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Re: Susquehanna 40’ boxcars c1940-48
As a follow-up, I model c-1955 so I have a detailed NYS&W freight roster for that time period (1954-1958) with notes. The notes indicate that Suzy Q originally had 500 Fowler box cars listed as manufactured by Fowler Car Co. of Canada (could be a mistake). I have notes on the other boxcars that I thought you might find interesting, so I have uploaded the roster to the files here.
-- John
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Re: Susquehanna 40’ boxcars c1940-48
In January 1948 NYS&W had 49 - 36' IL boxcars. The number series they were in was 1500 to 1563, so they probably had 64 or more cars originally. My understanding was that Erie bought over 1,000 of these Canadian style boxcars and lettered some as NYS&W, which they had controlling interest in at the time. Also in the January 1948 ORER there are none, 0, zip, nadda, 40 ft boxcars on the Suzy Q roster. Interestingly 951 of the Erie cars (93000-93999) are listed as IL = 35'10" ??? Were these different cars or 36' IL cars modified in some way? The true 36' IL cars are in two separate number groups in 1948 (60000-60005 and 86010-88016). The Accurail car is numbered 87134 - i.e., out of the second group. Their NYS&W 36' car is numbered 1567. I guess that January 1948 ORER I bought came in handy after all.
-- John
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Re: 3/4 improved dreadnaught endo for a 10'-0" IH boxcar
Tony Thompson
Isn’t that the end on the IM 12-panel box car? Tony Thompson
On Aug 26, 2019, at 4:58 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
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3/4 improved dreadnaught endo for a 10'-0" IH boxcar
Does anyone make such a product?
Fenton Wells
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Re: Removing mold from a railroad print
Robert J Miller CFA
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...>
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 4:37:09 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] Removing mold from a railroad print This is kinda off topic but I have a railroad print that I forgot I had and after 6 or 7 moves I found it in a tube and it has some light brown mold on it. Does anoyoone know how to remove the mold without hurting the print.
I hope the jail cell is warm and the food is good Fenton Wells
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Removing mold from a railroad print
This is kinda off topic but I have a railroad print that I forgot I had and after 6 or 7 moves I found it in a tube and it has some light brown mold on it. Does anoyoone know how to remove the mold without hurting the print.
I hope the jail cell is warm and the food is good Fenton Wells
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Re: Susquehanna 40’ boxcars c1940-48
Kemal Mumcu
Just curious, how many cars were listed in '45?
Colin Meikle
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Re: Susquehanna 40’ boxcars c1940-48
ed_mines
I've seen a couple of photos of former LV double door box cars rebuilt with a single door with the old lady billboard Susquehanna advertising.
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Re: PM box car - unusual ends?
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Tim and Armand,
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A very useful categorization, at least if all of us used it. It needs to be expanded, and available somewhere in our archives. Van Dorn ends? How about adding the Canadian NSCE ends? Are the NTE ends the ones applied to experimental light-weight boxcars built in the late 1930s? There were two versions of these ends, one by Pullman with fat wales that ended short of the car end edges, and another very rare end by AC&F which had thinner wales that went all the way to the car end edges. See MODEL RAILROADING June 1987. What is meant by the "alternate" on the R+3/4 IDE and R+3/4 TDE ends? Could this be better defined? Could we have an addendum classing the various auto car end door designs? Yours Aye, Garth Groff
On 8/26/2019 9:47 AM, Armand Premo
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Re: Susquehanna 40’ boxcars c1940-48
G.J. Irwin
The 36 foot boxcars Don Valentine mentioned are shown in the January 1945 ORER as well.
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Re: PM box car - unusual ends?
Armand Premo
Unusual ends?How about the C&O 5400s with the "Deco ends.Armand Premo  On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 8:57 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
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Re: ACL automobile boxcar
Benjamin Hom
Eric Hansmann wrote: "Bob Chapman wrapped up an ACL automobile boxcar recently. He shares photos and techniques in the latest Resin Car Works blog post." I always sit up and take notice whenever I see one of Bob's articles or blog posts. His techniques and problem solving is very creative - I always learn something from his projects. Ben Hom
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Re: PM box car - unusual ends?
lol - and a third candidate term! I started with Ed Hawkins' nomenclature where he assigned a specific code to each type of end. In my opinion that's really the only solution - a kind of scientific notation for freight car ends. I expanded on Ed's and I keep them on file as my own reference 5/5/5 MUR Murphy end 7/7 MUR Murphy end 3/3/3 DN dreadnaught (some early auto cars) 4 DN dreadnaught (gondolas) 4/4 DN dreadnaught 4/5 DN dreadnaught 5/5 DN dreadnaught 4/4 DART "dartnot" or ACF Car Builder end (1950-1954) 4/4 IDE "rolling pin" 4/4 IDE-2 "rolling pin" w/ short top rib 3/4 IDE "rolling pin" w/ extra narrow top rib 3/4 IDE-2 "rolling pin" w/ no extra narrow top rib R-3/4 IDE "rolling pin" w/ rectangular top rib (postwar to 1954) R+3/4 IDE - alternate R-3/4 TDE "tapered rib" w/ rectangular top rib (1955 and onwards) R+3/4 TDE - alternate 4/4 TDE "tapered rib" w/ no rectangular rib 3/3/3 TDE "tapered rib" w/ no rectangular rib x/x PSE Pullman Standard end x NTE Non Terminating End -r modifier indicates rivet seams -w modifier indicates welded seams ... IV.. "inverse" pattern (mirror image) ... RV.. "reverse" pattern (inside out)
On 8/25/2019 3:02 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Tim O'Connor wrote:You're looking at the backside view of most dreadnaught ends (with variations in the number of ribs and panels). Some call them "reverse dreadnaughts" and I've heard "inverse dreadnaught" as well.I don't see this as a reverse end at all. I think people are being confused by the two wider ribs, probably located at seams where pieces of the end are joined together. It might be a RECESSED end, in which the corrugations look pressed INTO the end, rather than proud of its surface, but I'm not sure if that's the case. Tony Thompson tony@... --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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ACL automobile boxcar
Eric Hansmann
Bob Chapman wrapped up an ACL automobile boxcar recently. He shares photos and techniques in the latest Resin Car Works blog post. http://blog.resincarworks.com/acl-automobile-boxcar/ Eric Hansmann
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Re: Wabash Box Car Trucks - Color
Chet
John, The carbody color. Chet French Dixon, IL
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Smoky Mtn Model Works' web address updated
Jim King
It was pointed out to me today that my web address wasn’t working. Thru some investigation, I found that WWW. is no longer used and, in fact, created a barrier for my web site to be uploaded to my server. Please update your files to reflect the revised web link below. Let me know if you have problems (testing shows this works OK but ya never know with ‘puters!). Be sure to clear your web’s browser before updating my address.
Thank you.
Jim King http://smokymountainmodelworks.com
-- Jim King www.smokymountainmodelworks.com
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Re: PM box car - unusual ends?
Richard Townsend
Right you are.
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On Aug 25, 2019, at 1:15 PM, Tom Madden via Groups.Io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:
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Re: Murphy Rectangular Panel roof
Thanks Tim & Tom....message has been sent OFF LIST.
Dave Strahlendorf
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Re: Murphy Rectangular Panel roof
Tom Madden
On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 12:55 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Aaannnnnd..... he still does. Also 50' Viking replacement roofs. Just checked and I have ten RP roofs and seven Vikings on hand. Contact me OFF LIST (that's OFF LIST) at pullmanboss (at) yahoo (dot) com for details. Tom Madden
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Re: Susquehanna 40’ boxcars c1940-48
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
The Susie-Q had 49 cars that were 36 ft. DOMINION cars by April 1948, never mind the Fowler car nonsense as in the photos I have seen NO Erie Dominion cars used the unnecessary, and expensive, Fowler patent.The same cars were present in the July 1947 ORER but no 40 ft. cars are shown in either. By July 1959 there were 9 Dominion cars left and two 40 ft. cars, #401 and #402 had been added. The Dominion cars were rated at 80,000 lbs. and the two steel cars at 100,000 lbs. Interestngly there were no other cars on the road at this later date other than 10 cabeese. Cordially, Don Valentine
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