specific code to each type of end. In my opinion that's
really the only solution - a kind of scientific notation for freight car ends.
I expanded on Ed's and I keep them on file as my own reference

 5/5/5 MUR     Murphy end
   7/7 MUR     Murphy end
 3/3/3 DN      dreadnaught (some early auto cars)
   4   DN      dreadnaught (gondolas)
   4/4 DN      dreadnaught
   4/5 DN      dreadnaught
   5/5 DN      dreadnaught
   4/4 DART    "dartnot" or ACF Car Builder end (1950-1954)
   4/4 IDE     "rolling pin"
   4/4 IDE-2   "rolling pin" w/ short top rib
   3/4 IDE     "rolling pin" w/ extra narrow top rib
   3/4 IDE-2   "rolling pin" w/ no extra narrow top rib
 R-3/4 IDE     "rolling pin" w/ rectangular top rib (postwar to 1954)
 R+3/4 IDE      - alternate
 R-3/4 TDE     "tapered rib" w/ rectangular top rib (1955 and onwards)
 R+3/4 TDE      - alternate
   4/4 TDE     "tapered rib" w/ no rectangular rib
 3/3/3 TDE     "tapered rib" w/ no rectangular rib
   x/x PSE     Pullman Standard end
     x NTE     Non Terminating End

          -r   modifier indicates rivet seams
          -w   modifier indicates welded seams

   ... IV..    "inverse" pattern (mirror image)
   ... RV..    "reverse" pattern (inside out)





On 8/25/2019 3:02 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Tim O'Connor wrote:

You're looking at the backside view of most dreadnaught ends (with variations
in the number of ribs and panels). Some call them "reverse dreadnaughts" and I've
heard "inverse dreadnaught" as well.
     I don't see this as a reverse end at all. I think people are being confused by the two wider ribs, probably located at seams where pieces of the end are joined together. It might be a RECESSED end, in which the corrugations look pressed INTO the end, rather than proud of its surface, but I'm not sure if that's the case.

Tony Thompson
tony@...

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: ACL automobile boxcar

Benjamin Hom
 

Eric Hansmann wrote:
"Bob Chapman wrapped up an ACL automobile boxcar recently. He shares photos and techniques in the latest Resin Car Works blog post."

I always sit up and take notice whenever I see one of Bob's articles or blog posts.  His techniques and problem solving is very creative - I always learn something from his projects.


Ben Hom

Re: PM box car - unusual ends?

Armand Premo
 

Unusual ends?How about the C&O 5400s with the "Deco ends.Armand Premo

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On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 8:57 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

lol - and a third candidate term! I started with Ed Hawkins' nomenclature
where he assigned a specific code to each type of end. In my opinion that's
really the only solution - a kind of scientific notation for freight car ends.
I expanded on Ed's and I keep them on file as my own reference

 5/5/5 MUR     Murphy end
   7/7 MUR     Murphy end
 3/3/3 DN      dreadnaught (some early auto cars)
   4   DN      dreadnaught (gondolas)
   4/4 DN      dreadnaught
   4/5 DN      dreadnaught
   5/5 DN      dreadnaught
   4/4 DART    "dartnot" or ACF Car Builder end (1950-1954)
   4/4 IDE     "rolling pin"
   4/4 IDE-2   "rolling pin" w/ short top rib
   3/4 IDE     "rolling pin" w/ extra narrow top rib
   3/4 IDE-2   "rolling pin" w/ no extra narrow top rib
 R-3/4 IDE     "rolling pin" w/ rectangular top rib (postwar to 1954)
 R+3/4 IDE      - alternate
 R-3/4 TDE     "tapered rib" w/ rectangular top rib (1955 and onwards)
 R+3/4 TDE      - alternate
   4/4 TDE     "tapered rib" w/ no rectangular rib
 3/3/3 TDE     "tapered rib" w/ no rectangular rib
   x/x PSE     Pullman Standard end
     x NTE     Non Terminating End

          -r   modifier indicates rivet seams
          -w   modifier indicates welded seams

   ... IV..    "inverse" pattern (mirror image)
   ... RV..    "reverse" pattern (inside out)





On 8/25/2019 3:02 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:

Tim O'Connor wrote:

You're looking at the backside view of most dreadnaught ends (with variations
in the number of ribs and panels). Some call them "reverse dreadnaughts" and I've
heard "inverse dreadnaught" as well.
     I don't see this as a reverse end at all. I think people are being confused by the two wider ribs, probably located at seams where pieces of the end are joined together. It might be a RECESSED end, in which the corrugations look pressed INTO the end, rather than proud of its surface, but I'm not sure if that's the case.

Tony Thompson
tony@...

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


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Re: Susquehanna 40’ boxcars c1940-48

G.J. Irwin
 

The 36 foot boxcars Don Valentine mentioned are shown in the January 1945 ORER as well.

Although after the 1948 time period end about which you asked, the next ORER in my accumulation is from July 1950 and shows 40 of the 36 foot boxcars on the roster. 

Elsewhere online it's noted that the road had some 40 foot boxcars, which were later sold to the Monon.  The ex-LV boxcars in the familiar green "Ship With Susie-Q" lettering would appear "in the future" for this list.

Cheers,
George Irwin

Re: PM box car - unusual ends?

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Tim and Armand,

A very useful categorization, at least if all of us used it. It needs to be expanded, and available somewhere in our archives.

Van Dorn ends?

How about adding the Canadian NSCE ends?

Are the NTE ends the ones applied to experimental light-weight boxcars built in the late 1930s? There were two versions of these ends, one by Pullman with fat wales that ended short of the car end edges, and another very rare end by AC&F which had thinner wales that went all the way to the car end edges. See MODEL RAILROADING June 1987.

What is meant by the "alternate" on the R+3/4 IDE and R+3/4 TDE ends? Could this be better defined?

Could we have an addendum classing the various auto car end door designs?

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff




On 8/26/2019 9:47 AM, Armand Premo wrote:
Unusual ends?How about the C&O 5400s with the "Deco ends.Armand Premo

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On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 8:57 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

lol - and a third candidate term! I started with Ed Hawkins' nomenclature
where he assigned a specific code to each type of end. In my opinion that's
really the only solution - a kind of scientific notation for freight car ends.
I expanded on Ed's and I keep them on file as my own reference

 5/5/5 MUR     Murphy end
   7/7 MUR     Murphy end
 3/3/3 DN      dreadnaught (some early auto cars)
   4   DN      dreadnaught (gondolas)
   4/4 DN      dreadnaught
   4/5 DN      dreadnaught
   5/5 DN      dreadnaught
   4/4 DART    "dartnot" or ACF Car Builder end (1950-1954)
   4/4 IDE     "rolling pin"
   4/4 IDE-2   "rolling pin" w/ short top rib
   3/4 IDE     "rolling pin" w/ extra narrow top rib
   3/4 IDE-2   "rolling pin" w/ no extra narrow top rib
 R-3/4 IDE     "rolling pin" w/ rectangular top rib (postwar to 1954)
 R+3/4 IDE      - alternate
 R-3/4 TDE     "tapered rib" w/ rectangular top rib (1955 and onwards)
 R+3/4 TDE      - alternate
   4/4 TDE     "tapered rib" w/ no rectangular rib
 3/3/3 TDE     "tapered rib" w/ no rectangular rib
   x/x PSE     Pullman Standard end
     x NTE     Non Terminating End

          -r   modifier indicates rivet seams
          -w   modifier indicates welded seams

   ... IV..    "inverse" pattern (mirror image)
   ... RV..    "reverse" pattern (inside out)





On 8/25/2019 3:02 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:

Tim O'Connor wrote:

You're looking at the backside view of most dreadnaught ends (with variations
in the number of ribs and panels). Some call them "reverse dreadnaughts" and I've
heard "inverse dreadnaught" as well.
     I don't see this as a reverse end at all. I think people are being confused by the two wider ribs, probably located at seams where pieces of the end are joined together. It might be a RECESSED end, in which the corrugations look pressed INTO the end, rather than proud of its surface, but I'm not sure if that's the case.

Tony Thompson
tony@...

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Re: Susquehanna 40’ boxcars c1940-48

ed_mines
 

I've seen a couple of photos of former LV double door box cars rebuilt with a single door with the old lady billboard Susquehanna advertising.

Re: Susquehanna 40’ boxcars c1940-48

Kemal Mumcu
 

Just curious, how many cars were listed in '45?

Colin Meikle

Removing mold from a railroad print

O Fenton Wells
 

This is kinda off topic but I have a railroad print that I forgot I had and after 6 or 7 moves I found it in a tube and it has some light brown mold on it.  Does anoyoone know how to remove the mold without hurting the print.
I hope the jail cell is warm and the food is good
Fenton Wells

Re: Removing mold from a railroad print

Bob Miller
 

Check with an art museum or art dealer and ask about folks who clean and conserve old paintings,etc.


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...>
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 4:37:09 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Removing mold from a railroad print
 
This is kinda off topic but I have a railroad print that I forgot I had and after 6 or 7 moves I found it in a tube and it has some light brown mold on it.  Does anoyoone know how to remove the mold without hurting the print.
I hope the jail cell is warm and the food is good
Fenton Wells

3/4 improved dreadnaught endo for a 10'-0" IH boxcar

O Fenton Wells
 

Does anyone make such a product?
Fenton Wells

Re: 3/4 improved dreadnaught endo for a 10'-0" IH boxcar

Tony Thompson
 

Isn’t that the end on the IM 12-panel box car?
Tony Thompson 


On Aug 26, 2019, at 4:58 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Does anyone make such a product?
Fenton Wells