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Re: Express reefers?
Tony Thompson
Dennis Storzek wrote: So, since we are seeing bagged salt at the loading point, I take the reefers were pre-iced without salt, and the salt added at time of loading to drive the temperature lower to more quickly pull the heat out of the load? Yes, that is what was recommended. Some shippers wanted salt in pre-icing as well, to get even colder air in the car, but the car standing for perhaps two hours with doors wide open for loading kind of wasted that salt. (The shipper was charged for it, of course.) Tony Thompson
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Re: Express reefers?
Dennis Storzek
So, since we are seeing bagged salt at the loading point, I take the reefers were pre-iced without salt, and the salt added at time of loading to drive the temperature lower to more quickly pull the heat out of the load?
Dennis Storzek
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Re: Express reefers?
Tony Thompson
Alex Huff wrote: Hammond, LA, on the IC main line, was another loading station for strawberries. The reefers were pre-cooled, having been iced at the division point and shops at McComb, MS. If you want to use the tariff language, common to railroaders and shippers alike, the reefers would be pre-iced and the LOAD could be pre-cooled, not vice versa. Tony Thompson
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Re: Express reefers?
Douglas Harding
Attached is a listing of temperatures required for shipping various kinds of fruits and vegetables. Note that Strawberries, among many others, are to be kept at 32. A small application of salt would keep the temp in the car at the required level.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Is that salt bags on the roofs? What fruit or veggie used brine?
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Re: Express reefers?
Alex Huff
Hammond, LA, on the IC main line, was another loading station for strawberries. The reefers were pre-cooled, having been iced at the division point and shops at McComb, MS. Destined mostly for the Chicago market, I was told the berries were picked in the morning and loaded into cars by late morning. The berries were inspected by buyers as the cars were loaded and sold at auction. Once sold, the carloads moved in special trains, known locally as "Crimson Flyers" at passenger train speeds. The Hammond chapter of the NRHS newsletter is titled "Crimson Flyer".
Alex Huff
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Re: Lime Unloading IC/LTRR Gondola
Schleigh Mike
Schuyler and Group, Good Morning! Agricultural lime is just like fine sand, easy to model with a number of mediums. Mike Schleigh in Grove City, PA
On Monday, September 9, 2019, 11:34:53 PM EDT, Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:
I note that the load in the gon pretty closely resembles the plastic load that, I think, Athearn offers. Same sort of undulating surface.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
A Lake Terminal mill gondola pressed into bulk material service. Interesting. F&C produces an HO scale resin kit for this gondola. A few lettering styles are available, including this one.
While bulk loads in a mill gon are not typical, they have occurred. I one found a photo of a 61-foot Western Maryland mill gon loaded with coal.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
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Locomotive upgrade
Eric Hansmann
Frank Hodina had time recently to tinker with a locomotive on the workbench. A few simple upgrades have brought a classic model back to life and ready to haul freight cars around the layout. It's the latest on the Resin Car Works blog. http://blog.resincarworks.com/illinois-terminal-class-d-drive/ Eric Hansmann
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Re: Helped needed with reefer identification
Randy Hammill
They were almost certainly FGEX consortium cars, whose truss rod cars ran into the 50s. In 1948 they comprised almost 12% of FGEX, more than 41% of WFEX, and over 10% of BREX, or more than 21% of their combine fleet. By ‘53 it was less than 3%.
Sunshine and Resin Car Works have released some models, and I posted how I plan to model them here:
http://blog.newbritainstation.com/2018/12/fgexbrexwfex-truss-rod-reefers.html?m=1
And here:
http://blog.newbritainstation.com/2018/12/fgexbrexwfex-reefers-continued.html?m=1
There is an excellent article by Bill Welch in Prototype Railroad Modeling Journal Vol 2 by available from Speedwitch Media:
http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/prototype-railroad-modeling-volume-two/
Randy --— Randy Hammill Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954 http://newbritainstation.com
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Re: Lime Unloading IC/LTRR Gondola
Schuyler Larrabee
I note that the load in the gon pretty closely resembles the plastic load that, I think, Athearn offers. Same sort of undulating surface.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2019 1:22 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Lime Unloading IC/LTRR Gondola
A Lake Terminal mill gondola pressed into bulk material service. Interesting. F&C produces an HO scale resin kit for this gondola. A few lettering styles are available, including this one.
While bulk loads in a mill gon are not typical, they have occurred. I one found a photo of a 61-foot Western Maryland mill gon loaded with coal.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
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Re: C&O Lake Michigan Ferries, was Crappy Job
Thomas Evans
I had the great good fortune to sail on the City Of Milwaukee across Lake Michigan late in her carrier when she was the Ann Arbor spare boat - filled with freight cars & a few large trucks with my little VW tucked in behind.
She was an oil-burning steamer with reciprocating engines. I got to go below & watch the engines work. She was not in the best of shape with steam leaks & rod knocks, but she was beautiful. It was a great experience!! Tom
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Re: C&O Lake Michigan Ferries, was Crappy Job
Dennis Storzek
And I believe the Spartan is tied up in Luddington, a spare parts source for the Badger.
Dennis Storzek
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Re: Express reefers?
James SANDIFER
Actual consists, Santa Fe Fast Mail
J. Stephen Sandifer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Werre
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 10:19 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Express reefers?
I am seldom a poster here but I learn so much. I have a question regarding express reefers that I hope is allowed on this list. I have too many of them for the size of my layout. Is there evidence of express trains running several at one time? I need to justify running a short string of them as part of a harvest rush. Bob Werre
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Re: LifeLike 8000 gallon Tanks
Schuyler Larrabee
Technique noted, thanks.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
I don't dunk. I lay the car on newspaper and paint the paint remover on one side and the ends and let it sit then take it to the deep sink and wash it off. It takes a few times of doing this but I use much less stripper and get better control. I still dunk my donuts however
On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 8:07 PM Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
-- Fenton Wells Pinehurst NC 28374
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Re: C&O Lake Michigan Ferries, was Crappy Job
John
The City of Midland 41 was cut down to a barge and still operates as the Pere Marquette 41. I saw it with the tug Undaunted off South Manitou island in Lake Michigan two weeks ago.
John Bopp Farmington Hills, MI
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Re: Crappy Job
James SANDIFER
Santa Fe had a contract with a Manure Pulverizing company to process the waste from it big Morris Feed Lot. Ultimately it became fertilizer. The same was true for dirty stock car bedding.
J. Stephen Sandifer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 06:55 PM, Doc Bond wrote:
Hey, for a while in the seventies or eighties the City of Chicago was shipping dried sewage treatment plant solids downstate for use as fertilizer... until it was discovered that the solids were rich in heavy metals, which were being taken up by the crops and entering our food chain. I recall the movement on the Illinois Central was known informally as the "ICBM".
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Re: C&O Lake Michigan Ferries, was Crappy Job
Don Burn
The SS Badger is still running just not carrying freight cars, see https://www.ssbadger.com/about/history/
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io Sent: Monday, September 09, 2019 8:12 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O Lake Michigan Ferries, was Crappy Job I rode one of the C&O ferries from Manitowoc to Ludington in Aug. 1978 and got the shock of my life to watch a Milw. switcher put three 6,000 gal. GPEX milk cars then leased to Richter Vinegar on the ferry. These were the last such I saw in revenue service. One was subsequently pulled off to be placed on a lter ferry to provide more room for the number of automobiles waiting, presumably at a more profitable rate. Sorry it's not our time frame but what ever happened to the car ferries after service was suspended? Sold for similar service elsewhere? Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: C&O Lake Michigan Ferries, was Crappy Job
Donald B. Valentine
I rode one of the C&O ferries from Manitowoc to Ludington in Aug. 1978 and got the shock of my life to watch a Milw. switcher put three 6,000 gal. GPEX milk cars then leased to Richter Vinegar on the ferry. These were the last such I saw in revenue service. One was subsequently pulled off to be placed on a lter ferry to provide more room for the number of automobiles waiting, presumably at a more profitable rate. Sorry it's not our time frame but what ever happened to the car ferries after service was suspended? Sold for similar service elsewhere? Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: Express reefers?
Tony Thompson
Richard Townsend wrote:
Right you are, Richard, and thanks. Obviously I didn't notice. Usually I watch more carefully for that stuff!! Tony Thompson
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Re: Express reefers?
Richard Townsend
Tony got auto-corrected. He wrote “precooled “ and it was changed to “precooked “ by big brother.
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On Sep 9, 2019, at 7:36 PM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:
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Re: Express reefers?
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
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Hi Dennis and List Members,
I don't know if the bags are salt, nor do I know
what fruits or veggies used brine, but the caption information I recorded for
this image is as follows:
"Loading strawberries into refrigerated railroad
cars Ponchatoula LA"
Claus Schlund
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