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Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Donald B. Valentine
 

    Nice to see those ends become available but I'd be a lot more interested in seeing the
Yuma Car & Foundry Seaboard Airline CLass B-3 boxcar offered in HO that they offer in
TT and S gauge.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Chicagoland RPM and operating session

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello Everyone,

The 26th Chicago RPM is coming up 10/24 through the 26th.  Hard to believe this show has been going for 26 years and started when the term "RPM" was unknown.

I will again host an operating session on Sunday morning, Oct 27 from 9 AM to 1 PM.  No experience necessary.  Advance reservations encouraged at railsunl@....  Come feel the heft of O scale, 2 rail trains.  

During the past year more track has been laid and several new buildings scratch built. The city of Dubuque has seen major changes. Progress continues on many fronts, including adding more freight cars.

So contact me off list for a spot at the op session.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353

Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Curt Fortenberry
 


FYI just in case, but Great Decals has decals for these cars:

https://www.greatdecals.com/     scroll down to about mid page.

Curt Fortenberry

PS:  I did the artwork and he printed them. 

Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Curt Fortenberry
 

Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build: Part Two—Adding Some Details

Bill Welch
 

With the basic superstructure assembled The Boys have started adding details. If you have looked at photos of my various models you will know I am obsessive about Sill Steps: They must be as close to the prototype being modeled as possible. The corner must be square, not rounded (unless it is a Mather stock car or boxcar). If the are angled out on the real thing, they must be angled on the model. On the P&N model they are very similar if not identical to the bottom mounted sill steps used on both types of USRA wood sheathed cars and their aspect ratio is more-or-less square and they are angled out from the side sill. I use .010 x .030 strip styrene to make their attachment flange using a longish piece that gives me a handle making it easier to get them into place. A rivet harvested from an Athearn boxcar serves as an attachment bolt head. To reshape the A-Line brass parts I anneal them in a flame and straighten out flat. Because this is a very common looking step, I have a couple of notches filed in the pliers I use to bend them so the part is placed in the same place when I bend it and they all turn out the same width.

I had already glued “L” shaped pieces of styrene to the Accurail underframes draft gear to make Buffers. After these cured I trimmed each piece to match the width of the draft gear and rounded their corners. To make the triangular ribs I glued four lengths of .010 x .030 strip. Again these are longish pieces that will get trimmed after they have cured. Then I used my close cutting sprue nippers to cut them to shape. The largish bolt heads are the rivets found on the Dreadnaught end of the Athearn boxcar where the two sections of the ends are joined. With everything in place I flooded the surface w/liquid Testors glue to melt the structure so that would appear to be a casting.

For the rivets on the two Gussets Plates and the Batten Strips I did my usual “rivet harvest” from the ancient “Blue Box” Athearn box car. Testors is the perfect glue for this task because it does not flame off immediately so I can put down a dot of glue, pick up a rivet with my spit loaded dulled Testors hobby knife and place it on the tiny dot of glue. Once these have dried, I try to flick them off with my dulled knife. If I fail, I am successful in placing them.

Okay, that's all today from The Boys. . .
Bill Welch

Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build: Part Two—Adding Some Details

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bill and List Members,
 
Thanks Bill for the write-up. I always learn something new from your posts to the list.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Welch
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 5:25 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build: Part Two—Adding Some Details

With the basic superstructure assembled The Boys have started adding details. If you have looked at photos of my various models you will know I am obsessive about Sill Steps: They must be as close to the prototype being modeled as possible. The corner must be square, not rounded (unless it is a Mather stock car or boxcar). If the are angled out on the real thing, they must be angled on the model. On the P&N model they are very similar if not identical to the bottom mounted sill steps used on both types of USRA wood sheathed cars and their aspect ratio is more-or-less square and they are angled out from the side sill. I use .010 x .030 strip styrene to make their attachment flange using a longish piece that gives me a handle making it easier to get them into place. A rivet harvested from an Athearn boxcar serves as an attachment bolt head. To reshape the A-Line brass parts I anneal them in a flame and straighten out flat. Because this is a very common looking step, I have a couple of notches filed in the pliers I use to bend them so the part is placed in the same place when I bend it and they all turn out the same width.

I had already glued “L” shaped pieces of styrene to the Accurail underframes draft gear to make Buffers. After these cured I trimmed each piece to match the width of the draft gear and rounded their corners. To make the triangular ribs I glued four lengths of .010 x .030 strip. Again these are longish pieces that will get trimmed after they have cured. Then I used my close cutting sprue nippers to cut them to shape. The largish bolt heads are the rivets found on the Dreadnaught end of the Athearn boxcar where the two sections of the ends are joined. With everything in place I flooded the surface w/liquid Testors glue to melt the structure so that would appear to be a casting.

For the rivets on the two Gussets Plates and the Batten Strips I did my usual “rivet harvest” from the ancient “Blue Box” Athearn box car. Testors is the perfect glue for this task because it does not flame off immediately so I can put down a dot of glue, pick up a rivet with my spit loaded dulled Testors hobby knife and place it on the tiny dot of glue. Once these have dried, I try to flick them off with my dulled knife. If I fail, I am successful in placing them.

Okay, that's all today from The Boys. . .
Bill Welch

Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Donald B. Valentine
 

    Thanks for that photo Curt. I never cease to be amazed of the great freight car photos that turn up on this list.
This one is a real surprise. But look at the end of the next car to the right. I can't believe the reporting marks are
NYC because the first letter is hidden, the second looks more like a "W" but the third certainly is a "C". The
number appears to be #8008 whch again tels me it is not an NYC car. But the end itself is a prize! There are
two sections with five ribs each on the bottom, then a section with only two ribs surmounted by a final section
with five ribs. The car is obviously taller than the P&N car which my July 1959 ORER tells me had a maximum
height if 13 ft. 9 in. for the running board. Guess the brake wheel didn't count! The ORER also tells me that there
were 15 cars of this type still present at that time and lists the ten numbers that were vacant. I presume this
indicates thet there were 25 cars purchased second hand sometime in the late 1940's or very early 1950's as
the road had no boxcars for a period after WW II. Two neat cars but I'd love to know what the other is and would
not be surprised to find it is an auto car.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Eric Hansmann
 

Possibly the marks are C&WC for Charleston & Western Carolina.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On August 30, 2019 at 5:11 AM "Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io" <riverman_vt@...> wrote:

    Thanks for that photo Curt. I never cease to be amazed of the great freight car photos that turn up on this list.
This one is a real surprise. But look at the end of the next car to the right. I can't believe the reporting marks are
NYC because the first letter is hidden, the second looks more like a "W" but the third certainly is a "C". The
number appears to be #8008 whch again tels me it is not an NYC car. But the end itself is a prize! There are
two sections with five ribs each on the bottom, then a section with only two ribs surmounted by a final section
with five ribs. The car is obviously taller than the P&N car which my July 1959 ORER tells me had a maximum
height if 13 ft. 9 in. for the running board. Guess the brake wheel didn't count! The ORER also tells me that there
were 15 cars of this type still present at that time and lists the ten numbers that were vacant. I presume this
indicates thet there were 25 cars purchased second hand sometime in the late 1940's or very early 1950's as
the road had no boxcars for a period after WW II. Two neat cars but I'd love to know what the other is and would
not be surprised to find it is an auto car.

Cordially, Don Valentine


 



Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build PartOne

BillM
 

That would make sense for a P&N car especially in the South. In Anderson SC the C&WC, Blue Ridge(SR) and P&N all interchanged and each had a small yard.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 8:24 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build PartOne

 

Possibly the marks are C&WC for Charleston & Western Carolina.

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

On August 30, 2019 at 5:11 AM "Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io" <riverman_vt@...> wrote:

    Thanks for that photo Curt. I never cease to be amazed of the great freight car photos that turn up on this list.

This one is a real surprise. But look at the end of the next car to the right. I can't believe the reporting marks are

NYC because the first letter is hidden, the second looks more like a "W" but the third certainly is a "C". The

number appears to be #8008 whch again tels me it is not an NYC car. But the end itself is a prize! There are

two sections with five ribs each on the bottom, then a section with only two ribs surmounted by a final section

with five ribs. The car is obviously taller than the P&N car which my July 1959 ORER tells me had a maximum

height if 13 ft. 9 in. for the running board. Guess the brake wheel didn't count! The ORER also tells me that there

were 15 cars of this type still present at that time and lists the ten numbers that were vacant. I presume this

indicates thet there were 25 cars purchased second hand sometime in the late 1940's or very early 1950's as

the road had no boxcars for a period after WW II. Two neat cars but I'd love to know what the other is and would

not be surprised to find it is an auto car.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine


 

 

 

Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Don,
 
It looks like a rebuilt USRA boxcar with the extra two rib panel added to the end to raise the height of the car.  A likely target could be C&WC 9069, part of a series 9000-9146, rebuilt USRA double sheathed boxcars that became auto boxes with double doors.  See
 
 
Hope this helps.
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 6:11 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

    Thanks for that photo Curt. I never cease to be amazed of the great freight car photos that turn up on this list.
This one is a real surprise. But look at the end of the next car to the right. I can't believe the reporting marks are
NYC because the first letter is hidden, the second looks more like a "W" but the third certainly is a "C". The
number appears to be #8008 whch again tels me it is not an NYC car. But the end itself is a prize! There are
two sections with five ribs each on the bottom, then a section with only two ribs surmounted by a final section
with five ribs. The car is obviously taller than the P&N car which my July 1959 ORER tells me had a maximum
height if 13 ft. 9 in. for the running board. Guess the brake wheel didn't count! The ORER also tells me that there
were 15 cars of this type still present at that time and lists the ten numbers that were vacant. I presume this
indicates thet there were 25 cars purchased second hand sometime in the late 1940's or very early 1950's as
the road had no boxcars for a period after WW II. Two neat cars but I'd love to know what the other is and would
not be surprised to find it is an auto car.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Bill Welch
 

Tp clarify about the ID of the car coupled to the P&N DS car, I have a print of this photo and indeed it is a C&WC rebuild. Further I should note I am doing the earlier scheme as seen in the attached thanks again to Dr. Campbell who made the decals for me.

Bill Welch

Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Paul Doggett
 

Bill 

What are the trucks? 

Paul 


On 30 Aug 2019, at 16:45, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Tp clarify about the ID of the car coupled to the P&N DS car, I have a print of this photo and indeed it is a C&WC rebuild. Further I should note I am doing the earlier scheme as seen in the attached thanks again to Dr. Campbell who made the decals for me.

Bill Welch

Attachments:

Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Bill Welch
 
Edited

Some form of T-section I think. My model is not that car as that car has Hutchins ends. It merely illustrates the scheme I will use. My model will have USRA Andrews from Tahoe.

Bill Welch

Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Paul Doggett
 

Bill

Thank you I have not seen any like them but no doubt someone will recognise them.

Paul Doggett 


On 30 Aug 2019, at 17:21, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Some from of T-section I think. My is not that car as that car has Hutchins ends. It merely illustrates the scheme I will use. My model will have USRA Andrews from Tahoe.

Bill Welch

Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Bill and Paul,

The side frames are "C.S. Integral Box" design, or so says the data on these cars in Million and Paton's PERE MARQUETTE REVENUE FREIGHT CARS. I presume that "C.S." means Cambria Steel, though it could easily mean something else. Yes, it appears to be some sort of "T" or "L" section design. The car was rated for 80,000 lbs, so one presumes these are 40-ton trucks.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff
 

On 8/30/2019 12:21 PM, Bill Welch wrote:
Some from of T-section I think. My is not that car as that car has Hutchins ends. It merely illustrates the scheme I will use. My model will have USRA Andrews from Tahoe.

Bill Welch

Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Could be Cast Steel, also.  Could the be, literally, Bettendorf trucks with Simplex bolsters.
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 2:33 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Bill and Paul,

The side frames are "C.S. Integral Box" design, or so says the data on these cars in Million and Paton's PERE MARQUETTE REVENUE FREIGHT CARS. I presume that "C.S." means Cambria Steel, though it could easily mean something else. Yes, it appears to be some sort of "T" or "L" section design. The car was rated for 80,000 lbs, so one presumes these are 40-ton trucks.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff
 

On 8/30/2019 12:21 PM, Bill Welch wrote:
Some from of T-section I think. My is not that car as that car has Hutchins ends. It merely illustrates the scheme I will use. My model will have USRA Andrews from Tahoe.

Bill Welch

Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

brianleppert@att.net
 

The "C.S." stands for cast steel, which describes most trucks.

  I've felt these are late versions of Bettendorf T Section trucks, where instead of the upper chords terminating at the upper inboard corners of the journal boxes, the top profile extends over the boxes and curves down into the upper outer corners.  The whole side frame profile is similar to early U section one piece side frames.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Paul Doggett
 

Garth

Thank you for answer.

Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Guy Wilber
 

Garth Groff wrote:

“The side frames are "C.S. Integral Box" design, or so says the data on these cars in Million and Paton's PERE MARQUETTE REVENUE FREIGHT CARS.”

“Cast Steel” is more likely which is about as helpful as using “ARA” or “AAR” truck to label a manufacturers’ side frame.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada

Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Schleigh Mike
 

Hello Group!

The P&N 1101 car is surely an intriguing car and Bill is doing a nice job on the model as his reported work already attests.

I have handy at the moment only my October 1958 ORER and these cars therein are listed as PN 1100-1124, 15 cars.  Helpfully, the "vacant" numbers are also listed.  These are the only cars listed for the P&N.  However, another note indicates, "Freight cars owned are not used in interchange service."  This being the case, it would seem likely that these 15 cars were for on-line LCL service and not ever found off-line unless for some other dedicated (return when empty to PN Ry.) service.  Is there any objective evidence that these cars did go off-line?  If not, does such reality quench interest in modeling such a car?  Obviously, this is not an issue with one modeling the P&N.  Of course, in an earlier time, perhaps these cars were out there roaming.  Is this known?

Regards from Grove City, Penna.    Mike Schleigh


On Thursday, August 29, 2019, 1:50:03 PM EDT, Curt Fortenberry <curtfortenberry@...> wrote: