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Re: Crappy Job

James SANDIFER
 

Santa Fe had a contract with a Manure Pulverizing company to process the waste from it big Morris Feed Lot. Ultimately it became fertilizer. The same was true for dirty stock car bedding.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2019 9:45 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Crappy Job

 

On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 06:55 PM, Doc Bond wrote:

Why would anyone want to ship a load of manure?

Hey, for a while in the seventies or eighties the City of Chicago was shipping dried sewage treatment plant solids downstate for use as fertilizer... until it was discovered that the solids were rich in heavy metals, which were being taken up by the crops and entering our food chain. I recall the movement on the Illinois Central was known informally as the "ICBM".

Dennis Storzek


Re: C&O Lake Michigan Ferries, was Crappy Job

Don Burn
 

The SS Badger is still running just not carrying freight cars, see https://www.ssbadger.com/about/history/

Don Burn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2019 8:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O Lake Michigan Ferries, was Crappy Job

I rode one of the C&O ferries from Manitowoc to Ludington in Aug. 1978 and got the shock of my life to watch a Milw.
switcher put three 6,000 gal. GPEX milk cars then leased to Richter Vinegar on the ferry. These were the last such I

saw in revenue service. One was subsequently pulled off to be placed on a lter ferry to provide more room for the number of automobiles waiting, presumably at a more profitable rate. Sorry it's not our time frame but what ever happened to the car ferries after service was suspended? Sold for similar service elsewhere?

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: C&O Lake Michigan Ferries, was Crappy Job

Donald B. Valentine
 

    I rode one of the C&O ferries from Manitowoc to Ludington in Aug. 1978 and got the shock of my life to watch a Milw.
switcher put three 6,000 gal. GPEX milk cars then leased to Richter Vinegar on the ferry. These were the last such I
saw in revenue service. One was subsequently pulled off to be placed on a lter ferry to provide more room for the number
of automobiles waiting, presumably at a more profitable rate. Sorry it's not our time frame but what ever happened to the
car ferries after service was suspended? Sold for similar service elsewhere?

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Express reefers?

Tony Thompson
 

Richard Townsend wrote:

Tony got auto-corrected. He wrote “precooled “ and it was changed to “precooked “ by big brother. 

  Right you are, Richard, and thanks. Obviously I didn't notice. Usually I watch more carefully for that stuff!!

Tony Thompson




Re: Express reefers?

Richard Townsend
 

Tony got auto-corrected. He wrote “precooled “ and it was changed to “precooked “ by big brother. 


On Sep 9, 2019, at 7:36 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi Dennis and List Members,
 
I don't know if the bags are salt, nor do I know what fruits or veggies used brine, but the caption information I recorded for this image is as follows:
 
"Loading strawberries into refrigerated railroad cars Ponchatoula LA"
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2019 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Express reefers?

Is that salt bags on the roofs? What fruit or veggie used brine?

Dennis Storzek


Re: Express reefers?

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Dennis and List Members,
 
I don't know if the bags are salt, nor do I know what fruits or veggies used brine, but the caption information I recorded for this image is as follows:
 
"Loading strawberries into refrigerated railroad cars Ponchatoula LA"
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2019 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Express reefers?

Is that salt bags on the roofs? What fruit or veggie used brine?

Dennis Storzek


Re: Express reefers?

Tony Thompson
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:

Is that salt bags on the roofs? What fruit or veggie used brine?

      Certainly not brine (unless the veggies were frozen), but 3 to 5 percent salt would really hasten cooling, a good idea for a warm load. Once most produce shippers had their own precooking, salt addition wasn't done very often, as loads weren't usually warm on departure any more. That was the case after about 1950.

Tony Thompson




Re: Express reefers?

Dennis Storzek
 

Is that salt bags on the roofs? What fruit or veggie used brine?

Dennis Storzek


Re: Express reefers?

Tim O'Connor
 


Yes many times during harvests of ripe fruit crops. Continued into the late 1950s.


On 9/9/2019 11:21 AM, Matthew Hurst wrote:
Well Bob.....

Where do you model , what do you model and when?  The answer to these questions would help in narrowing it down.

Matthew  

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 11:19 AM Bob Werre <bob@...> wrote:

I am seldom a poster here but I learn so much.  I have a question regarding express reefers that I hope is allowed on this list.  I have too many of them for the size of my layout.  Is there evidence of express trains running several at one time?  I need to justify running a short string of them as part of a harvest rush.

Bob Werre


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Bondic

John Sykes III
 

I have.  It works well, however, the glue must be visible to the UV laser LED or it won't bond.  Also you must hold the parts in alignment while you zap it, an extra hand would be helpful, but I only have two.  If you are using a strong fluorescent light (lotsa UV), it can trigger the curing process prematurely.

-- John

Fun & games -- aim their UV laser at a white LED and it will cause the phosphors to fluoresce.


Bondic

Jared Harper
 

Anyone tried the new glue Bondic advertised on You Tube?

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: Express reefers?

Lloyd Keyser
 

The C&NW would run solid express reefer trains as required off the UP connection in Omaha. These trains were known to run upwards of 15 to 20 cars and pulled by the big Hudson's at passenger train speed. In general they called them cherry trains. One is shown East bound on the Linn County cut off on the south side of Cedar Rapids, IA. on page 20 of Chicago and North Western In Color Volume I. After arriving in Chicago the train was immediately broken up for the eastern roads.   Lloyd Keyser


On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 11:20 AM C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:
Express reefers have been known to run in freight trains, sometimes when returning empty, so my opinion is that they are fair game for STMFC. Other opinions may vary.

Jack Wyatt

On Monday, September 9, 2019, 11:19:04 AM EDT, Bob Werre <bob@...> wrote:


I am seldom a poster here but I learn so much.  I have a question regarding express reefers that I hope is allowed on this list.  I have too many of them for the size of my layout.  Is there evidence of express trains running several at one time?  I need to justify running a short string of them as part of a harvest rush.

Bob Werre


Re: Express reefers?

npin53
 
Edited

The NP ran cherry trains as a second section of the Eastbound Alaskan. A Pacific, a string of NRC express reefers, and caboose. Up to 8-9 reefers.


Re: Express reefers?

C J Wyatt
 

Express reefers have been known to run in freight trains, sometimes when returning empty, so my opinion is that they are fair game for STMFC. Other opinions may vary.

Jack Wyatt

On Monday, September 9, 2019, 11:19:04 AM EDT, Bob Werre <bob@...> wrote:


I am seldom a poster here but I learn so much.  I have a question regarding express reefers that I hope is allowed on this list.  I have too many of them for the size of my layout.  Is there evidence of express trains running several at one time?  I need to justify running a short string of them as part of a harvest rush.

Bob Werre


Re: Express reefers?

Benjamin Hom
 

Bob Werre asked:
"I have a question regarding express reefers that I hope is allowed on this list.  I have too many of them for the size of my layout.  Is there evidence of express trains running several at one time?  I need to justify running a short string of them as part of a harvest rush."

The answer is yes (examination of photos PRR mail and express trains often turn up multiple Class R50B and toher express reefers), but your question casts an extremely wide net.  We need more information about your layout concept.  Main or branch?  "Too many" express reefers for originating traffic, or do you run bridge traffic, including dedicated mail and express?  What part of the year?  Remember that express reefers were used for time-critical shipments, so items such as medicine, the first harvest of higher value produce such as berries, flowers, etc..


Ben Hom


Re: Express reefers?

Robert J Miller CFA
 

The Santa Fe would run multiple express reefers in the Fast Mail for fresh fruit, e.g. strawberries. That would have ended in the 1960’s, maybe even the late 50’s as that traffic shifted to trucks.

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matthew Hurst
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 11:21 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Express reefers?

 

Well Bob.....

 

Where do you model , what do you model and when?  The answer to these questions would help in narrowing it down.

 

Matthew  

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 11:19 AM Bob Werre <bob@...> wrote:

I am seldom a poster here but I learn so much.  I have a question regarding express reefers that I hope is allowed on this list.  I have too many of them for the size of my layout.  Is there evidence of express trains running several at one time?  I need to justify running a short string of them as part of a harvest rush.

Bob Werre


Re: Express reefers?

Matthew Hurst
 

Well Bob.....

Where do you model , what do you model and when?  The answer to these questions would help in narrowing it down.

Matthew  


On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 11:19 AM Bob Werre <bob@...> wrote:

I am seldom a poster here but I learn so much.  I have a question regarding express reefers that I hope is allowed on this list.  I have too many of them for the size of my layout.  Is there evidence of express trains running several at one time?  I need to justify running a short string of them as part of a harvest rush.

Bob Werre


Express reefers?

Bob Werre
 

I am seldom a poster here but I learn so much.  I have a question regarding express reefers that I hope is allowed on this list.  I have too many of them for the size of my layout.  Is there evidence of express trains running several at one time?  I need to justify running a short string of them as part of a harvest rush.

Bob Werre


Re: Crappy Job

Doug Polinder
 

Alex, thanks for this amazing anecdote.  I rode a Michigan Northern excursion in 1983 from Rockford to Cedar Springs.  Also rode the C&O car ferry to Kewaunee (or maybe Manitowoc? don't remember) in 1984.  What do you suppose the destination of the scrap leather was in Milwaukee?  Did the load also come via the C&O car ferry and interchange at Reed City?  Another potential routing was the Grand Trunk car ferry and then interchange at Grand Rapids to the MIGN.

The Michigan rail network has been pretty well decimated since that time.  The tracks from Grand Rapids through Rockford to Cadillac (ex GR&I, ex-PRR, ex-PC, ex-CR [?], ex-MIGN) have been gone since the mid-1980s, as have the line to Ludington, the car-ferry service, and much other C&O (ex-PM) trackage, as well as most of the Ann Arbor, etc., etc.

Doug Polinder
Poquoson VA


Re: Rapido USRA box--order deadline tomorrow

Bill Welch
 

Be aware that the TH&B cars acquired from the NYC and rebuilt in 1943 had their doors and associated hardware replaced with doors and hardware similar if not identical to those on 50-ton USRA SS cars. Not sure if Rapido cars model this change.

Bill Welch