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Re: Oregon short line stock cars
OSL 1926 Freight Car diagrams can be found at https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Union-Pacific-Equip-Diagrams/OSL-1926-Freight-Cars/i-krT4w2W
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2019 12:43 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Oregon short line stock cars
Brad certain roads preferred 36’ cars up to the end of livestock movements. Attached is a spreadsheet I created some time back that shows stockcars for the CNW, CGW, Omaha, & M&StL showing the years 1941, 1943, 1953 and 1960. It includes their length. Noticed the dominance of 36’ cars for the CNW and Omaha roads. I think you will see similar preference for 36’ cars on the CB&Q and MILW. As suggested an ORER will quickly show the information you seek. I’m not at home, so not able to access the copies I have.
Attached are a few photos.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brad Andonian via Groups.Io
Seeking any images or confirmation that 36 ‘ stock cars existed in the 1930/40 time period
Many thanks Brad Andonian
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Re: Oregon short line stock cars
William Hirt
To add to Doug's info, this is a roster of CB&Q 36' stock cars as of January 1, 1966. As they were all built in the mid-late 1920s, they existed in the 1939/40 time frame and as Charlie Vlk noted well into the BN era.
On live stock, I recently received my
copy of Santa Fe Livestock Operations by Steve Sandifer. If you
have any interest at all in livestock operations, you want a copy
of this book. Numerous stories and info from the Santa Fe files
that is applicable to a number of railroads modeling stock
operations.
Bill Hirt
On 9/7/2019 12:43 AM, Douglas Harding
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Re: LifeLike 8000 gallon Tanks
I don't dunk. I lay the car on newspaper and paint the paint remover on one side and the ends and let it sit then take it to the deep sink and wash it off. It takes a few times of doing this but I use much less stripper and get better control. I still dunk my donuts however
On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 8:07 PM Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Oregon short line stock cars
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Doug,
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It occurs to me that a preference and survival factor for 36' or 37' foot stock cars might have been to fit existing multiple loading/unloading chutes at major stock yards, packing plants, or railroad-owned rest stations. Rebuilding chutes and pens to fit 40' cars would have been an expense both railroads and customers would have wanted to avoid, particularly in the face of increasing truck competition by the 1950s. After WWII, new or modernized plants might have been designed with 40' cars in mind. Of course some roads had both 37' and 40' cars, and some even longer by the 1950s (B&O, PRR and NKP come to mind). Length may have depended greatly on customer needs, including the type of livestock shipped. The WP dealt with a lot of pig shipments on a fixed route, and double-deck 37' cars worked fine, yet they also had both 37' and 40' single-deck cars chiefly for cattle. It was the 37' double-deck pig cars that lasted the longest. The D&RGW rebuilt 36' boxcars into stock cars up into the war years, but their new/rebuilt post-war cars were 40'. The majority of both lengths were double-decked to carry sheep (especially) or calves, though some classes had lower decks with enough head room for full-grown cows. Yours Aye, Garth Groff
On 9/7/2019 1:43 AM, Douglas Harding
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Re: Oregon short line stock cars
Brad certain roads preferred 36’ cars up to the end of livestock movements. Attached is a spreadsheet I created some time back that shows stockcars for the CNW, CGW, Omaha, & M&StL showing the years 1941, 1943, 1953 and 1960. It includes their length. Noticed the dominance of 36’ cars for the CNW and Omaha roads. I think you will see similar preference for 36’ cars on the CB&Q and MILW. As suggested an ORER will quickly show the information you seek. I’m not at home, so not able to access the copies I have.
Attached are a few photos.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brad Andonian via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2019 11:06 PM To: STMFC Subject: [RealSTMFC] Oregon short line stock cars
Seeking any images or confirmation that 36 ‘ stock cars existed in the 1930/40 time period
Many thanks Brad Andonian
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Re: Crappy Job
Manure was a commodity that could be sold. The most common use was as fertilizer. You can buy bags of it today at home centers. Every stockyard, sale barn, feed lot, and slaughter house had to have a plan for dealing with the manure that accumulated from handling livestock. Large stockyards had carts or wagons with work crews who picked it up every day. If not sold locally it was loaded into gons and shipped somewhere. Sometimes it was placed in large bags for shipment. Thus railroads handled gons and boxcars loaded with the stuff. Farmers and gardeners put it on their fields and gardens. Horse manure is favored because of the large amount of straw and hay often mixed in with the manure.
I have additional photos of manure and freight cars.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
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Re: Oregon short line stock cars
Allan Smith
Oregon Short Line 36' Stock Cars I have a file Diagrams Union Pacific Freight Cars 1926 Oregon Short Line Folio 1500 That has diagrams of the S-30 36' OSL stock Cars. I got it off the internet But can't now access it. If anyone can find that file, it will give you the drawings for the cars you requested. Al Smith Sonora CA
On Friday, September 6, 2019, 10:59:12 AM PDT, Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:
Brad- CB&Q SM16 stock cars were 36’ and lasted well into the BN era (not renumbered AFAIK) and even past the movement of livestock being used to carry ties. I don’t have the stats to back this up but as I recall they were more prevalent on the East End (aka racetrack) than the 40’ Q stock cars and certainly the stretched Mathers. Charlie Vlk
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray Breyer via Groups.Io
>>Seeking any images or confirmation that 36 ‘ stock cars existed in the 1930/40 time period >>Brad Andonian
OSL - 2887 OWR&N - 544 LA&SL - 191 UP - 2733 (100% of the stock car fleet were under 40' long)
1/1945 ORER: OSL - 2034 (and 370 40-foot) OWR&N - 464 LA&SL - 142 UP - 2287 (and 556 40-foot) (84% of the stock fleet were short cars)
1/1955 ORER: OSL 6 (and 334 40-foot) OWR&N - 1 UP - 929 (and 2069 40-foot) (28% of the stock fleet were short cars)
1/1959 ORER: UP - 840 (and 2683 40-foot) (24% of the stock car fleet were short cars)
Ray Breyer Elgin, IL
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Re: LifeLike 8000 gallon Tanks
Or Solvaset on a piece of paper towel left overnight on the lettering. Follow up with grit blasting. And repaint.
On 9/6/2019 7:52 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io wrote:
RTR. I s’pose I could disassemble the kit to try to get it off. I may end up buying a couple of kits to get this done.
-- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Many, Many Pullman Standard Boxcar Builder Photos
Use the Advanced Search box at the upper right.
Mark Vinski
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Re: Many, Many Pullman Standard Boxcar Builder Photos
Charles Harris
Hi
I have tried to change the description to tank car etc but it wont work. Just goes to Photographs! How do you change? Thanks
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Re: LifeLike 8000 gallon Tanks
Schuyler Larrabee
I have not, Fenton. I was really hoping to avoid having to dunk the car in anything, since I’ve generally had success with alcohol or some other solvent using Q-tips. But evidently that’s not going to work this time.
Thanks for the suggestion. And after reading Tim’s note about getting paint, but not lettering, off with the Accupaint stripper, I’m more inclined to go to Scalecoat’s paint remover.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Schuyler, have you tried Scalecoat paint remover? I use it for removing paint and stripping cars.It will take off more than the lettering.
-- Fenton Wells Pinehurst NC 28374
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Re: LifeLike 8000 gallon Tanks
Schuyler Larrabee
RTR. I s’pose I could disassemble the kit to try to get it off. I may end up buying a couple of kits to get this done.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2019 12:26 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] LifeLike 8000 gallon Tanks
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Re: Many, Many Pullman Standard Boxcar Builder Photos
Also, if you substitute the name of another type car in the search box there are other P-S car photos available.
Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Many, Many Pullman Standard Boxcar Builder Photos
gary laakso
Bob: What a great resource! Thank you very much for sharing.
Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Many, Many Pullman Standard Boxcar Builder Photos The Illinois State Library Digital Archives has nearly 300 photos available on this link: Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Many, Many Pullman Standard Boxcar Builder Photos
Many, Many Pullman Standard Boxcar Builder Photos The Illinois State Library Digital Archives has nearly 300 photos available on this link: Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Oregon short line stock cars
Charlie Vlk
Brad- CB&Q SM16 stock cars were 36’ and lasted well into the BN era (not renumbered AFAIK) and even past the movement of livestock being used to carry ties. I don’t have the stats to back this up but as I recall they were more prevalent on the East End (aka racetrack) than the 40’ Q stock cars and certainly the stretched Mathers. Charlie Vlk
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ray Breyer via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 9:05 AM To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io>; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Oregon short line stock cars
>>Seeking any images or confirmation that 36 ‘ stock cars existed in the 1930/40 time period >>Brad Andonian
OSL - 2887 OWR&N - 544 LA&SL - 191 UP - 2733 (100% of the stock car fleet were under 40' long)
1/1945 ORER: OSL - 2034 (and 370 40-foot) OWR&N - 464 LA&SL - 142 UP - 2287 (and 556 40-foot) (84% of the stock fleet were short cars)
1/1955 ORER: OSL 6 (and 334 40-foot) OWR&N - 1 UP - 929 (and 2069 40-foot) (28% of the stock fleet were short cars)
1/1959 ORER: UP - 840 (and 2683 40-foot) (24% of the stock car fleet were short cars)
Ray Breyer Elgin, IL
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Interesting Wording Stenciled On Automobile Boxcar
Photo courtesy of Bob McGlone on the Early Rail Group:
The stencil reads, "Use Only For Automobile Traffic". These days I take this to mean put all the traffic on the road ahead of me in this boxcar. I wish. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Latest from My Workbench - Tank Cars
s shaffer
Nice work on the tank cars Bruce. Your blog mentions using a grit blaster and baking soda to prep the truck side frames for painting.
Does anyone know if baking soda will flow through a Paasche Air Eraser? Steve Shaffer
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Re: [MFCL] ART #200 - #299 36 ft. reefer
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
Hello Ed, I want to thank you not only for the full information on this ART car, which I had somehow looked right by in my 1931 CarBuilders, but more for the generosity you have continually provided to those of us with an interest in older rolling stock. From my own research on some subjects I can imagine the hours u have invested in collecting what you have. I see it as an investment, a great investment in time and effort, which has been such a precious resource for all of us with whom you have shared it. So thank you once again. I do not know where this will lead but am still trying to determine what the cars were that Bill Aldrich remembers so well from his high school days at the end of WW II when he and his father, a New Haven executive, would often go to a nearby New Haven station to watch at least two of The Four Horseman roll by in the early evening, the second of which always always had a number of yellow sided reefers with truss rods that were loaded with freshly caught fish for the markets of New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore and Washington. Bill will be 90 in two weeks and is hopeful that someone will recall whose cars the were so he can model them correctly. He has been a good friend for many years so I'm doing what I can to assist as he has nothing to do with computers. My best to all, Don Valentine
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Re: Crappy Job
Alex Huff
Look up Milorganite. It is a processed product of the City of Milwaukee's sewage treatment system. Sold since 1925. Popular use is as a bagged fertilizer for lawns and golf courses. Michigan Northern Railway delivered one MILW 40' boxcar a year to Rockford, MI's golf course. It was a team track delivery. No odor. Empty car was then switched to the loading dock of Wolverine World Wide's leather tanning factory in Rockford. Loaded with scrap leather trimmings, the car was interchanged to the C&O at Reed City, MI for a carferry move from Ludington, MI to Milwaukee.
Alex Huff
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