Date   
Re: Standard Car Co.??

Donald B. Valentine
 

Bill Welch wrote:

    "IRC the minimum order is $30 so you may need to recruit some people to fill out your order. This is fun and easy build to get to a GTW car. Richard Hendrickson had an article in RMJ on building one of the cars using a homemade half door before the little kit was available. Black Cat has the correct decal set."


    Or he can just write to me OFF LIST and tell me what he needs. The #1000 1/2 Door Add-On kit is $5.95 but if I know what is
needed from it and what is not I can bulk pack some at a savings for folks as is being done for Jim Six. Just don't expect them
by return mail because, though I don't know what caused it, I'm up to my ears trying to pack orders lately and still maintain a day job.

Cordially, Don Valentine
              New England Rail Service, Inc. of which Standard Car Co. is a division of for freight car parts, or is the fright car.

Re: N. P. Resin WWII Emergency Boxcar Kits Available Again

 

Looks like they are already out of stock. 
--
Ben Sullivan
Brookeville, MD

Re: N&W Boxcar 47302 (Round Roof)

Jesus Pe�a
 

Thanks to all for all of your helpful comments, I own the Sunshine kit and I have yet to choose the slogan and road number for my model


Jesus Peña
Concord, Ca

On Tuesday, September 17, 2019, 3:47:36 PM PDT, James SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:







According to the list given in the Sunshine instructions, the 148912 would have the Chief slogan and the 149512 is “incomplete.”  However, the painting and lettering guide says the 148497 was Grand Canyon in a photo while the Sunshine instructions say it was in Scout slogan. A photo of 148516 and 148533 shows El Capitan while Sunshine says they are Scout. Both could be accurate as when a car was repainted it could have received a different slogan.





J. Stephen Sandifer



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jesus Pe?a via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 4:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W Boxcar 47302 (Round Roof)



James,



Are you also accounting for “Grand Canyon” slogan for the two cars that you listed ?



Thanks



Jesus Peña

Concord, Ca





On Tuesday, September 17, 2019, 2:38 PM, James SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:

According to Richard Hendrickson, Santa Fe applied the Buy War Bonds to about 200 BX-36 box cars at the Argentine shops between September and December of 1942. Then the company decided to do 200 more in early 1943, however only 168 additional ones were done by the end of the year. A memo on March 11, 1947, said to removed that slogan as soon as possible. However, capturing those 368 cars empty heading through Argentine was not an easy task and some may have lasted into the early 1950s  Richard said all were BX-36 (Sunshine to the rescue). In the Santa Fe Painting and Lettering guide he includes all of the numbers for these cars, 148912 or 149512 being the only options I see on his list for this photo.





J. Stephen Sandifer



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of James SANDIFER
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 2:07 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] N&W Boxcar 47302 (Round Roof)



I like the fact that the Santa Fe car still has “Buy War Bonds” on it at this late date.





J. Stephen Sandifer



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Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 12:43 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] N&W Boxcar 47302 (Round Roof)



This photo is from the Norfolk Southern Archive. The Archive is a collection of company photos from Norfolk Southern and its legacy railroads on this website:

https://norfolksouthern.tumblr.com/archive

N&W Boxcar 47302 (Round Roof)

https://norfolksouthern.tumblr.com/post/184106626017/its-tbt-throwback-thursday-nearly-seventy-years

Caption:

"Nearly seventy years ago—on Thursday, September 15, 1949—a Norfolk & Western train made a stop at the Streitmann Biscuit Company near Cincinnati, Ohio.

The bakery produced more than 100 different varieties of crackers and cookies, including honey graham crackers, Opera Crème cookies, and Zesta saltine crackers. By 1951, production amounted to 1,321 carloads of outbound traffic annually, which was either delivered by N&W to its destination or originated on the N&W for delivery by other railroads."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


--
Jesus Peña
Concord,California




--
Jesus Peña
Concord,California

Re: Standard Car Co.??

Bill Welch
 

This little kit is very clever. It includes two versions of the half door, one with the metal brace to match position of the brace on the Accrual door. The second door version has the brace in the correct version for the GTW car which requires removing the brace of the Accrual door and replacing the brace with one that is in the kit. Also included are the correct triangular gusset plates—see Richard's article for prototype photo—and small door hardware parts. Tooling is very fine.

Bill Welch

Re: Standard Car Co.??

O Fenton Wells
 

I agree with Bill, It makes an interesting car and Bill is also correct with the Black Cat decals.  I did this a few years ago.

--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...

Round roof double door boxcar

mopacfirst
 

Following up on the previous thread, I have a W&R brass model of this car, the flush roof 40' double door box.  I saw recently that there are a few custom painted versions on eBay, all painted NP.  I think W&R did a lot of Pacific Northwest stuff, the way Overland did UP stuff, so this makes sense.

My question is, did W&R ever do any other round roof versions? 

Ron Merrick

Re: Round roof double door boxcar

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Ron,
 
W&R did a very nice NP prototype 40' DS truss rod box car with round roof.
But no other version of the car you mentioned, or anything close to that.
 
Greeetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. September 2019 um 14:39 Uhr
Von: "mopacfirst" <ron.merrick@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: [RealSTMFC] Round roof double door boxcar
Following up on the previous thread, I have a W&R brass model of this car, the flush roof 40' double door box.  I saw recently that there are a few custom painted versions on eBay, all painted NP.  I think W&R did a lot of Pacific Northwest stuff, the way Overland did UP stuff, so this makes sense.

My question is, did W&R ever do any other round roof versions? 

Ron Merrick

Re: Round roof double door boxcar

Bruce Smith
 

Johannes,

I believe that you are tripping over some vocabulary.

Round roof - this metal roof section was developed in the 1930s and applied to new steel boxcars that were built in that era to maximize clearance fits. The biggest user was the PRR, as witnessed by their X31, X32 AND X33 series cars. The PRR did apply a few to older cars, such as the X23, to generate the X23B. The DT&I built “clones” of the PRR’s X31B and the Northern Pacific will lease 335 DT&I 40’ dd flush roof cars circa 1961, one year in the future for this list.

Radial roof - this roof section, first built in wood and then metal, describes a gentle arc and was used for many cars, from many roads, beginning in the very early 20th century (or maybe even much earlier… not my area of knowledge). This was a very common roof style on the Northern Pacific and is almost certainly the roof style that you are referring to on this truss rod car (not “round roof”) and definitely NOT referring to the ALL STEEL CAR described in the post to which you were responding.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Sep 18, 2019, at 7:47 AM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:

Hello Ron,
 
W&R did a very nice NP prototype 40' DS truss rod box car with round roof.
But no other version of the car you mentioned, or anything close to that.
 
Greeetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. September 2019 um 14:39 Uhr
Von: "mopacfirst" <ron.merrick@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: [RealSTMFC] Round roof double door boxcar
Following up on the previous thread, I have a W&R brass model of this car, the flush roof 40' double door box.  I saw recently that there are a few custom painted versions on eBay, all painted NP.  I think W&R did a lot of Pacific Northwest stuff, the way Overland did UP stuff, so this makes sense.

My question is, did W&R ever do any other round roof versions? 

Ron Merrick

Re: Round roof double door boxcar

vapeurchapelon
 

Bruce,
 
you are entirely correct. I apologize. I even read and heard of the term radial roof in combination with the NP truss rod car...
Side note, since you mentioned it: -I, too have such a ROUND roof steel double door box car and intended to paint it for DT&I - but this would be wrong in regard to "my" time frame up to 1953?
 
Thanks and greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. September 2019 um 15:00 Uhr
Von: "Bruce Smith" <smithbf@...>
An: "main@realstmfc.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Round roof double door boxcar
Johannes,
 
I believe that you are tripping over some vocabulary.
 
Round roof - this metal roof section was developed in the 1930s and applied to new steel boxcars that were built in that era to maximize clearance fits. The biggest user was the PRR, as witnessed by their X31, X32 AND X33 series cars. The PRR did apply a few to older cars, such as the X23, to generate the X23B. The DT&I built “clones” of the PRR’s X31B and the Northern Pacific will lease 335 DT&I 40’ dd flush roof cars circa 1961, one year in the future for this list.
 
Radial roof - this roof section, first built in wood and then metal, describes a gentle arc and was used for many cars, from many roads, beginning in the very early 20th century (or maybe even much earlier… not my area of knowledge). This was a very common roof style on the Northern Pacific and is almost certainly the roof style that you are referring to on this truss rod car (not “round roof”) and definitely NOT referring to the ALL STEEL CAR described in the post to which you were responding.
 

Regards

Bruce

 

Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

 
 

On Sep 18, 2019, at 7:47 AM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:
 
Hello Ron,
 
W&R did a very nice NP prototype 40' DS truss rod box car with round roof.
But no other version of the car you mentioned, or anything close to that.
 
Greeetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. September 2019 um 14:39 Uhr
Von: "mopacfirst" <ron.merrick@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: [RealSTMFC] Round roof double door boxcar
Following up on the previous thread, I have a W&R brass model of this car, the flush roof 40' double door box.  I saw recently that there are a few custom painted versions on eBay, all painted NP.  I think W&R did a lot of Pacific Northwest stuff, the way Overland did UP stuff, so this makes sense.

My question is, did W&R ever do any other round roof versions? 

Ron Merrick

Re: Round roof double door boxcar

Bruce Smith
 

Johannes,

Why would it we incorrect? DT&I built these cars in the 1930s and leased them to the NP in 1961. So they should most assuredly be present on the DT&I circa 1953.


Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Sep 18, 2019, at 9:18 AM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:

Bruce,
 
you are entirely correct. I apologize. I even read and heard of the term radial roof in combination with the NP truss rod car...
Side note, since you mentioned it: -I, too have such a ROUND roof steel double door box car and intended to paint it for DT&I - but this would be wrong in regard to "my" time frame up to 1953?
 
Thanks and greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

A little update from Yarmouth Model Works

Pierre Oliver
 

https://elgincarshops.blogspot.com/2019/09/and-other-new-kit-for-fall.html

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

Re: Round roof double door boxcar

vapeurchapelon
 

Bruce,
 
it seems that I should take some more english lessons. Understood it just the other way round - that NP leased the cars to DT&I in 1961...
Many thanks for clarification, and again - I apologize.
Plus, I have lots of trouble at the job these days - this may "contribute".
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. September 2019 um 16:23 Uhr
Von: "Bruce Smith" <smithbf@...>
An: "main@realstmfc.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Round roof double door boxcar
Johannes,
 
Why would it we incorrect? DT&I built these cars in the 1930s and leased them to the NP in 1961. So they should most assuredly be present on the DT&I circa 1953.
 
 

Regards

Bruce

 

Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

 
 

On Sep 18, 2019, at 9:18 AM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:
 
Bruce,
 
you are entirely correct. I apologize. I even read and heard of the term radial roof in combination with the NP truss rod car...
Side note, since you mentioned it: -I, too have such a ROUND roof steel double door box car and intended to paint it for DT&I - but this would be wrong in regard to "my" time frame up to 1953?
 
Thanks and greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

Re: Round roof double door boxcar

mopacfirst
 

So a bigger part of this question is about models of round roof boxcars.  I'm excluding the wagon-top, and the Seaboard cars (a Sunshine kit for one of those is coming up soon on my build list), just the genuine inset- and flush-roof styles.

I'm not fond of the Bowser cars, since I tried carving the ladders off of one a few years ago and got halfway through before I gave up.  But I do have several of the Bowser kits still.

Then there's the brass ones that were ok for their time, but are lacking in detail.  I believe those were the Trains inc. (?)  I have one of those, which I'd rather sell than paint, but they made most of the major PRR classes and variants.

The Sunshine kits come up on eBay from time to time.  They're the 10.x series, so among the earlier kits.  I suspect sales of these went through the floor after the Bowser kits were announded, which could be why they come up relatively often for sale.  I would build one or more of these if I thought they were relatively easy to build -- as they should be, since in my opinion the weakest point of early Sunshine kits was the roof, and these appear to have a one-piece roof based on the kit photos in the eBay offerings.  It appears that Sunshine never did an X32.

So if you were me, and only needed a couple of round roof cars, whether PRR or not, which one(s) would you recommend?  Modeling a secondary main line in Kansas, 1960.

Ron Merrick

Re: Round roof double door boxcar

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Ron,

I convinced myself several years ago that not all of the freight cars on my layout need to be detailed to the nth degree, so I do have a few Accurail, MDC and Bowser cars that are fairly accurate to a prototype.  I have weathered these to the point where it is hard to discern the level of detail, so they are acceptable in most people's view.  I have weathered several Bowser 40ft and 50ft round roof boxcars this way, and here is a photo of a Bowser PRR and an MDC/Rounhouse MP 50ft DD boxcar weathered up.

I have also found that, when I'm deep into an operating session, I pay almost no attention to the detailing on the cars I'm handling, since I'm absorbed almost completely in my role in the op session and getting cars moved. The super detail is most valuable when photographing scenes on the layout or individual cars.

Todd Sullivan.

Re: Round roof double door boxcar

O Fenton Wells
 

Todd, Your photos tell a lot, the cars look great and I love the mix of colors in the photo.  Very realistic.
Fenton

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 3:00 PM Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io <sullivant41=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Ron,

I convinced myself several years ago that not all of the freight cars on my layout need to be detailed to the nth degree, so I do have a few Accurail, MDC and Bowser cars that are fairly accurate to a prototype.  I have weathered these to the point where it is hard to discern the level of detail, so they are acceptable in most people's view.  I have weathered several Bowser 40ft and 50ft round roof boxcars this way, and here is a photo of a Bowser PRR and an MDC/Rounhouse MP 50ft DD boxcar weathered up.

I have also found that, when I'm deep into an operating session, I pay almost no attention to the detailing on the cars I'm handling, since I'm absorbed almost completely in my role in the op session and getting cars moved. The super detail is most valuable when photographing scenes on the layout or individual cars.

Todd Sullivan.



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...

Re: Round roof double door boxcar

spsalso
 

You might also consider the old Athearn metal 40' and 50' cars.

No cast on ladders and grabs, there!  My main gripe with them is they don't have the dimple in the roof corner for the grab located there.  I occasionally think of making a form to put inside so I can hammer it in.  But the thought soon passes.



Ed

Edward Sutorik

Pullman Boxcars with "Lollypop Stick Ends"

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

While working through the Pullman photos at the Illinois Digital Archives site ( http://www.idaillinois.org/digital/collection/pshs/search/searchterm/BOXCAR ) I noted that some of the cars from around 1940 had what have been described as "PS-0" ends or "Lollipop Stick" ends (neither term is official, so keep them in quotes). This was a proprietary design used on a few Pullman boxcars cars from the late 1930s to the early 1940s. This led me to search out all the cars with these ends I could find on the site and from my stash of books and articles. I don't guarantee this list is complete. Please note that the additions only show new cars not considered in articles listed earlier, or new owners in a few cases.

PULLMAN BOXCARS WITH SO-CALLED “LOLLIPOP STICK" ENDS FROM ILLINOIS DIGITAL ARCHIVES

B&O 386149 Lot 5673 (50’ DD)
B&O 465000-465899 Lot 5693 (40’ SD)
CGW 52183 Lot 5708 (50’ DD)
PLM X2023 Lot 5615 (40’ SD Demonstrator?)
Seaboard 19000-199499)  Lot 5659 (40’ SD "Turtle-back roof")
Seaboard 11358 Lot 5617 (40’ DD
"Turtle-back roof")
Seaboard 11850 Lot 5702 (40’ DD
"Turtle-back roof")
TC 7901-7995 (40’ SD)
W&LE 24260 (26000-26199, 40’ SD)


ADDITIONAL CARS FROM MODEL RAILROADING FEBRUARY 1987

B&LE 90101-90200 (40’ SD)
CGW 90000-90049 (40’ SD)
PM 84000-84099 (40’ SD), later C&O 284000-284099)
W&LE 24000-24501 (40’ SD, later NKP 20500-20699)


ADDITIONAL CARS FROM RAIL MODEL JOURNAL FEBRUARY 1994

UP 100501 (leased Pullman demo 501), 186000-186024, 186025-186049 (40’ SD)


ADDITIONAL CARS FROM
RAIL MODEL JOURNAL MARCH 2001

CE&I 1-5 (40’ SD, express boxcars)
CGW 91000-91099 (40’ SD)
KCS 25100-25299 (50’ SD)
L&A 36001-36200 (50' SD)


ADDITIONAL CARS FROM FROM RAILROAD PROTOTYPE CYCLOPEDIA V. 31-32

KCS 25000-25049 (?) (50’ SD)
NKP 20000-20099 (40' SD)
RI 149051 (ex-UP 100501, see above)


Also of interest are a demonstrator (or maybe two) and two production lots of AC&F cars with similar ends. Similar, but not quite -- the tips of the wales were sharper and wrapped around the end stamping edges, and the shape was a bit different from the Pullman ends.


AC&F BOXCARS WITH SO-CALLED “STILLETTO" ENDS FROM
RAILROAD PROTOTYPE CYCLOPEDIA V. 31-32

ACFX 30000 (40’ DS, demonstrator)
B&LE 90102-90300 (40’ SD)
NKP 20200-20499 (40’ SD)


For modeling, most of the MODEL RAILROADING articles noted are confusing and where techniques are shown, they are very dated (like using a Roundhouse boxcar as a starting point). The best article was by Stan Rydarowicz in the March 2001 RMJ. Stan offered resin castings of the Pullman ends in a couple of different configurations. Are parts from his masters still available?

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


Re: Round roof double door boxcar

anthony wagner
 

Ron, I too have built PRR X-31s from Bowser kits and the results are actually pretty decent. Not contest quality but quite presentible. The hardest part of redetailing these cars is removing the hand brake rod below the brake step and the diagonal supports for it. Carving off the grab irons with a chisel blade was relatively easy and the roof walk (pardon me - running board) diagonal supports can be clipped off with a side cutter such as Xuron's and smoothed down with a chisel blade. They get replaced with 1x2 Evergreen strip styrene as do the supports under the brake step. For replacing the grab irons I use left over Red Caboose or Intermountain cast grabs from building PRR X-29s. There are enough spares so that you can replace the carved off ones with them.Before installing remove the tiny posts cast on the backs to fit in holes in the Red Caboose cars. The corner roof grabs are Tichy and for the corner support I use a small length of 1x3" styrene whitch when the glue is fully dry can be trimmed with a #11 blade. Once painted it is unnoticeable from 2*3 feet away. The drop grab over the roof indentation under the lateral walks is also Tichy. I also used A Tichy straight grab to replace the cast on grabs in the upper left corner of each end. Polyscale boxcar red is a close match for touching up the wire and styrene additions with a brush. These cars were weathered during their service lives unless they had just come from a complete repaint and any weathering from light to heavy is appropriate. Hope this helps. Tony Wagner 

On Wednesday, September 18, 2019, 12:29:44 PM CDT, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:


So a bigger part of this question is about models of round roof boxcars.  I'm excluding the wagon-top, and the Seaboard cars (a Sunshine kit for one of those is coming up soon on my build list), just the genuine inset- and flush-roof styles.

I'm not fond of the Bowser cars, since I tried carving the ladders off of one a few years ago and got halfway through before I gave up.  But I do have several of the Bowser kits still.

Then there's the brass ones that were ok for their time, but are lacking in detail.  I believe those were the Trains inc. (?)  I have one of those, which I'd rather sell than paint, but they made most of the major PRR classes and variants.

The Sunshine kits come up on eBay from time to time.  They're the 10.x series, so among the earlier kits.  I suspect sales of these went through the floor after the Bowser kits were announded, which could be why they come up relatively often for sale.  I would build one or more of these if I thought they were relatively easy to build -- as they should be, since in my opinion the weakest point of early Sunshine kits was the roof, and these appear to have a one-piece roof based on the kit photos in the eBay offerings.  It appears that Sunshine never did an X32.

So if you were me, and only needed a couple of round roof cars, whether PRR or not, which one(s) would you recommend?  Modeling a secondary main line in Kansas, 1960.

Ron Merrick

Re: Round roof double door boxcar

Bill Welch
 

With patterns by Steve Funaro Central Hobby Supply offered the X31 and X32 but as with Sunshine when Bowser offered them in styrene their sales plummeted and they were dropped. I have built one of my X32 kits for N&W and still in my stash is one destined as a Virginian. When F&C closed it out I stroked Steve and he made a few side/end/roof/underframe casting for me that will get built either for PRR or N&W.

I buiit both Sunshine SD and DD X31 years ago—patterns also by Funaro—and in the last year or so picked up the raised roof version in Gray resin no less. I was never really sure when DT&I introduced their "Compass" scheme but thought what the heck, I did one of the Sunshine kits in that scheme with Champ decals. Still not sure if it really hits my October 1955 modeling date but have abandoned being completely date accurate but with that scheme I think I am very close. The Dreadnaught end pattern is not the best but it will do okay. I have not problem working with resin and all of the kits went together w/o a hitch.

Then enthused by Bruce Smith's X31 clinic at CCB 2019 I bought some undec. Bowser kits. The body is very well tooled despite cast on ladders and grabs. The doors are very well done too I think.

Bill Welch

Re: Pullman Boxcars with "Lollypop Stick Ends"

Douglas Harding
 

Garth, sadly Stan’s parts are no longer available. However the 2017 Chicagoland RPM produced a minikit for a CGW boxcar that included new Pullman-Standard “carbuilders” Corrugated ends. Which I believe are also called the PS-0 ends. The masters for ends were created with 3D printing, then cast in resin. The resin parts were prepared by the folks at Resin Car Works. I don’t know if they are available separately. You will need to check with Resin Car Works.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 5:45 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Pullman Boxcars with "Lollypop Stick Ends"

 

Friends,

While working through the Pullman photos at the Illinois Digital Archives site ( http://www.idaillinois.org/digital/collection/pshs/search/searchterm/BOXCAR ) I noted that some of the cars from around 1940 had what have been described as "PS-0" ends or "Lollipop Stick" ends (neither term is official, so keep them in quotes). This was a proprietary design used on a few Pullman boxcars cars from the late 1930s to the early 1940s. This led me to search out all the cars with these ends I could find on the site and from my stash of books and articles. I don't guarantee this list is complete. Please note that the additions only show new cars not considered in articles listed earlier, or new owners in a few cases.

PULLMAN BOXCARS WITH SO-CALLED “LOLLIPOP STICK" ENDS FROM ILLINOIS DIGITAL ARCHIVES

B&O 386149 Lot 5673 (50’ DD)
B&O 465000-465899 Lot 5693 (40’ SD)
CGW 52183 Lot 5708 (50’ DD)
PLM X2023 Lot 5615 (40’ SD Demonstrator?)
Seaboard 19000-199499)  Lot 5659 (40’ SD "Turtle-back roof")
Seaboard 11358 Lot 5617 (40’ DD "Turtle-back roof")
Seaboard 11850 Lot 5702 (40’ DD "Turtle-back roof")
TC 7901-7995 (40’ SD)
W&LE 24260 (26000-26199, 40’ SD)


ADDITIONAL CARS FROM MODEL RAILROADING FEBRUARY 1987

B&LE 90101-90200 (40’ SD)
CGW 90000-90049 (40’ SD)
PM 84000-84099 (40’ SD), later C&O 284000-284099)
W&LE 24000-24501 (40’ SD, later NKP 20500-20699)


ADDITIONAL CARS FROM RAIL MODEL JOURNAL FEBRUARY 1994

UP 100501 (leased Pullman demo 501), 186000-186024, 186025-186049 (40’ SD)


ADDITIONAL CARS FROM RAIL MODEL JOURNAL MARCH 2001

CE&I 1-5 (40’ SD, express boxcars)
CGW 91000-91099 (40’ SD)
KCS 25100-25299 (50’ SD)
L&A 36001-36200 (50' SD)


ADDITIONAL CARS FROM FROM RAILROAD PROTOTYPE CYCLOPEDIA V. 31-32

KCS 25000-25049 (?) (50’ SD)
NKP 20000-20099 (40' SD)
RI 149051 (ex-UP 100501, see above)


Also of interest are a demonstrator (or maybe two) and two production lots of AC&F cars with similar ends. Similar, but not quite -- the tips of the wales were sharper and wrapped around the end stamping edges, and the shape was a bit different from the Pullman ends.


AC&F BOXCARS WITH SO-CALLED “STILLETTO" ENDS FROM RAILROAD PROTOTYPE CYCLOPEDIA V. 31-32

ACFX 30000 (40’ DS, demonstrator)
B&LE 90102-90300 (40’ SD)
NKP 20200-20499 (40’ SD)


For modeling, most of the MODEL RAILROADING articles noted are confusing and where techniques are shown, they are very dated (like using a Roundhouse boxcar as a starting point). The best article was by Stan Rydarowicz in the March 2001 RMJ. Stan offered resin castings of the Pullman ends in a couple of different configurations. Are parts from his masters still available?

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff