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Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Donald B. Valentine
 

    Thanks for that photo Curt. I never cease to be amazed of the great freight car photos that turn up on this list.
This one is a real surprise. But look at the end of the next car to the right. I can't believe the reporting marks are
NYC because the first letter is hidden, the second looks more like a "W" but the third certainly is a "C". The
number appears to be #8008 whch again tels me it is not an NYC car. But the end itself is a prize! There are
two sections with five ribs each on the bottom, then a section with only two ribs surmounted by a final section
with five ribs. The car is obviously taller than the P&N car which my July 1959 ORER tells me had a maximum
height if 13 ft. 9 in. for the running board. Guess the brake wheel didn't count! The ORER also tells me that there
were 15 cars of this type still present at that time and lists the ten numbers that were vacant. I presume this
indicates thet there were 25 cars purchased second hand sometime in the late 1940's or very early 1950's as
the road had no boxcars for a period after WW II. Two neat cars but I'd love to know what the other is and would
not be surprised to find it is an auto car.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Eric Hansmann
 

Possibly the marks are C&WC for Charleston & Western Carolina.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On August 30, 2019 at 5:11 AM "Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io" <riverman_vt@...> wrote:

    Thanks for that photo Curt. I never cease to be amazed of the great freight car photos that turn up on this list.
This one is a real surprise. But look at the end of the next car to the right. I can't believe the reporting marks are
NYC because the first letter is hidden, the second looks more like a "W" but the third certainly is a "C". The
number appears to be #8008 whch again tels me it is not an NYC car. But the end itself is a prize! There are
two sections with five ribs each on the bottom, then a section with only two ribs surmounted by a final section
with five ribs. The car is obviously taller than the P&N car which my July 1959 ORER tells me had a maximum
height if 13 ft. 9 in. for the running board. Guess the brake wheel didn't count! The ORER also tells me that there
were 15 cars of this type still present at that time and lists the ten numbers that were vacant. I presume this
indicates thet there were 25 cars purchased second hand sometime in the late 1940's or very early 1950's as
the road had no boxcars for a period after WW II. Two neat cars but I'd love to know what the other is and would
not be surprised to find it is an auto car.

Cordially, Don Valentine


 



Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build PartOne

BillM
 

That would make sense for a P&N car especially in the South. In Anderson SC the C&WC, Blue Ridge(SR) and P&N all interchanged and each had a small yard.

 

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From: Eric Hansmann
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Possibly the marks are C&WC for Charleston & Western Carolina.

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

On August 30, 2019 at 5:11 AM "Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io" <riverman_vt@...> wrote:

    Thanks for that photo Curt. I never cease to be amazed of the great freight car photos that turn up on this list.

This one is a real surprise. But look at the end of the next car to the right. I can't believe the reporting marks are

NYC because the first letter is hidden, the second looks more like a "W" but the third certainly is a "C". The

number appears to be #8008 whch again tels me it is not an NYC car. But the end itself is a prize! There are

two sections with five ribs each on the bottom, then a section with only two ribs surmounted by a final section

with five ribs. The car is obviously taller than the P&N car which my July 1959 ORER tells me had a maximum

height if 13 ft. 9 in. for the running board. Guess the brake wheel didn't count! The ORER also tells me that there

were 15 cars of this type still present at that time and lists the ten numbers that were vacant. I presume this

indicates thet there were 25 cars purchased second hand sometime in the late 1940's or very early 1950's as

the road had no boxcars for a period after WW II. Two neat cars but I'd love to know what the other is and would

not be surprised to find it is an auto car.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine


 

 

 

Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Don,
 
It looks like a rebuilt USRA boxcar with the extra two rib panel added to the end to raise the height of the car.  A likely target could be C&WC 9069, part of a series 9000-9146, rebuilt USRA double sheathed boxcars that became auto boxes with double doors.  See
 
 
Hope this helps.
 
Steve Hile



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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

    Thanks for that photo Curt. I never cease to be amazed of the great freight car photos that turn up on this list.
This one is a real surprise. But look at the end of the next car to the right. I can't believe the reporting marks are
NYC because the first letter is hidden, the second looks more like a "W" but the third certainly is a "C". The
number appears to be #8008 whch again tels me it is not an NYC car. But the end itself is a prize! There are
two sections with five ribs each on the bottom, then a section with only two ribs surmounted by a final section
with five ribs. The car is obviously taller than the P&N car which my July 1959 ORER tells me had a maximum
height if 13 ft. 9 in. for the running board. Guess the brake wheel didn't count! The ORER also tells me that there
were 15 cars of this type still present at that time and lists the ten numbers that were vacant. I presume this
indicates thet there were 25 cars purchased second hand sometime in the late 1940's or very early 1950's as
the road had no boxcars for a period after WW II. Two neat cars but I'd love to know what the other is and would
not be surprised to find it is an auto car.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Bill Welch
 

Tp clarify about the ID of the car coupled to the P&N DS car, I have a print of this photo and indeed it is a C&WC rebuild. Further I should note I am doing the earlier scheme as seen in the attached thanks again to Dr. Campbell who made the decals for me.

Bill Welch

Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Paul Doggett
 

Bill 

What are the trucks? 

Paul 


On 30 Aug 2019, at 16:45, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Tp clarify about the ID of the car coupled to the P&N DS car, I have a print of this photo and indeed it is a C&WC rebuild. Further I should note I am doing the earlier scheme as seen in the attached thanks again to Dr. Campbell who made the decals for me.

Bill Welch

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Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Bill Welch
 
Edited

Some form of T-section I think. My model is not that car as that car has Hutchins ends. It merely illustrates the scheme I will use. My model will have USRA Andrews from Tahoe.

Bill Welch

Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Paul Doggett
 

Bill

Thank you I have not seen any like them but no doubt someone will recognise them.

Paul Doggett 


On 30 Aug 2019, at 17:21, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Some from of T-section I think. My is not that car as that car has Hutchins ends. It merely illustrates the scheme I will use. My model will have USRA Andrews from Tahoe.

Bill Welch

Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Bill and Paul,

The side frames are "C.S. Integral Box" design, or so says the data on these cars in Million and Paton's PERE MARQUETTE REVENUE FREIGHT CARS. I presume that "C.S." means Cambria Steel, though it could easily mean something else. Yes, it appears to be some sort of "T" or "L" section design. The car was rated for 80,000 lbs, so one presumes these are 40-ton trucks.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff
 

On 8/30/2019 12:21 PM, Bill Welch wrote:
Some from of T-section I think. My is not that car as that car has Hutchins ends. It merely illustrates the scheme I will use. My model will have USRA Andrews from Tahoe.

Bill Welch

Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Could be Cast Steel, also.  Could the be, literally, Bettendorf trucks with Simplex bolsters.
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 2:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Bill and Paul,

The side frames are "C.S. Integral Box" design, or so says the data on these cars in Million and Paton's PERE MARQUETTE REVENUE FREIGHT CARS. I presume that "C.S." means Cambria Steel, though it could easily mean something else. Yes, it appears to be some sort of "T" or "L" section design. The car was rated for 80,000 lbs, so one presumes these are 40-ton trucks.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff
 

On 8/30/2019 12:21 PM, Bill Welch wrote:
Some from of T-section I think. My is not that car as that car has Hutchins ends. It merely illustrates the scheme I will use. My model will have USRA Andrews from Tahoe.

Bill Welch

Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

brianleppert@att.net
 

The "C.S." stands for cast steel, which describes most trucks.

  I've felt these are late versions of Bettendorf T Section trucks, where instead of the upper chords terminating at the upper inboard corners of the journal boxes, the top profile extends over the boxes and curves down into the upper outer corners.  The whole side frame profile is similar to early U section one piece side frames.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Paul Doggett
 

Garth

Thank you for answer.

Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Guy Wilber
 

Garth Groff wrote:

“The side frames are "C.S. Integral Box" design, or so says the data on these cars in Million and Paton's PERE MARQUETTE REVENUE FREIGHT CARS.”

“Cast Steel” is more likely which is about as helpful as using “ARA” or “AAR” truck to label a manufacturers’ side frame.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada

Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Schleigh Mike
 

Hello Group!

The P&N 1101 car is surely an intriguing car and Bill is doing a nice job on the model as his reported work already attests.

I have handy at the moment only my October 1958 ORER and these cars therein are listed as PN 1100-1124, 15 cars.  Helpfully, the "vacant" numbers are also listed.  These are the only cars listed for the P&N.  However, another note indicates, "Freight cars owned are not used in interchange service."  This being the case, it would seem likely that these 15 cars were for on-line LCL service and not ever found off-line unless for some other dedicated (return when empty to PN Ry.) service.  Is there any objective evidence that these cars did go off-line?  If not, does such reality quench interest in modeling such a car?  Obviously, this is not an issue with one modeling the P&N.  Of course, in an earlier time, perhaps these cars were out there roaming.  Is this known?

Regards from Grove City, Penna.    Mike Schleigh


On Thursday, August 29, 2019, 1:50:03 PM EDT, Curt Fortenberry <curtfortenberry@...> wrote:


Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

mike turner
 

My guess about the car to the left is it's a caboose with the left half of the X number visible. Some subsidiary of Southern maybe.




On Thursday, August 29, 2019, 1:50:03 PM EDT, Curt Fortenberry <curtfortenberry@...> wrote:


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Mike Turner
MP-Z35

Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Tony Thompson
 

Achleigh Mike wrote:

I have handy at the moment only my October 1958 ORER and these cars therein are listed as PN 1100-1124, 15 cars.  Helpfully, the "vacant" numbers are also listed.  These are the only cars listed for the P&N.  However, another note indicates, "Freight cars owned are not used in interchange service."  

In April 1950, the ORER shows all 25 cars but has the same note about interchange that Mike quotes. In a 1940 ORER, the P&N listings says "Freight Cars Owned:  None."

Tony Thompson



Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Donald B. Valentine
 

   Thank you Steve Hile not only for coming up with the reporting marks and car number that I could not quite make out but also for the reference to a great site for freight car photos. I've just spent an hour in that treasure trove and felt like a kid in a candy store.
Hard to find that many photos from the late 1940's to the mid 1950's in one place today. What a super site!

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 Styrene and Resin Build Part One

Bill Welch
 

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 05:46 PM, Schleigh Mike wrote:
 
Hello Group!
 
The P&N 1101 car is surely an intriguing car and Bill is doing a nice job on the model as his reported work already attests.
 
I have handy at the moment only my October 1958 ORER and these cars therein are listed as PN 1100-1124, 15 cars.  Helpfully, the "vacant" numbers are also listed.  These are the only cars listed for the P&N.  However, another note indicates, "Freight cars owned are not used in interchange service."  This being the case, it would seem likely that these 15 cars were for on-line LCL service and not ever found off-line unless for some other dedicated (return when empty to PN Ry.) service.  Is there any objective evidence that these cars did go off-line?  If not, does such reality quench interest in modeling such a car?  Obviously, this is not an issue with one modeling the P&N.  Of course, in an earlier time, perhaps these cars were out there roaming.  Is this known?
 
Regards from Grove City, Penna.    Mike Schleigh
 
I could care less if the real thing interchanged. Model RR'ing is play for me.
Bill Welch

Re: 3/4 improved dreadnaught endo for a 10'-0" IH boxcar

Greg Martin
 

Exactly Tony and I believe they offer it as a separate part.

It was always on Richard list of purpose project we developed over Labor Day weekend and it has yet to be offered... go figure.

Greg Martin


Why Yes I have done some modeling...

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In a message dated 8/26/2019 5:49:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, tony@... writes:



Isn’t that the end on the IM 12-panel box car?
Tony Thompson 



On Aug 26, 2019, at 4:58 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Does anyone make such a product?
Fenton Wells

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Re: Terms For Freight Car Parts

Greg Martin
 

You know everytime this subject comes up, and it does seem to be often (perhaps because I loathe it) I ask myself how does this improve/enhance my modeling?

I respect the use of the terms -- proper -- but when I am talking shop with the crew models terms see to mean and the use of the terms really don't improve the finished model. When I give a clinic I try to focus on the proper, likely because schools in.

Greg Martin



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io" <chiefbobbb@...>
Date: 8/24/19 11:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Terms For Freight Car Parts

Well, your dissertation on the word "proper" is all well and good.

But I never used the word "proper" nor did anyone else in this discussion to date. But I do get your point.

I already knew the Master Car Builders preferred running board(s). Maybe somebody else has an authoritative reference for roof walk. (Athearn doesn't count.)

Sill step vs. stirrup I wasn't so certain about and you appear to have a strong reference source.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


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Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

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