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Re: Express reefers?

Tony Thompson
 

Richard Townsend wrote:

Tony got auto-corrected. He wrote “precooled “ and it was changed to “precooked “ by big brother. 

  Right you are, Richard, and thanks. Obviously I didn't notice. Usually I watch more carefully for that stuff!!

Tony Thompson



Re: C&O Lake Michigan Ferries, was Crappy Job

Donald B. Valentine
 

    I rode one of the C&O ferries from Manitowoc to Ludington in Aug. 1978 and got the shock of my life to watch a Milw.
switcher put three 6,000 gal. GPEX milk cars then leased to Richter Vinegar on the ferry. These were the last such I
saw in revenue service. One was subsequently pulled off to be placed on a lter ferry to provide more room for the number
of automobiles waiting, presumably at a more profitable rate. Sorry it's not our time frame but what ever happened to the
car ferries after service was suspended? Sold for similar service elsewhere?

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: C&O Lake Michigan Ferries, was Crappy Job

Don Burn
 

The SS Badger is still running just not carrying freight cars, see https://www.ssbadger.com/about/history/

Don Burn

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2019 8:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O Lake Michigan Ferries, was Crappy Job

I rode one of the C&O ferries from Manitowoc to Ludington in Aug. 1978 and got the shock of my life to watch a Milw.
switcher put three 6,000 gal. GPEX milk cars then leased to Richter Vinegar on the ferry. These were the last such I

saw in revenue service. One was subsequently pulled off to be placed on a lter ferry to provide more room for the number of automobiles waiting, presumably at a more profitable rate. Sorry it's not our time frame but what ever happened to the car ferries after service was suspended? Sold for similar service elsewhere?

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Crappy Job

James SANDIFER
 

Santa Fe had a contract with a Manure Pulverizing company to process the waste from it big Morris Feed Lot. Ultimately it became fertilizer. The same was true for dirty stock car bedding.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2019 9:45 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Crappy Job

 

On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 06:55 PM, Doc Bond wrote:

Why would anyone want to ship a load of manure?

Hey, for a while in the seventies or eighties the City of Chicago was shipping dried sewage treatment plant solids downstate for use as fertilizer... until it was discovered that the solids were rich in heavy metals, which were being taken up by the crops and entering our food chain. I recall the movement on the Illinois Central was known informally as the "ICBM".

Dennis Storzek

Re: C&O Lake Michigan Ferries, was Crappy Job

John
 

The City of Midland 41 was cut down to a barge and still operates as the Pere Marquette 41. I saw it with the tug Undaunted off South Manitou island in Lake Michigan two weeks ago.

John Bopp
Farmington Hills, MI

Re: LifeLike 8000 gallon Tanks

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Technique noted, thanks.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2019 6:51 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] LifeLike 8000 gallon Tanks

 

I don't dunk.  I lay the car on newspaper and paint the paint remover on one side and the ends and let it sit then take it to the deep sink and wash it off.  It takes a few times of doing this but I use much less stripper and get better control.

I still dunk my donuts however

 

On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 8:07 PM Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

I have not, Fenton.  I was really hoping to avoid having to dunk the car in anything, since I’ve generally had success with alcohol or some other solvent using Q-tips.  But evidently that’s not going to work this time.

 

Thanks for the suggestion.  And after reading Tim’s note about getting paint, but not lettering, off with the Accupaint stripper, I’m more inclined to go to Scalecoat’s paint remover.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2019 7:21 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] LifeLike 8000 gallon Tanks

 

Schuyler, have you tried Scalecoat paint remover?  I use it for removing paint and stripping cars.It will take off more than the lettering.

 

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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd

Pinehurst NC 28374
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Re: Express reefers?

James SANDIFER
 

Actual consists, Santa Fe Fast Mail

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Werre
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 10:19 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Express reefers?

 

I am seldom a poster here but I learn so much.  I have a question regarding express reefers that I hope is allowed on this list.  I have too many of them for the size of my layout.  Is there evidence of express trains running several at one time?  I need to justify running a short string of them as part of a harvest rush.

Bob Werre

Re: C&O Lake Michigan Ferries, was Crappy Job

Dennis Storzek
 

And I believe the Spartan is tied up in Luddington, a spare parts source for the Badger.

Dennis Storzek

Re: C&O Lake Michigan Ferries, was Crappy Job

Thomas Evans
 

I had the great good fortune to sail on the City Of Milwaukee across Lake Michigan late in her carrier when she was the Ann Arbor spare boat - filled with freight cars & a few large trucks with my little VW tucked in behind.
She was an oil-burning steamer with reciprocating engines.  I got to go below & watch the engines work.  She was not in the best of shape with steam leaks & rod knocks, but she was beautiful.
It was a great experience!!

Tom

Re: Lime Unloading IC/LTRR Gondola

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I note that the load in the gon pretty closely resembles the plastic load that, I think, Athearn offers.  Same sort of undulating surface.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2019 1:22 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Lime Unloading IC/LTRR Gondola

 

A Lake Terminal mill gondola pressed into bulk material service. Interesting. F&C produces an HO scale resin kit for this gondola. A few lettering styles are available, including this one. 

 

While bulk loads in a mill gon are not typical, they have occurred. I one found a photo of a 61-foot Western Maryland mill gon loaded with coal. 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


On Sep 8, 2019, at 12:15 PM, Matt Smith <flyn96@...> wrote:

Lime unloading from gondolas.

Another great images from the IDA Pantagraph Collection 
http://www.idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll35/id/32654/rec/286

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Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL

Re: Helped needed with reefer identification

Randy Hammill
 

They were almost certainly FGEX consortium cars, whose truss rod cars ran into the 50s. In 1948 they comprised almost 12% of FGEX, more than 41% of WFEX, and over 10% of BREX, or more than 21% of their combine fleet. By ‘53 it was less than 3%.

 

Sunshine and Resin Car Works have released some models, and I posted how I plan to model them here:

 

http://blog.newbritainstation.com/2018/12/fgexbrexwfex-truss-rod-reefers.html?m=1

 

And here:

 

http://blog.newbritainstation.com/2018/12/fgexbrexwfex-reefers-continued.html?m=1

 

There is an excellent article by Bill Welch in Prototype Railroad Modeling Journal Vol 2 by available from Speedwitch Media:

 

http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/prototype-railroad-modeling-volume-two/

They wouldn’t have had the heralds, but without seeing the photo I can’t help there. I would guess there were two different types of cars being remembered, the FGEX consortium truss rod cars and PFE cars with the heralds. 

 

Randy

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Randy Hammill
Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
http://newbritainstation.com

Locomotive upgrade

Eric Hansmann
 

Frank Hodina had time recently to tinker with a locomotive on the workbench. A few simple upgrades have brought a classic model back to life and ready to haul freight cars around the layout. It's the latest on the Resin Car Works blog.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/illinois-terminal-class-d-drive/



Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy

Re: Lime Unloading IC/LTRR Gondola

Schleigh Mike
 

Schuyler and Group, Good Morning!

Agricultural lime is just like fine sand, easy to model with a number of mediums.

Mike Schleigh in Grove City, PA

On Monday, September 9, 2019, 11:34:53 PM EDT, Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:


I note that the load in the gon pretty closely resembles the plastic load that, I think, Athearn offers.  Same sort of undulating surface.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2019 1:22 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Lime Unloading IC/LTRR Gondola

 

A Lake Terminal mill gondola pressed into bulk material service. Interesting. F&C produces an HO scale resin kit for this gondola. A few lettering styles are available, including this one. 

 

While bulk loads in a mill gon are not typical, they have occurred. I one found a photo of a 61-foot Western Maryland mill gon loaded with coal. 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


On Sep 8, 2019, at 12:15 PM, Matt Smith <flyn96@...> wrote:

Lime unloading from gondolas.

Another great images from the IDA Pantagraph Collection 
http://www.idaillinois.org/digital/collection/p16614coll35/id/32654/rec/286

--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL

Re: Express reefers?

Alex Huff
 

Hammond, LA, on the IC main line, was another loading station for strawberries.  The reefers were pre-cooled, having been iced at the division point and shops at McComb, MS.  Destined mostly for the Chicago market, I was told the berries were picked in the morning and loaded into cars by late morning. The berries were inspected by buyers as the cars were loaded and sold at auction.  Once sold, the carloads moved in special trains, known locally as "Crimson Flyers" at passenger train speeds.  The Hammond chapter of the NRHS newsletter is titled "Crimson Flyer".
Alex Huff 

Re: Express reefers?

Douglas Harding
 

Attached is a listing of temperatures required for shipping various kinds of fruits and vegetables. Note that Strawberries, among many others, are to be kept at 32. A small application of salt would keep the temp in the car at the required level.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 6:10 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Express reefers?

 

Is that salt bags on the roofs? What fruit or veggie used brine?

Dennis Storzek

Re: Express reefers?

Tony Thompson
 

Alex Huff wrote:

Hammond, LA, on the IC main line, was another loading station for strawberries.  The reefers were pre-cooled, having been iced at the division point and shops at McComb, MS.  

    If you want to use the tariff language, common to railroaders and shippers alike, the reefers would be pre-iced and the LOAD could be pre-cooled, not vice versa.

Tony Thompson



Re: Express reefers?

Dennis Storzek
 

So, since we are seeing bagged salt at the loading point, I take the reefers were pre-iced without salt, and the salt added at time of loading to drive the temperature lower to more quickly pull the heat out of the load?

Dennis Storzek

Re: Express reefers?

Tony Thompson
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:

So, since we are seeing bagged salt at the loading point, I take the reefers were pre-iced without salt, and the salt added at time of loading to drive the temperature lower to more quickly pull the heat out of the load?

     Yes, that is what was recommended. Some shippers wanted salt in pre-icing as well, to get even colder air in the car, but the car standing for perhaps two hours with doors wide open for loading kind of wasted that salt. (The shipper was charged for it, of course.)

Tony Thompson



Paging Jim Singer

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I am looking to reach Jim Singer and don't believe he does much email.  Could someone share, privately, his phone number?
 
Use the Reply to Sender link or contact me directly as shile AT mindspring DOT com (replacing, well, you know...)
 
Thanks,
Steve Hile

Re: Express reefers?

ed_mines
 

Yes, during the late steam era there were entire trains of express reefers on railroads in the anthracite region going to New York City, frequently ending with a coach or even several passenger cars.

The book Erie Power shows a train with many identical PFE express reefers hauling cherries.

LV would run blocks of express reefers in mixed trains