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Re: Paging Jim Singer

Greg Martin
 

Steve,

Did you get a hold of Jim?

Greg Martin


Why Yes I have done some modeling...

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In a message dated 9/10/2019 11:42:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, shile@... writes:

I am looking to reach Jim Singer and don't believe he does much email.  Could someone share, privately, his phone number?

Use the Reply to Sender link or contact me directly as shile AT mindspring DOT com (replacing, well, you know...)

Thanks,
Steve Hile

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Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

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Re: Qs Generated by a Shorpy Photo ...

Nelson Moyer
 

Plano offers etched metal running board brackets that you may wish to check out.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert kirkham
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 7:18 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Qs Generated by a Shorpy Photo ...

 

Hi Jim – Tichy makes running board supports.  Part 3081.

 

Rob Kirkham

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Betz
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 4:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Qs Generated by a Shorpy Photo ...

 

Hi,

  So a -major- part of my question is/was "is there a way to get the running 
boards of our models to look like these?".  I'm thinking that maybe you
start by eliminating the plastic version, use actual wood that has been
properly dimensioned (probably have to sand to correct thickness?), and
then 'process' it to warp it like these have warped.  Might have to start
with stock pieces that are much longer than scale, get them to 'wiggle'
then cut to length.  Finally - mix them up so you don't get a lot of boards
that were out of the same piece on the same car.
  Doing the running board supports between the car top and the boards
will be a major PITA (meaning lots of work) since, at least as far as I
know, there aren't any good options for those in either wood or plastic.
Perhaps this is a candidate for 3D printing?
                                                                                  - Jim in Burlington

Re: Qs Generated by a Shorpy Photo ...

Tony Thompson
 

Steve Wintner wrote:

I would hesitate to overdo it. I guess I would attempt building one up using styrene, cut into individual boards. My own attempts at that would inherently  have a bit of wiggle and warpage. Add a bit of paint, one board weathered more than it's neighbor, etc. See how that worked, then give it another shot.

    We can provide the variation in color and texture pretty easily. I have written a couple of blog posts about how I do so. If you're interested, here are a couple of links:



Tony Thompson



Re: Ratios

devansprr
 

Randy, all,

"Understanding your road's traffic is very important" can't be emphasized enough. Bruce mentioned Reading traffic in his PRR area of interest (Columbia, PA, about 20 miles south of Harrisburg on the east side of the Susquehanna river.)

My area of interest is the mainline starting about 30 miles RR west of Columbia. Purchase of several WWII vintage PRR documents on car routing provides some major insights. Yes, for loads, many of us have decided that the distribution of loaded cars can match Bruce's proposed numbers, especially for a mainline functioning as a major US bridge line (as the PRR was between Pittsburgh and east coast destinations, especially during WWII.)

One of the PRR documents I found was specifically on how to route foreign road empties towards their home roads. Keep in mind on the PRR during WWII, there was a tremendous imbalance of loads versus empties. Less than 1% empties EB, 75% empties WB. Ignoring the PRR's large EB coal traffic, 60% of the WB non-hopper cars were empty.

While the 40% of those cars that were loaded might still reflect the national averages, for the empties, there could be significant deviations. Case in point was the NYC - operator of the second largest fleet of box cars. If the yardmaster's followed the PRR guidance, there would be no WB empty NYC cars west of Harrisburg on the PRR mainline. They were sent in a different direction (in fact in central PA, the PRR seems to have enjoyed returning NYC empties to a location on the NYC that was likely very inconvenient for the NYC to deal with ;-)  The NYC cars would still be used for loads, but for WB non-hopper trains, the NYC cars should be under-represented.

The other twist was limitations on car clearances, which in the east were often inadequate for many western RR XM's.  For the PRR, that meant that the taller XM's would be on trains running between Harrisburg and Chicago, since there were clearance limits along the line towards St. Louis. (The PRR booklet lists every single class of XM for every railroad, with notes on where they could, and could not, be routed.)

While not impacting the average distribution of cars flowing across the railroad, it could have significant impact on the consists of individual merchandise trains, just because of their ultimate destination, For example, all the tall XM's (loads and MTY's) on WB trains were routed towards Chicago (for tall cars destined for the SW US, those cars would use a division in Indiana to get back to the line to St. Louis). XM's on the trains headed directly toward St. Louis would be limited to the shorter XM's.  This offers some unique challenges a superintendent may want to impose on their yardmaster when classifying and blocking XM's....

Dave Evans

Paint and decal steps for models

Eric Hansmann
 

Paint, decals, and a gloss coat finish are the latest steps on a couple of box car kits. Those summaries and an RPM reminder are in the latest DesignBuildOp blog post. 

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2019/09/16/gloss-coat-and-rpms/


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

Re: Boston & Albany triple hopper.

Donald B. Valentine
 

Hi folks,
 
     Does anyone have enough familiarity with Boston & Albany triple hoppers to comment on the Marklin B&A hopper 
listed on eBay as Item #372692339988? Not a bad looking car in which I have some interest but don't know Boston & 
 Albany rolling stock well enough to judge its authenticity.

Thanks for any responses, Don Valentine

Re: Boston & Albany triple hopper.

Benjamin Hom
 

Don Valentine asked:
"Does anyone have enough familiarity with Boston & Albany triple hoppers to comment on the Marklin B&A hopper listed on eBay as Item #372692339988? Not a bad looking car in which I have some interest but don't know Boston &  Albany rolling stock well enough to judge its authenticity."
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Marklin-H-O-NYC-R-R-Boston-Albany-Coal-Hopper-Car-from-Set-29571/372692339988 

Complete fantasy.  This is one of the Trix UP hoppers in bogus Boston & Albany paint and lettering.

Boston & Albany had a single series of offset triples - B&A 25000-25499, Lot 597-H, 500 cars built in 1929.  They follow the unique NYCS triple offset design, differing from the later AAR offset triples.  They were painted with fairly austere lettering with no oval.
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/lot-597.jpg 
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/b&a-25144.jpg 

B&A would later acquire NYC 15-post welded triples (as modeled by Stewart/Bowser in HO) during the 1960s after the period covered by this list. 


Ben Hom

covered hopper grays take 2

Eric Mumper
 

Group,

The last email about this subject did not provide a lot of responses which I kind of figured on as it is really obscure.

Let me try this another way:  If you have painted a covered hopper gray from the steam era, please respond with what paint you used and the model it was used on.  Any other information included with the response would be appreciated.

Thank you.

Eric Mumper
eric.mumper@...

Re: covered hopper grays take 2

O Fenton Wells
 

I like SCII primer, then gloss
Fenton

On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 12:03 PM Eric Mumper <eric.mumper@...> wrote:
Group,

The last email about this subject did not provide a lot of responses which I kind of figured on as it is really obscure.

Let me try this another way:  If you have painted a covered hopper gray from the steam era, please respond with what paint you used and the model it was used on.  Any other information included with the response would be appreciated.

Thank you.

Eric Mumper
eric.mumper@...



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Re: Qs Generated by a Shorpy Photo ...(Mixed Material Running Boards)

Bob Chaparro
 

Notice the roof on the reefer in the foreground. It appears running board repairs were done "on the cheap"
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

Re: covered hopper grays take 2

Bill Keene
 

Back in the last century when I was constructing a mid-50s seaport layout, I painted a good number of covered hoppers to serve the cement translating facility at the port. My choice of light grays varied as to what was closest at hand. Sometimes Scalecoat. Sometimes Scalecoat II, Sometimes Folquil. The slight variety of grays when weathered were quite acceptable. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Sep 16, 2019, at 9:03 AM, Eric Mumper <eric.mumper@...> wrote:

Group,

The last email about this subject did not provide a lot of responses which I kind of figured on as it is really obscure.

Let me try this another way:  If you have painted a covered hopper gray from the steam era, please respond with what paint you used and the model it was used on.  Any other information included with the response would be appreciated.

Thank you.

Eric Mumper
eric.mumper@...

Re: Ratios

Armand Premo
 

To carry ratios a bit further would be the ratio of wood to steel freight cars per era one is modeling.Armand Premo

Re: Ratios

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Eric Lombard, Ray Breyer and Larry Ostesh have done a lot of research along these lines with regards to boxcars which can be found in the files section of this list.  Such as
 
 
 
 
Seek and ye shall find...
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Armand Premo
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 12:17 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Ratios

To carry ratios a bit further would be the ratio of wood to steel freight cars per era one is modeling.Armand Premo

Re: Ratios

Brian Carlson
 

The N-G ratios are for fleets of cars they don’t get into the individual makeup of the cars within the fleet numbers.  

I touched on my approach to this aspect back when I did my presentations in 2009-11. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Sep 16, 2019, at 1:37 PM, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

Eric Lombard, Ray Breyer and Larry Ostesh have done a lot of research along these lines with regards to boxcars which can be found in the files section of this list.  Such as
 
 
 
 
Seek and ye shall find...
 
Steve Hile


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Armand Premo
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 12:17 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Ratios

To carry ratios a bit further would be the ratio of wood to steel freight cars per era one is modeling.Armand Premo

Re: covered hopper grays take 2

Rick Jesionowski
 

I used to use Floquil Gray Primer for my covered hoppers, now I alternate between Scalecoat II UP Covered Hopper Gray and Maintenance of Way Gray.

Rick Jeswionowski

Re: covered hopper grays take 2

dale florence <dwwesley@...>
 

I use Spring Mills Depot Gray from the B&O Covered hopper as my base.

Dale Florence










On Monday, September 16, 2019, 02:29:33 PM EDT, Rick Jesionowski via Groups.Io <dti406@...> wrote:


I used to use Floquil Gray Primer for my covered hoppers, now I alternate between Scalecoat II UP Covered Hopper Gray and Maintenance of Way Gray.

Rick Jeswionowski

Re: covered hopper grays

Ed Hawkins
 



On Sep 16, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Eric Mumper <eric.mumper@...> wrote:

The last email about this subject did not provide a lot of responses which I kind of figured on as it is really obscure.

Let me try this another way:  If you have painted a covered hopper gray from the steam era, please respond with what paint you used and the model it was used on.  Any other information included with the response would be appreciated.

Eric,
I don’t know if this will be of any help, but here goes. 

About 30 years ago I obtained permission from ACF to cut slivers from larger paint samples that are glued to the inside covers of bill of materials documents. In the mid-1990s these documents were donated to the Barriger National Railroad Library, part of the St. Louis Mercantile Library on the campus of the University of Missouri-St. Louis, where they are available for viewing. 

I lined up 17 gray paint samples that pertain to 1958 cu. ft. covered hoppers on the scanner glass & scanned using an Epson V100 scanner. The ACF lot number & railroad or company reporting marks are shown. 

While I believe the scanner has done a “credible" job, however, there are some hues that the scanner hasn’t picked up accurately. In particular lot 3376 SSW has a slight olive cast that I don’t see in the scan. The Lot 2963 BM sample appears to my eye as battleship gray, but the scan has a darker hue. I cannot explain the differences in the hues seen in the scan vs. actual. 

There are 8 more paint samples of 1958 cu. ft. cars that I don’t have in my possession, but they are in the bills of materials (the Barriger Library calls them "Lot Books"). These include lots 2430 SHPX (same as lot 2412), 2458 L&N & 2490 NC&StL (same shade of color bordering on olive), 2597 CG, 3102 DPCX, 3143 KSMX, 3302 GM&O, 3475 RI. 

A few more available paint samples include ACF triple covered hoppers lots 2833 SSW, 2841 T&P, 3193 M-I. 

That these same paint samples appear vastly different (much lighter) when taken outside & viewed in natural light, especially in bright sunlight.

Perhaps this will provide at least some idea to the relative differences of light, medium, and dark gray shades as denoted in my RP CYC Vol. 27 captions. All of this, of course, doesn’t taken into account any scale affect that will cause the color used to appear darker on a model. 

Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Re: covered hopper grays

Tom Madden
 

One of my duties at the rapid prototyping (3D printing) company where I spent the last 21 years of my work life was developing pigment and dye recipes so our cast resin parts would match customers' samples. Much of our output was housings for telecommunications or computer equipment. With few exceptions the customers wanted gray, but each wanted theirs to be different from anyone else's gray. We developed over 2200 color recipes, over half of which were various shades of gray ranging from deep charcoal to off-white. The bulk were mid-range grays, many indistinguishable from each other unless compared side by side in strong lighting. And as Ed says, they looked very different depending on the lighting,and also whether they were glossy or matte.

Tom Madden

Re: covered hopper grays

James E Kubanick
 

Back in the 1960's I worked as a color matcher for a major paint supplier, and one of the colors I was asked to match was a gray for Western Maryland covered hoppers.The color standard the WM used for this was a color from the Federal Color Standards book. This was a light gray and, unfortunately I can no longer the Federal color number. .Based on this experience, I suspect that other railroads also used Federal colors as the basis for their freight car colors. So, this may be another source for matching freight car colors and olne I have not seen mentioned on this Group.

I do have a Bowser HO WM covered hopper and the color seems pretty close to the WM color standard in my memory. Also,, remember the paint vehicles used back in the 50's and 60's were not particularly light stable ( Cheap was the name of the game), and colors  often weathered rapidly once exposed to the elements.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV



On Monday, September 16, 2019, 4:09:17 PM EDT, Tom Madden via Groups.Io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:


One of my duties at the rapid prototyping (3D printing) company where I spent the last 21 years of my work life was developing pigment and dye recipes so our cast resin parts would match customers' samples. Much of our output was housings for telecommunications or computer equipment. With few exceptions the customers wanted gray, but each wanted theirs to be different from anyone else's gray. We developed over 2200 color recipes, over half of which were various shades of gray ranging from deep charcoal to off-white. The bulk were mid-range grays, many indistinguishable from each other unless compared side by side in strong lighting. And as Ed says, they looked very different depending on the lighting,and also whether they were glossy or matte.

Tom Madden

Re: covered hopper grays take 2

James E Kubanick
 

I have used a gray called SP Lettering Gray, available from more thane one model paint supplier. This is a mid-tone gray that looks good under a weathering coat of cement color.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV

On Monday, September 16, 2019, 2:51:56 PM EDT, dale florence via Groups.Io <dwwesley@...> wrote:


I use Spring Mills Depot Gray from the B&O Covered hopper as my base.

Dale Florence










On Monday, September 16, 2019, 02:29:33 PM EDT, Rick Jesionowski via Groups.Io <dti406@...> wrote:


I used to use Floquil Gray Primer for my covered hoppers, now I alternate between Scalecoat II UP Covered Hopper Gray and Maintenance of Way Gray.

Rick Jeswionowski