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Re: Detailing Tichy 2-Bay USRA hopper

Bob Webber
 

CC&O, DL&W, LV, D&H, B&O, BR&P, P&R, NYC, ERR, NYNH&H & BLE are listed on the United States Standard lettering diagram for 55-ton hopper cars dated Oct. 1919 - stenciling drawings and details are also available. For this and Gons, Boxes, Cabooses (composite and steel, etc. Brake drawings, (including one for the 100-ton gon) Ventilated Box, Auto Car - so if The Boys so chose, they can get the information.

At 03:59 PM 9/5/2019, Bill Welch wrote:

A few years ago the Boys at the Clearwater Car Shops built a few of the Tichy USRA 2-bay hoppers for their favorite railroads. Some purest don’t like this kit because the two middle panels are wider than the other panels (legend has it that this was a compromise to related to getting enough room for the trucks). No matter, the Boys love this kit, as it requires only a few additional details to make it appropriate for the various railroads the boys work for. The L&N and Clinchfield owned the USRA cars while the L&N, NC&StL, and Tennessee Central owned copies—in the case of the L&N they owned thousands of copies.

The Boys built this model as a NC&StL car but they never got around to giving it a coat of Oxide Red paint. Recently the Boys got very excited when they discovered a photo of one of these cars stenciled for the Tennessee Central since up close photos of these cars in TC stenciling have proved to been very elusive. The rare photo revealed that the TC and NC&StL cars are identical down to their use of Two-Level Dalman trucks. The gears starting turning and they were able to persuade a friend to do a set of decals. So the Boys are now planning to paint this car black. Before they do so they suggested I share few photos so people can what they details they added.

On the sides they added Route Card Holders on the right end on the sill plus the carved styrene from the Bolsters to thin them. The Boys did their usual manipulating to A-Line Type “A� brass sill steps to duplicate those used on the prototype. On the right side they added the Airline Pipe, Pipe Brackets, and Pipe Union.

On the ends 0.005 styrene was used to create the Mounting Bracket for the Reservoir and Bracket for the Brake Staff. An A-Line Sill Step serves as a bracket at the bottom of the Brake Shaft while a Tichy nut/bolt/washer (NBW) serves to hold the brake wheel tight on the brake shaft. For some reason the ends are devoid of NBW detail so I added Detail Associates parts above where the end grab irons are installed. In looking the photos I see I still need to add a few NBW’s for the short and long left side grabs and for the long grab on the right side of each end. The model will ride on the beautiful Tahoe Dalman trucks.

Bill Welch

Attachments:
* <https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/166678/0>_1 Tichy USRA 2-bay hopper right side detail additions.JPG
* <https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/166678/1>_2 Tichy USRA 2-bay hopper Airline details.JPG
* <https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/166678/2>_3 Tichy USRA 2-bay hopper Sill Step.JPG
* <https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/166678/3>_4 Tichy USRA 2-bay hopper _B_ end details.JPG
* <https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/166678/4>_5Tichy USRA 2-bay hopper Air Reservoir bracket.JPG
* <https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/166678/5>_6 Tichy USRA 2-bay hopper brake shaft, brake wheel _ retainer valve details.JPG
Bob Webber

Detailing Tichy 2-Bay USRA hopper

Bill Welch
 

A few years ago the Boys at the Clearwater Car Shops built a few of the Tichy USRA 2-bay hoppers for their favorite railroads. Some purest don’t like this kit because the two middle panels are wider than the other panels (legend has it that this was a compromise to related to getting enough room for the trucks). No matter, the Boys love this kit, as it requires only a few additional details to make it appropriate for the various railroads the boys work for. The L&N and Clinchfield owned the USRA cars while the L&N, NC&StL, and Tennessee Central owned copies—in the case of the L&N they owned thousands of copies.

The Boys built this model as a NC&StL car but they never got around to giving it a coat of Oxide Red paint. Recently the Boys got very excited when they discovered a photo of one of these cars stenciled for the Tennessee Central since up close photos of these cars in TC stenciling have proved to been very elusive. The rare photo revealed that the TC and NC&StL cars are identical down to their use of Two-Level Dalman trucks. The gears starting turning and they were able to persuade a friend to do a set of decals. So the Boys are now planning to paint this car black. Before they do so they suggested I share few photos so people can what they details they added.

On the sides they added Route Card Holders on the right end on the sill plus the carved styrene from the Bolsters to thin them. The Boys did their usual manipulating to A-Line Type “A” brass sill steps to duplicate those used on the prototype. On the right side they added the Airline Pipe, Pipe Brackets, and Pipe Union.

On the ends 0.005 styrene was used to create the Mounting Bracket for the Reservoir and Bracket for the Brake Staff. An A-Line Sill Step serves as a bracket at the bottom of the Brake Shaft while a Tichy nut/bolt/washer (NBW) serves to hold the brake wheel tight on the brake shaft. For some reason the ends are devoid of NBW detail so I added Detail Associates parts above where the end grab irons are installed. In looking the photos I see I still need to add a few NBW’s for the short and long left side grabs and for the long grab on the right side of each end. The model will ride on the beautiful Tahoe Dalman trucks.

Bill Welch

Re: Crappy Job

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

“Well, I shoveled s417 in Louisiana” 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Sep 5, 2019, at 3:41 PM, Jim Gates via Groups.Io <jim.gates@...> wrote:


What did you do in the Great World War Two?

One extra point if you recognize the movie.

Jim Gates
On Thursday, September 5, 2019, 12:20:15 PM CDT, Matt Smith <flyn96@...> wrote:


From the Illinois Digital Archives - Pantagraph (Bloomington IL local paper) Collection.

Frisco gondola with manure being unloaded from Chicago 3/24/44.

This is a C&A siding near the Funk Bros Seed company on Bloomingtons west side. Download Available via link.

http://www.idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll35/id/34018/rec/310
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Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL

Re: Crappy Job

Jim Gates
 


What did you do in the Great World War Two?

One extra point if you recognize the movie.

Jim Gates

On Thursday, September 5, 2019, 12:20:15 PM CDT, Matt Smith <flyn96@...> wrote:


From the Illinois Digital Archives - Pantagraph (Bloomington IL local paper) Collection.

Frisco gondola with manure being unloaded from Chicago 3/24/44.

This is a C&A siding near the Funk Bros Seed company on Bloomingtons west side. Download Available via link.

http://www.idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll35/id/34018/rec/310
--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL

Re: Crappy Job

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Sep 5, 2019, at 11:21, Gary Roe <wabashrr@...> wrote:

The gondola must have been loaded on that siding behind city hall.
Crappy job, indeed, especially if the loading or unloading happened with human muscle power.

My late Dad worked at the Woodland, Yolo County, CA Spreckels plant up though the early 1950s and I can remember the pong of the beet pulp loads which went to a nearby feed lot where steersch[0] took the place of the pulp and then went to fields as icipient fertilizer.

[0] Dad’s term of endearment for the schtuff

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Re: Crappy Job

Gary Roe
 

The gondola must have been loaded on that siding behind city hall.

gary roe
quincy, illinois



On Thursday, September 5, 2019, 12:20:16 PM CDT, Matt Smith <flyn96@...> wrote:


From the Illinois Digital Archives - Pantagraph (Bloomington IL local paper) Collection.

Frisco gondola with manure being unloaded from Chicago 3/24/44.

This is a C&A siding near the Funk Bros Seed company on Bloomingtons west side. Download Available via link.

http://www.idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll35/id/34018/rec/310
--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL

Crappy Job

Matt Smith
 

From the Illinois Digital Archives - Pantagraph (Bloomington IL local paper) Collection.

Frisco gondola with manure being unloaded from Chicago 3/24/44.

This is a C&A siding near the Funk Bros Seed company on Bloomingtons west side. Download Available via link.

http://www.idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll35/id/34018/rec/310
--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL

Re: LifeLike 8000 gallon Tanks

Tim O'Connor
 

Bill

Just a historical note - some of the original Front Range kits were painted with
"Accupaint" (actually Fred B showed the supplier to SMP) but the pad print lettering
was done with another paint or ink. When I stripped them in Accupaint thinner (not
harmful to the plastic) the paint dropped off immediately - leaving the lettering
intact! Only with further stripping (I think Scalecoat or Chameleon paint remover) did
the lettering come off.





On 9/5/2019 6:44 AM, Bill Welch wrote:
Schuyler, I don't see how you can remove the lettering w/o removing the underlying silver. As Tim suggests it is in kit form, remove the paint and repaint. I have had great result removing paint on L-L kits w/91% Isopropyl Alcohol  BTW there are several L-L unassembled tank cars on eBay if you do need a kit form.

Bill Welch

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: LifeLike 8000 gallon Tanks

O Fenton Wells
 

Schuyler, have you tried Scalecoat paint remover?  I use it for removing paint and stripping cars.It will take off more than the lettering.

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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...

Re: LifeLike 8000 gallon Tanks

Bill Welch
 

Schuyler, I don't see how you can remove the lettering w/o removing the underlying silver. As Tim suggests it is in kit form, remove the paint and repaint. I have had great result removing paint on L-L kits w/91% Isopropyl Alcohol  BTW there are several L-L unassembled tank cars on eBay if you do need a kit form.

Bill Welch

Re: LifeLike 8000 gallon Tanks

Tim O'Connor
 


is it a kit or RTR?

if a kit, I'd just strip the tank and repaint it. Small amounts of lettering can be
removed easily enough with various techniques, but CONOCO is a lot to remove and
even if successful the underlying paint may still reveal it as "ghost" lettering.




On 9/4/2019 11:12 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io wrote:

I should have asked this years ago. 

 

I have a couple of these which are lettered CONOCO.  I would very much like to remove the lettering, but I’d also like not to lose the silver paint on the tank, because the scheme I will finish the car with is silver as well, with the same parting lines between the silver and the black frame.

 

However, I have tried everything I know has been recommended for removing lettering, short of my air eraser, to remove the lettering.  Nothing seemed to touch the lettering – or the silver paint, for that matter.

 

I’m reluctant to simply paint over the lettering, as it has some relief from the tank itself, and I’m pretty sure it would easily be visible as a “painted that over, huh?’ model.  Not the desired result.

 

Suggestions?

 

Schuyler



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

MDC 3-bay hopper mystery

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Everybody loves a good mystery, right?

I'm holding an old MDC rib-side 3-bay (HO) with the longitudinal ballast gates.  The crossdump version was long ago superseded by the Atlas 9-panel 3-bay (has there been anything better?), but I started this thing many years ago to make a Southern ballast hopper.  Made quite a bit of progress until I took a long look at those 9-panel sides (should be 10 on a ballast hopper) and realized I was going to have quite the problem making the eight large letters of the name SOUTHERN look right since they wouldn't be centered.  Oh well....on to the next project....

(Turns out FEC rebuilt some 9-panel crossdumps into ballast hoppers, so there is an after-the-fact sorta-prototype for this model.  But that happened long after 1960.)

(Get to the mystery, Blind Dog.)  So recently I dug it out of the heap to make it into a stand-in for another railroad that didn't exist before 1960 and pawn it off on a friend.

Looking the sides I see a little plate on the lower left side with the number 12 in raised letters. Huh?  And is this 12 on the other side?  Of course not.  It's 170.  

What the flying fudge are those supposed to mean?

And yes, they're on the crossdump version too. 


Scott Chatfield

LifeLike 8000 gallon Tanks

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I should have asked this years ago. 

 

I have a couple of these which are lettered CONOCO.  I would very much like to remove the lettering, but I’d also like not to lose the silver paint on the tank, because the scheme I will finish the car with is silver as well, with the same parting lines between the silver and the black frame.

 

However, I have tried everything I know has been recommended for removing lettering, short of my air eraser, to remove the lettering.  Nothing seemed to touch the lettering – or the silver paint, for that matter.

 

I’m reluctant to simply paint over the lettering, as it has some relief from the tank itself, and I’m pretty sure it would easily be visible as a “painted that over, huh?’ model.  Not the desired result.

 

Suggestions?

 

Schuyler

Latest from My Workbench - Tank Cars

Bruce Griffin
 

Friends,

Nothing too exciting for experienced modelers in my latest blog post about tank cars on my Modeling the B&O Old Main Line, but I did have success removing printed numbers from Kadee tank cars and media blasting plastic trucks with baking soda. A couple of thank yous to members of this group included. A nice distraction from ballasting trackwork. Take a look...

https://bomodeling.com/blog/

Best Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD

Mid-Atlantic Railroad Prototype Modelers Meet - Sep 19-22

Doug Chapman
 

The Mid-Atlantic Railroad Prototype Modelers meet will be held in Linthicum (Baltimore), Maryland on September 19-22, 2019.  Full information is available at http://www.marpm.org/


Two full days of clinics, lots of models on display, well-known vendors, operating sessions and open houses will be featured at this meet.  This is a great opportunity to share camaraderie, information and great models. You’ll enjoy this Railroad Prototype Modelers event. Hope to see you there!


Doug Chapman
MARPM Team

Re: [MFCL] EJ&E Open Hopper?

Steve and Barb Hile
 

The best description might be Rebuilt hopper.
 
In the 1954 ORER, EJ&E had about 1700 hoppers with identical dimensions in the series 40000 - 41699.  With a little digging and some help from Ed Hawkins I can find that
 
40000 - 40199 were built by Mt Vernon in 1937
40200 - 40799 were built by ACF in 1940
40800 - 41099 were built by Pullman Standard in 1940
41100 - 41399 were built by GATC in 1940
41400 - 41699 were built by Ralston in 1940
 
A builder's photo of 41400 side and end appears at the following interesting web site
 
 
It would appear that all of these cars could have been built to the same basic offset side and heaped end design with the hopper door spacing being of the Enterprise design, but the sides had eleven posts making them not an ARA Standard design or its derivatives.
 
At some later time, probably in the 1960's, some fraction of these cars were rebuilt with the external post sides and ends with a reduced capacity of 2140 cu ft as opposed to the 2338 original.  In a 1972 ORER there were 787 cars in this series, some with 50 ton trucks and some with 55 ton trucks.
 
Further details are left as an exercise for those interested.
 
Steve Hile



From: MFCL@groups.io [mailto:MFCL@groups.io] On Behalf Of brian_banna via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2019 1:23 PM
To: MFCL@groups.io
Subject: [MFCL] EJ&E Open Hopper?

Anyone have any idea what hopper this is? Who manufactured it or what its official name is?



I know it is not made in HO scale. Just curious on what to call it.

Brian

Re: Tugs on Flatcars

Jim Gates
 

A fairly decent website on the Army's small tugs: http://www.usarmysttugs.com/index.html

Jim Gates

On Tuesday, September 3, 2019, 1:29:56 PM CDT, Edward <edb8391@...> wrote:


And, the US Army's 'navy' included several ferryboats in NY Harbor, to serve the First Army base on Governor's Island.
At one time, Governor's Island also had a railroad of sorts, operated by the US Army and served by car float from Brooklyn.
It was phased out after WW I.

Ed B

Re: For sale

Matthew Hurst
 

The tender is an Oriental Limitied PRR class 210f82a Welded tender with the 3 man dog house and 8 wheel trucks.  This version also has the "Trainphone" equipment on it as well.

Matthew



On September 3, 2019, at 7:14 PM, Thomas Klosterman <tom.klosterman@...> wrote:


Is the M1 tender a long distance one or a short one?

Re: For sale

Thomas Klosterman
 

Is the M1 tender a long distance one or a short one?

Re: Tugs on Flatcars

Ken Vandevoort
 

On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 03:37 PM, Bill Welch wrote:
I did know the Army had its own Navy.

Bill Welch
The Air Force also had its own Navy.  Don't know if they still do, but the boats were part of Air Force Communications Service back in the late 60's.

Ken Vandevoort