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Re: [MFCL] ART #200 - #299 36 ft. reefer

Donald B. Valentine
 

Hi folks,

    I'm hoping that someone on this list might have a photo of an ART #200 - #299 36 ft. reefer in the postwar period.
Supposedly these cars had truss rods, if one can believe the Athearn/Roundhouse model. I believe the carbodies
were yellow and the roof & ends brown. The lettering, or mostly the herald, on the Athearn/aRoundhouse model
looks a little large for the postwar period, which is chief reason a photo fr that era is sought. It is shows the roof or
"B" end so much the better.

Thanks for any help that can be found, Don Valentine

Re: Crappy Job

 

Why would anyone want to ship a load of manure? ... or ... receive?... no political comment.

Gordon Spalty... city boy...:)

Re: Crappy Job

Charles Peck
 

The why?  Those stockyards had to get rid of it somehow and it was cheap fertilizer on the farm.
Chuck Peck

On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 9:55 PM Doc Bond <boomer1944@...> wrote:
Why would anyone want to ship a load of manure? ... or ... receive?... no political comment.

Gordon Spalty... city boy...:)

Re: Crappy Job

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 06:55 PM, Doc Bond wrote:
Why would anyone want to ship a load of manure?
Hey, for a while in the seventies or eighties the City of Chicago was shipping dried sewage treatment plant solids downstate for use as fertilizer... until it was discovered that the solids were rich in heavy metals, which were being taken up by the crops and entering our food chain. I recall the movement on the Illinois Central was known informally as the "ICBM".

Dennis Storzek

Re: Crappy Job

Patrick Wade
 

Perhaps needed by a seed company to feed seed corn plants or to throw down by a landscaper before planting a new lawn. As a kid in Cleveland in the 1950s I remember living in a new apartment development and all the bare lawns were given a cover of horse manure.

Pat Wade
Santa Barbara, CA

On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 6:55 PM Doc Bond <boomer1944@...> wrote:
Why would anyone want to ship a load of manure? ... or ... receive?... no political comment.

Gordon Spalty... city boy...:)

Oregon short line stock cars

Brad Andonian
 

Seeking any images or confirmation that 36 ‘ stock cars existed in the 1930/40 time period 

Many thanks
Brad Andonian 



Re: [MFCL] ART #200 - #299 36 ft. reefer

Ed Hawkins
 



On Sep 5, 2019, at 7:33 PM, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:

Hi folks,

    I'm hoping that someone on this list might have a photo of an ART #200 - #299 36 ft. reefer in the postwar period.
Supposedly these cars had truss rods, if one can believe the Athearn/Roundhouse model. I believe the carbodies
were yellow and the roof & ends brown. The lettering, or mostly the herald, on the Athearn/aRoundhouse model
looks a little large for the postwar period, which is chief reason a photo fr that era is sought. It is shows the roof or
"B" end so much the better.

Thanks for any help that can be found, Don Valentine

Don, 
In 1940 George Sisk photographed ART 247 from series 200-299, built in July 1930 by the Mount Vernon Car Manufacturing Co. The cars with wood sides & ends had steel fish-belly center sills. These cars never had truss rods.

A builder photo of ARTBX 299 was published on p. 177 of the 1931 Car Builders’ Cyclopedia & p. 188 of the 1937 CBC. The original ARTBX reporting marks were changed to ARTX by 2/32. The reporting marks became simply ART sometime after 7-38 to 5-40 per reweigh stencils on ART 247. 

The sides were yellow, and the ends & roof were brown (often referred to by ART as Inco Red). The 1940 photo appears much like the builder photo, except with normal “ART” reporting marks stencils used in 1940 and lacking the original Brine Tank stencils. Still used were Dairy Products stencils above the side door. 

The ART 247 photo is the only in-service photo from the 200-299 series I’ve come across. Regarding postwar schemes applied to these cars, it’s speculative to discuss given these cars were about 3 or 4 feet shorter in overall length than 40’ ART wood or steel refrigerator cars.

It seems logical to me that repainted cars in 1948-1950 would have received the added railroad monograms to the left of the door above the reporting marks. I'm dubious if the 1951 lettering with the larger Wabash flag and red & white MP “buzz-saw” emblem to the right of the door, which ART’s 40’ reefers received, would have all fit on these 200-299 series cars of shorter overall length.

Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins







Re: Crappy Job

passcars
 

I feel sorry for the gondola, "was" a nice car.  And the poor guys having to shovel the stuff out.  It's ripe and still cookin'.
Steve Peery

Re: [MFCL] ART #200 - #299 36 ft. reefer

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Don and Ed,

I have the following info from The Banner, that may or may not add new info beyond Ed's in-depth reply.




The Banner
Winter 1996
Pg 14

American Refrigerator Transit Co
12/1950 Information

Sheathing: wood
Series: 200
No of cars: 92
Blt: 8-30
Capacity: 8000
Service: dairy
Bunkers: half
Other: Stenciled over door DAIRY PRODUCTS  reference photo of ART 247 '37 CBC pg 188 photo of ARTBX 


Good luck on your project! 

Claus Schlund 



On Sep 6, 2019 02:02, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:


On Sep 5, 2019, at 7:33 PM, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:

Hi folks,

    I'm hoping that someone on this list might have a photo of an ART #200 - #299 36 ft. reefer in the postwar period.
Supposedly these cars had truss rods, if one can believe the Athearn/Roundhouse model. I believe the carbodies
were yellow and the roof & ends brown. The lettering, or mostly the herald, on the Athearn/aRoundhouse model
looks a little large for the postwar period, which is chief reason a photo fr that era is sought. It is shows the roof or
"B" end so much the better.

Thanks for any help that can be found, Don Valentine

Don, 
In 1940 George Sisk photographed ART 247 from series 200-299, built in July 1930 by the Mount Vernon Car Manufacturing Co. The cars with wood sides & ends had steel fish-belly center sills. These cars never had truss rods.

A builder photo of ARTBX 299 was published on p. 177 of the 1931 Car Builders’ Cyclopedia & p. 188 of the 1937 CBC. The original ARTBX reporting marks were changed to ARTX by 2/32. The reporting marks became simply ART sometime after 7-38 to 5-40 per reweigh stencils on ART 247. 

The sides were yellow, and the ends & roof were brown (often referred to by ART as Inco Red). The 1940 photo appears much like the builder photo, except with normal “ART” reporting marks stencils used in 1940 and lacking the original Brine Tank stencils. Still used were Dairy Products stencils above the side door. 

The ART 247 photo is the only in-service photo from the 200-299 series I’ve come across. Regarding postwar schemes applied to these cars, it’s speculative to discuss given these cars were about 3 or 4 feet shorter in overall length than 40’ ART wood or steel refrigerator cars.

It seems logical to me that repainted cars in 1948-1950 would have received the added railroad monograms to the left of the door above the reporting marks. I'm dubious if the 1951 lettering with the larger Wabash flag and red & white MP “buzz-saw” emblem to the right of the door, which ART’s 40’ reefers received, would have all fit on these 200-299 series cars of shorter overall length.

Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins








Re: Oregon short line stock cars

Ray Breyer
 

>>Seeking any images or confirmation that 36 ‘ stock cars existed in the 1930/40 time period 
>>Brad Andonian 


Just crack open a few ORERS, and you'll have all the evidence you'll ever need.

12/1930 ORER:
OSL - 2887
OWR&N - 544
LA&SL - 191
UP - 2733
(100% of the stock car fleet were under 40' long)

1/1945 ORER:
OSL - 2034 (and 370 40-foot)
OWR&N - 464
LA&SL - 142
UP - 2287 (and 556 40-foot)
(84% of the stock fleet were short cars)

1/1955 ORER:
OSL 6 (and 334 40-foot)
OWR&N - 1
UP - 929 (and 2069 40-foot)
(28% of the stock fleet were short cars)

1/1959 ORER:
UP - 840 (and 2683 40-foot)
(24% of the stock car fleet were short cars)


Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


Re: Crappy Job

Alex Huff
 

Look up Milorganite.  It is a processed product of the City of Milwaukee's sewage treatment system.  Sold since 1925.  Popular use is as a bagged fertilizer for lawns and golf courses.  Michigan Northern Railway delivered one MILW 40' boxcar a year to Rockford, MI's golf course.  It was a team track delivery.  No odor.  Empty car was then switched to the loading dock of Wolverine World Wide's leather tanning factory in Rockford.  Loaded with scrap leather trimmings, the car was interchanged to the C&O at Reed City, MI for a carferry move from Ludington, MI to Milwaukee.
Alex Huff

Re: [MFCL] ART #200 - #299 36 ft. reefer

Donald B. Valentine
 

Hello Ed,

    I want to thank you not only for the full information on this ART car, which I had somehow looked right by in my 1931 CarBuilders, but more for the
generosity you have continually provided to those of us with an interest in older rolling stock. From my own research on some subjects I can imagine
the hours u have invested in collecting what you have. I see it as an investment, a great investment in time and effort, which has been such a
precious resource for all of us with whom you have shared it. So thank you once again.

   I do not know where this will lead but am still trying to determine what the cars were that Bill Aldrich remembers so well from his high school days at
the end of WW II when he and his father, a New Haven executive, would often go to a nearby New Haven station to watch at least two of The Four Horseman
roll by in the early evening, the second of which always always had a number of yellow sided reefers with truss rods that were loaded with freshly caught
fish for the markets of New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore and Washington. Bill will be 90 in two weeks and is hopeful that someone will recall whose cars
the were so he can model them correctly. He has been a good friend for many years so I'm doing what I can to assist as he has nothing to do with
computers.

My best to all, Don Valentine

Re: Latest from My Workbench - Tank Cars

s shaffer
 

Nice work on the tank cars Bruce. Your blog mentions using a grit blaster and baking soda to prep the truck side frames for painting.

Does anyone know if baking soda will flow through a Paasche Air Eraser?

Steve Shaffer

Interesting Wording Stenciled On Automobile Boxcar

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo courtesy of Bob McGlone on the Early Rail Group:

 

The stencil reads, "Use Only For Automobile Traffic". These days I take this to mean put all the traffic on the road ahead of me in this boxcar. I wish.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Oregon short line stock cars

Charlie Vlk
 

Brad-

CB&Q SM16 stock cars were 36’ and lasted well into the BN era (not renumbered AFAIK) and even past the movement of livestock being used to carry ties.   I don’t have the stats to back this up but as I recall they were more prevalent on the East End (aka racetrack)  than the 40’ Q stock cars and certainly the stretched Mathers.

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray Breyer via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 9:05 AM
To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io>; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Oregon short line stock cars

 

>>Seeking any images or confirmation that 36 ‘ stock cars existed in the 1930/40 time period 

>>Brad Andonian 


Just crack open a few ORERS, and you'll have all the evidence you'll ever need.


12/1930 ORER:

OSL - 2887

OWR&N - 544

LA&SL - 191

UP - 2733

(100% of the stock car fleet were under 40' long)

 

1/1945 ORER:

OSL - 2034 (and 370 40-foot)

OWR&N - 464

LA&SL - 142

UP - 2287 (and 556 40-foot)

(84% of the stock fleet were short cars)

 

1/1955 ORER:

OSL 6 (and 334 40-foot)

OWR&N - 1

UP - 929 (and 2069 40-foot)

(28% of the stock fleet were short cars)

 

1/1959 ORER:

UP - 840 (and 2683 40-foot)

(24% of the stock car fleet were short cars)

 

 

Ray Breyer

Elgin, IL

Many, Many Pullman Standard Boxcar Builder Photos

Bob Chaparro
 

Many, Many Pullman Standard Boxcar Builder Photos

The Illinois State Library Digital Archives has nearly 300 photos available on this link:

http://www.idaillinois.org/digital/search/searchterm/photograph%20(all%20forms)!boxcar/field/format!all/mode/exact!all/conn/and!all/order/nosort/ad/asc

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Many, Many Pullman Standard Boxcar Builder Photos

gary laakso
 

Bob:  What a great resource!  Thank you very much for sharing.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 11:25 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Many, Many Pullman Standard Boxcar Builder Photos

 

Many, Many Pullman Standard Boxcar Builder Photos

The Illinois State Library Digital Archives has nearly 300 photos available on this link:

http://www.idaillinois.org/digital/search/searchterm/photograph%20(all%20forms)!boxcar/field/format!all/mode/exact!all/conn/and!all/order/nosort/ad/asc

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Many, Many Pullman Standard Boxcar Builder Photos

Bob Chaparro
 

Also, if you substitute the name of another type car in the search box there are other P-S car photos available.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

Re: LifeLike 8000 gallon Tanks

Schuyler Larrabee
 

RTR.  I s’pose I could disassemble the kit to try to get it off.  I may end up buying a couple of kits to get this done.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2019 12:26 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] LifeLike 8000 gallon Tanks

 


is it a kit or RTR?

if a kit, I'd just strip the tank and repaint it. Small amounts of lettering can be
removed easily enough with various techniques, but
CONOCO is a lot to remove and
even if successful the underlying paint may still reveal it as "ghost" lettering.




On 9/4/2019 11:12 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io wrote:

I should have asked this years ago. 

 

I have a couple of these which are lettered CONOCO.  I would very much like to remove the lettering, but I’d also like not to lose the silver paint on the tank, because the scheme I will finish the car with is silver as well, with the same parting lines between the silver and the black frame.

 

However, I have tried everything I know has been recommended for removing lettering, short of my air eraser, to remove the lettering.  Nothing seemed to touch the lettering – or the silver paint, for that matter.

 

I’m reluctant to simply paint over the lettering, as it has some relief from the tank itself, and I’m pretty sure it would easily be visible as a “painted that over, huh?’ model.  Not the desired result.

 

Suggestions?

 

Schuyler

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: LifeLike 8000 gallon Tanks

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I have not, Fenton.  I was really hoping to avoid having to dunk the car in anything, since I’ve generally had success with alcohol or some other solvent using Q-tips.  But evidently that’s not going to work this time.

 

Thanks for the suggestion.  And after reading Tim’s note about getting paint, but not lettering, off with the Accupaint stripper, I’m more inclined to go to Scalecoat’s paint remover.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2019 7:21 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] LifeLike 8000 gallon Tanks

 

Schuyler, have you tried Scalecoat paint remover?  I use it for removing paint and stripping cars.It will take off more than the lettering.

 

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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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