Re: Flat car sides
Richard Townsend
Don, I'll be in DC next week and will check it out. Somewhere downstairs in my stash is an old Dynamodels HO scale sow with piglets. With an ear-ectomy I will have the proper material to work with. It'll be a bit fussy, but it's nice to know there's a prototype to have in mind. Thanks for your suggestion.
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
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From: Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> To: main <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Sent: Sat, Aug 31, 2019 7:22 pm Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flat car sides Actually Richard if you take a trip to the Smithsonian you can see a silk purse that Dupont
IIRC made from a sow's ear. I do not know if it was transported there in a STMFC freight car.
Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: Flat car sides
Mainline Modeler - 11/1997 pp.26-29 Greg Martin makes improvements to the model to represent the AAR 50 ton flatcar C&O #80694; with HO scale drawings Mainline Modeler - 7/1992 pp.72-76 article has descriptions of improvements to the model to make it a better replica; with scale drawings Mainline Modeler - 7/1991 pp.29-32 simple changes to underframe and new ends to model a CB&Q FM-13 flatcar; with HO scale drawings
On 8/31/2019 9:09 PM, Bill Welch wrote:
Based on article I found in the hobby press—don't remember which magazine or date of—I used the Concor flat to create a very nice and I believe accurate, based on the article, a CB&Q flat car. The kit by that time was intended to be in TOFC service so I had to fill some holes in the deck. I installed new sill steps, grabs, etc. --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: SAL "STB" Logo on Boxcars
Not later than 1959... perhaps earlier
On 8/31/2019 7:19 PM, Allen Cain wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Mathieson Tank Cars
pennsylvania1954
Hi Bruce--I think you will find everything you want to know on these links.
https://www.kadee.com/STL2016RPM/11K-Gal._ICC-105A_ACF_Type%2027.pdf https://www.kadee.com/STL2016RPM/ACF105A-road.pdf https://www.kadee.com/STL2016RPM/ACF105A-lot.pdf -- Steve Hoxie Pensacola FL
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Re: Mathieson Tank Cars
Per Ed Hawkins handout on the Kadee site. You are good. You could do 10 cars total :)
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On Aug 31, 2019, at 11:36 PM, Bruce Griffin <bdg1210@...> wrote:
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Re: Mathieson Tank Cars
Bruce Griffin
Friends,
To close the loop on this thread, I ended up just buying a second Kadee ACF 11k insulated tank car with the same number as the first for the same bargain price of $30. I assumed there was a SHPX 2571 roaming the rails with SHPX 2570. I don’t have access to all of my data so if anyone can confirm, it would be good to know, but I assume this to be true in 1950. I was able to easily remove the zero and replace it with a one. I will chronicle this in an upcoming blog. There were Mathieson plants shipping and recieving anhydrous ammonia at either end of my modeled section of the B&O Old Main Line, so these cars are appropriate for through freights in my 1950 era. Thank you for the insights. Best Regards, Bruce Griffin Ashland, MD PS for my PRR and NCR friends, I biked the RofW from Ashland 21 miles north to New Freedom and had lunch in the old station before heading home.
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Re: Accurail part#131 36' floor parts
Robert kirkham
Thanks Dennis! Good to know!
Rob
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 6:51 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Accurail part#131 36' floor parts
On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 11:10 AM, Robert kirkham wrote:
Rob, Eric correctly answered you question about the parts. When you get them, you'll note that there are four cross tie parts, but only three slots. The initial planning for the molds used the old Mainline Modeler drawings of the CPR Fowler
carss for reference... and the CPR cars used four cross ties. When I actually had better builders drawings in hand, I came to realize that the Fowler cars built for US roads used only three cross ties, but I left the fourth part in case anyone wanted to use
it. You'll have to fill the mounting slots with some strip styrene.
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Re: Flat car sides
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
Actually Richard if you take a trip to the Smithsonian you can see a silk purse that Dupont IIRC made from a sow's ear. I do not know if it was transported there in a STMFC freight car. Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: Accurail part#131 36' floor parts
Dennis Storzek
On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 11:10 AM, Robert kirkham wrote:
Was looking at the Accurail site, and considering ordering their 36’ floors and brake sprues to retrofit some non-Accurail Fowler cars I have.Rob, Eric correctly answered you question about the parts. When you get them, you'll note that there are four cross tie parts, but only three slots. The initial planning for the molds used the old Mainline Modeler drawings of the CPR Fowler carss for reference... and the CPR cars used four cross ties. When I actually had better builders drawings in hand, I came to realize that the Fowler cars built for US roads used only three cross ties, but I left the fourth part in case anyone wanted to use it. You'll have to fill the mounting slots with some strip styrene. Dennis Storzek
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Re: Flat car sides
Bill Welch
Based on article I found in the hobby press—don't remember which magazine or date of—I used the Concor flat to create a very nice and I believe accurate, based on the article, a CB&Q flat car. The kit by that time was intended to be in TOFC service so I had to fill some holes in the deck. I installed new sill steps, grabs, etc.
Bill Welch
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Re: SAL "STB" Logo on Boxcars
Allen Cain
Thanks Tim, any idea when this marking first appeared on SAL boxcars? Allen Cain
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Re: Flat car sides
Richard Townsend
I know they are sow's ears, but I like making silk purses and am hoping for a prototype. Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
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From: Garth Groff <sarahsan@...> To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Sent: Sat, Aug 31, 2019 1:50 pm Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flat car sides
Richard,
Consider WP 50' flat cars 2351-2400 (PC&F, 1937) and identical 2401-2700 (AC&F, 1942). The slope started just outboard of the 3rd stake pocket, actually just about mid-way between the truck spring pack and the journal box, and sloped down to even with the 5th stake pocket. Being 50' cars, they had 16 pockets on each side: https://wplives.org/collectionpageimages/freightcarimages/flatcars/wpmw_8674_022709_DSC_4645.jpg . Chad Boas offers a partial resin kit for these cars--underframe, sides and end sills cast in one piece, with a one-piece scribed wooden deck. You supply everything else. I had one of the Con-Cor/Revell flat cars, and seem to remember the side sill was very deep, maybe because the the deck rode high, making the the narrow end parts of the side sill taller than they should have been. Model Power? Well, what else can I say . . . . it's Model Power. Yours Aye, Garth Groff On 8/31/2019 2:29 PM, Richard Townsend
via Groups.Io wrote:
Both
the Revell/Concor (53'6") and Model Power (50') flat cars have
sides where the slope down to the fishbelly begins at about the
third stake pocket from the end and reaches full depth between
the fourth and fifth stake pockets. Question: were there ANY
prototype flat cars of ANY length that had sides like that? All
I have seen have much shallower slopes to the full depth.
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
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Two Single Sheathed Boxcars with Spliced Youngstown Doors
gary laakso
While at the angle of the picture, the doors seem to be spliced, they could be door and a half. Does anyone recognize these cars? The side ladders are short with 7 steps and likely two grab irons.
You need to click on the picture to increase its size.
Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
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Re: Flat car sides
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Richard,
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Consider WP 50' flat cars 2351-2400 (PC&F, 1937) and identical 2401-2700 (AC&F, 1942). The slope started just outboard of the 3rd stake pocket, actually just about mid-way between the truck spring pack and the journal box, and sloped down to even with the 5th stake pocket. Being 50' cars, they had 16 pockets on each side: https://wplives.org/collectionpageimages/freightcarimages/flatcars/wpmw_8674_022709_DSC_4645.jpg . Chad Boas offers a partial resin kit for these cars--underframe, sides and end sills cast in one piece, with a one-piece scribed wooden deck. You supply everything else. I had one of the Con-Cor/Revell flat cars, and seem to remember the side sill was very deep, maybe because the the deck rode high, making the the narrow end parts of the side sill taller than they should have been. Model Power? Well, what else can I say . . . . it's Model Power. Yours Aye, Garth Groff
On 8/31/2019 2:29 PM, Richard Townsend
via Groups.Io wrote:
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Re: Accurail part#131 36' floor parts
Robert kirkham
Thanks Eric
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 11:16 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Accurail part#131 36' floor parts
The straight underframe part is the same as the Fowler kit underframes. There are a few extra parts. Overall the main underframe casting is the same for the three different 36-foot Accurail boxcar kits. The centersill, cross member, and brake hardware parts are what varies between the straight and fishbelly centersill versions.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
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Flat car sides
Richard Townsend
Both the Revell/Concor (53'6") and Model Power (50') flat cars have sides where the slope down to the fishbelly begins at about the third stake pocket from the end and reaches full depth between the fourth and fifth stake pockets. Question: were there ANY prototype flat cars of ANY length that had sides like that? All I have seen have much shallower slopes to the full depth. Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
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Re: Accurail part#131 36' floor parts
Eric Hansmann
The straight underframe part is the same as the Fowler kit underframes. There are a few extra parts. Overall the main underframe casting is the same for the three different 36-foot Accurail boxcar kits. The centersill, cross member, and brake hardware parts are what varies between the straight and fishbelly centersill versions. Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
On August 31, 2019 at 12:10 PM Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
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Accurail part#131 36' floor parts
Robert kirkham
Was looking at the Accurail site, and considering ordering their 36’ floors and brake sprues to retrofit some non-Accurail Fowler cars I have. I had some questions about the parts. It isn’t entirely clear to me that the part #131 36’ straight underframe and detail set is the same part as used on their #1100 series Fowler cars. The listings are at: http://www.accurail.com/accurail/parts.htm.
Has anyone ordered the parts and able to answer whether they are the same or explain the differences?
Obviously, this is a project that will require some part modifications, so I’m not too fussy here. Just trying to avoid ordering the wrong stuff.
Rob Kirkham
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Re: SAL "STB" Logo on Boxcars
They are just a particular brand of "damage free" load devices Spartan Loader: SL Spartan Easy Loader: SEL Spartan Tri Belt: STB =====================================
On 8/31/2019 1:14 PM, Allen Cain wrote:
When did the "STB" emblem appear on SAL boxcars? Also, what does it designate? --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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SAL "STB" Logo on Boxcars
Allen Cain
When did the "STB" emblem appear on SAL boxcars? Also, what does it designate?
Allen Cain
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