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Re: PM box car - unusual ends?

Tim O'Connor
 


lol - and a third candidate term! I started with Ed Hawkins' nomenclature
where he assigned a specific code to each type of end. In my opinion that's
really the only solution - a kind of scientific notation for freight car ends.
I expanded on Ed's and I keep them on file as my own reference

 5/5/5 MUR     Murphy end
   7/7 MUR     Murphy end
 3/3/3 DN      dreadnaught (some early auto cars)
   4   DN      dreadnaught (gondolas)
   4/4 DN      dreadnaught
   4/5 DN      dreadnaught
   5/5 DN      dreadnaught
   4/4 DART    "dartnot" or ACF Car Builder end (1950-1954)
   4/4 IDE     "rolling pin"
   4/4 IDE-2   "rolling pin" w/ short top rib
   3/4 IDE     "rolling pin" w/ extra narrow top rib
   3/4 IDE-2   "rolling pin" w/ no extra narrow top rib
 R-3/4 IDE     "rolling pin" w/ rectangular top rib (postwar to 1954)
 R+3/4 IDE      - alternate
 R-3/4 TDE     "tapered rib" w/ rectangular top rib (1955 and onwards)
 R+3/4 TDE      - alternate
   4/4 TDE     "tapered rib" w/ no rectangular rib
 3/3/3 TDE     "tapered rib" w/ no rectangular rib
   x/x PSE     Pullman Standard end
     x NTE     Non Terminating End

          -r   modifier indicates rivet seams
          -w   modifier indicates welded seams

   ... IV..    "inverse" pattern (mirror image)
   ... RV..    "reverse" pattern (inside out)





On 8/25/2019 3:02 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Tim O'Connor wrote:

You're looking at the backside view of most dreadnaught ends (with variations
in the number of ribs and panels). Some call them "reverse dreadnaughts" and I've
heard "inverse dreadnaught" as well.
     I don't see this as a reverse end at all. I think people are being confused by the two wider ribs, probably located at seams where pieces of the end are joined together. It might be a RECESSED end, in which the corrugations look pressed INTO the end, rather than proud of its surface, but I'm not sure if that's the case.

Tony Thompson
tony@...

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

ACL automobile boxcar

Eric Hansmann
 

Bob Chapman wrapped up an ACL automobile boxcar recently. He shares photos and techniques in the latest Resin Car Works blog post.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/acl-automobile-boxcar/


Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy

Re: Wabash Box Car Trucks - Color

Chet
 

John,


The carbody color.


Chet French

Dixon, IL 

Smoky Mtn Model Works' web address updated

Jim King
 

It was pointed out to me today that my web address wasn’t working.  Thru some investigation, I found that WWW. is no longer used and, in fact, created a barrier for my web site to be uploaded to my server.  Please update your files to reflect the revised web link below.  Let me know if you have problems (testing shows this works OK but ya never know with ‘puters!).  Be sure to clear your web’s browser before updating my address.

 

Thank you.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com

 

 


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www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

Re: PM box car - unusual ends?

Richard Townsend
 

Right you are.


On Aug 25, 2019, at 1:15 PM, Tom Madden via Groups.Io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:

Looks a lot like this, I bet!

Tom Madden
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Re: Murphy Rectangular Panel roof

 

Thanks Tim & Tom....message has been sent OFF LIST.

Dave Strahlendorf

Re: Murphy Rectangular Panel roof

Tom Madden
 

On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 12:55 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Tom Madden years ago made replacement cast resin roofs (using spliced
IMWX/RC roofs for the master) for the Proto 2000 box cars that had incorrect
roofs. The roofs drop right onto the Branchline car body.
Aaannnnnd..... he still does. Also 50' Viking replacement roofs. Just checked and I have ten RP roofs and seven Vikings on hand. Contact me OFF LIST (that's OFF LIST) at pullmanboss (at) yahoo (dot) com for details.

Tom Madden
 

Re: Susquehanna 40’ boxcars c1940-48

Donald B. Valentine
 

    The Susie-Q had 49 cars that were 36 ft. DOMINION cars by April 1948, never mind the Fowler car nonsense
as in the photos I have seen NO Erie Dominion cars used the unnecessary, and expensive, Fowler patent.The
same cars were present in the July 1947 ORER but no 40 ft. cars are shown in either. By July 1959 there were
9 Dominion cars left and two 40 ft. cars, #401 and #402 had been added. The Dominion cars were rated at 80,000
lbs. and the two steel cars at 100,000 lbs. Interestngly there were no other cars on the road at this later date other
than 10 cabeese.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: PM box car - unusual ends?

Tom Madden
 

Looks a lot like this, I bet!

Tom Madden

Re: PM box car - unusual ends?

Donald B. Valentine
 

    The end is made of three pieces and the fat part is where they are joined, either riveted or welded,
I can't tell for sure in the photo but it looks like they are welded.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: PM box car - unusual ends?

Schleigh Mike
 

The book, PM Revenue Freight Cars, Million & Paton, page 92, refers to these ends as "three-piece "recessed" type Dreadnaught ends."

Regards from Sunny Grove City in western Penna......Mike Schleigh

On Sunday, August 25, 2019, 3:02:28 PM EDT, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:


Tim O'Connor wrote:

> You're looking at the backside view of most dreadnaught ends (with variations
> in the number of ribs and panels). Some call them "reverse dreadnaughts" and I've
> heard "inverse dreadnaught" as well.

    I don't see this as a reverse end at all. I think people are being confused by the two wider ribs, probably located at seams where pieces of the end are joined together. It might be a RECESSED end, in which the corrugations look pressed INTO the end, rather than proud of its surface, but I'm not sure if that's the case.

Tony Thompson
tony@...





HO Styrene brake lever pairs

Andy Carlson
 

Hello-

I have more Cal Scale plastic brake levers that I could use in multiple lifetimes.

I am offering sprues of 6 pairs of these HO brake levers. All are equipped with 3 cores for wires and pins.
Buyer to get 6 pairs of a single large lever and a 2nd smaller lever (enough for 6 freight cars) for $2.50. These are the levers which came in the Cal Scale AB Brake set for many years. I will include shipping with this price.

These are all new old stock. I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee I also accept PayPal. As always, please contact me Off-List at <midcentury@...>
Thanks,
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Re: PM box car - unusual ends?

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

You're looking at the backside view of most dreadnaught ends (with variations
in the number of ribs and panels). Some call them "reverse dreadnaughts" and I've
heard "inverse dreadnaught" as well.
I don't see this as a reverse end at all. I think people are being confused by the two wider ribs, probably located at seams where pieces of the end are joined together. It might be a RECESSED end, in which the corrugations look pressed INTO the end, rather than proud of its surface, but I'm not sure if that's the case.

Tony Thompson
tony@...

Re: Murphy Rectangular Panel roof

Tim O'Connor
 


Tom Madden years ago made replacement cast resin roofs (using spliced
IMWX/RC roofs for the master) for the Proto 2000 box cars that had incorrect
roofs. The roofs drop right onto the Branchline car body.

This would be a GOOD PART for Pierre to add to the Yarmouth product line. :-)

Tim O'Connor




On 8/25/2019 2:35 PM, Dave Strahlendorf wrote:
Does anyone have or know of a source for a rectangular panel roof for a 50' boxcar? I have a Branchline Blueprint series car that I need this for. As a last resort I could probably modify a couple of 40' Atlas AAR roofs to work. Any comments would be helpful.  

Thanks in advance,

Dave Strahlendorf
Erlanger, Ky

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Murphy Rectangular Panel roof

 

Does anyone have or know of a source for a rectangular panel roof for a 50' boxcar? I have a Branchline Blueprint series car that I need this for. As a last resort I could probably modify a couple of 40' Atlas AAR roofs to work. Any comments would be helpful.  

Thanks in advance,

Dave Strahlendorf
Erlanger, Ky

Re: PM box car - unusual ends?

Tim O'Connor
 

You're looking at the backside view of most dreadnaught ends (with variations
in the number of ribs and panels). Some call them "reverse dreadnaughts" and I've
heard "inverse dreadnaught" as well.

On 8/25/2019 12:07 PM, Richard Brennan wrote:
Ref: http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-08-25-19/X7535.jpg

From the Erie Lakawanna list, PM 91493 - double-door steel box car on the left...
What type of end is this?
Thin-thin-Fat... Thin-thin-Fat... Thin-thin ...

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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Re: Susquehanna 40’ boxcars c1940-48

al_brown03
 

I'm away from my '43 ORER, but I'm not sure if NYS&W had any 40' boxcars in the forties. They had ex-Erie 36' Fowler boxcars (Westerfield 4300-series kits). I'll look when I get home. 

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

Susquehanna 40’ boxcars c1940-48

Brad Andonian
 

Fellas

I am seeking info on early steel or wood 40’ boxcars.   Build dates type etc appreciated!    I only see repaint images in the green scheme in my searches.  Of course a black white image would be perfect.

Many thanks for any help,
Brad Andonian 



Re: PM box car - unusual ends?

Richard Townsend
 

or 2-3-3.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Townsend via Groups.Io <richtownsend@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2019 9:31 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PM box car - unusual ends?

Without knowing the proper nomenclature <g>, I would say it is a reversed 3-3-3 dreadnaught end.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Brennan <rbrennan@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2019 9:07 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] PM box car - unusual ends?


From the Erie Lakawanna list, PM 91493 - double-door steel box car on the left...
What type of end is this?
Thin-thin-Fat... Thin-thin-Fat... Thin-thin ...

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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Re: PM box car - unusual ends?

Richard Townsend
 

Without knowing the proper nomenclature <g>, I would say it is a reversed 3-3-3 dreadnaught end.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Brennan <rbrennan@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2019 9:07 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] PM box car - unusual ends?


From the Erie Lakawanna list, PM 91493 - double-door steel box car on the left...
What type of end is this?
Thin-thin-Fat... Thin-thin-Fat... Thin-thin ...

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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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